I'm bored let's try a ROY trade

[Blazinaway]

would you guys do Roy and Przy for Vince Carters expiring? He only has a small guarantee for next yr, it works in trade checker. All of a sudden depending on what we do with Camby and Miller we could have some significant capspace.

 

[RR7]

Fucking A. Cap space. Nobody wants to come to Portland. Only trades we'd likely make with it are for someone else's overpaid player. Uhm, a big hell no from me.

 

[HailBlazers]

Now that's what I call giving up something for Nothing!

 

[Blazinaway]

I'm amazed that you guys think just getting an expiring for Roy and Przy (expiring as well) is some awful trade, it isn't, his contract is now one of the worst in the NBA and will hinder us for the next 5 years

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Repost from another thread:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=254jeey

3-way with NY & Denver. Roy to Denver with Wilson Chandler. Carmelo to NY with Miller & Dante. Raymond Felton & Eddy Curry here. Denver probably wouldn't do it, but it's a thought.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm amazed that you guys think just getting an expiring for Roy and Przy (expiring as well) is some awful trade, it isn't, his contract is now one of the worst in the NBA and will hinder us for the next 5 years

Creeping just barely under the cap won't do much for the team. If the team can't get actual on-court value for Roy, I'd rather keep him and see how he adapts to his new physical realities. Even if he comes off the bench, he can provide solid value to the team. Obviously, nothing approaching value for the money paid to him, but non-zero value.

 

[Blazinaway]

Creeping just barely under the cap won't do much for the team. If the team can't get actual on-court value for Roy, I'd rather keep him and see how he adapts to his new physical realities. Even if he comes off the bench, he can provide solid value to the team. Obviously, nothing approaching value for the money paid to him, but non-zero value.

Many would argue the way he's playing and plays with the players we have is "non-zero" as you say. Get rid of nate and make it a clean sweep.

 

[Minstrel]

Many would argue the way he's playing and plays with the players we have is "non-zero" as you say.

Many might argue that. However, he's starting and his best role may be off the bench. Secondly, he's still in the first few weeks of "new Roy." I'd guess it takes longer than that to determine the optimal way for him to play with his new physical situation.

In any case, I don't even agree with people who feel he provides zero value. If he were an unknown making the minimum, people would probably be quite pleased with his output. People are reacting to what he's producing relative to his salary and what he's done in the past. Not to his actual value, if they believe it to be zero.

 

[LittleAlex]

Repost from another thread:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=254jeey

3-way with NY & Denver. Roy to Denver with Wilson Chandler. Carmelo to NY with Miller & Dante. Raymond Felton & Eddy Curry here. Denver probably wouldn't do it, but it's a thought.

You do realize that Portland has some of best food in the country.

Bringing Eddy Curry to Portland would be extremely cruel.



Also, Curry sucks and cap space for Portland is completely wasted.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You do realize that Portland has some of best food in the country.

Bringing Eddy Curry to Portland would be extremely cruel.



Also, Curry sucks and cap space for Portland is completely wasted.

Not about cap space--Curry is just salary filler. More interested in Felton as PGOTF, as well as shedding an albatross contract.

 

[BrianFromWA]

If we were offered Felton and Curry for Roy and Miller, I think you have to do it. Hell, I might throw in one of our firsts.

 

[RR7]

wow

 

[LameR]

...

 

[Blazinaway]

wow

wow what? you think having him and his huge contract for four more years after this is a positive for this franchise? and it's likely his knees will keep deteriorating over the length of that contract. I have no emotional attachment to Roy and am tired of watching this team trying to conform to his style of play, and that style is no longer working because of his diminished play, I say move on if at all possible. Unfortunately trading Roy is likely a pipe dream as other GM's won't touch that albatross of a contract.

 

[RR7]

No. I'm actually hoping to just continue to rebuild. Over and over. It's fun.

 

[BrianFromWA]

please. Portland teams have "rebuilt" once in 30 years. And that was going decently until they hitched their wagon to Roy and LMA for near-max contracts.

You know what's "fun"? Year after year of first-round playoff exits. 18 combined series wins in 28 playoff appearances in 40 years. 1 championship.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Doing something fairly realistic.... That to me means trading Roy to a team that would be willing to waive the physical because they believe he is the difference between playing and vacationing in late June... I propose this deal. Somehow getting involved with the Knicks and Nuggets might work? Melo and Roy to the Knicks would put them right there.

 

[RR7]

It was going well UNTIL hitching their wagon to Roy and LMA?

 

[jlprk]

Bunch of dreamers. If a team will take Roy for free, and we only have to pay them half his paycheck for the next 5 years, we should jump at it.

Not only is he a detriment in salary planning, he thinks he's the best player on the team. Bad attitude, bad money, bad playing ability.

If you haven't noticed, Roy can't even make unguarded outside shots anymore, shots that require no leaping or knee pivoting. Rudy, who misses plenty too, provides more than Roy because he stays in the lane more, looking to disrupt and pick up loose balls.

 

[BrianFromWA]

It was going well UNTIL hitching their wagon to Roy and LMA?

Yes. Until giving Roy and LMA almost-max extensions, we were PRO-gressing. Now, we're RE-gressing. That's about the point that the derivative flipped from positive to negative.

Unless you disagree? I'm not seeing a lot of fact-based opinion from your side.

 

[Minstrel]

Yes. Until giving Roy and LMA almost-max extensions, we were PRO-gressing. Now, we're RE-gressing. That's about the point that the derivative flipped from positive to negative.

Unless you disagree? I'm not seeing a lot of fact-based opinion from your side.

The timeline is right...the causality implied seems a little faulty, to me. I think it would be more reasonable to say that until Roy suffered a physical issue that couldn't be foreseen, the team was progressing, now the team is regressing. I think knee troubles could be foreseen, but Roy played through those at a star level. Ending up with no meniscus I would say was unpredictable.

In addition, losing Oden so consistently has taken away a possible source of progression, but that didn't cause them to regress since they never really relied on him for wins in any season.

 

[Nikolokolus]

In light of Maxiep's "5 stages of grief" thread the other day, I find it sort of fascinating to see "bargaining" so cleanly illustrated. Not to rain on anybody's parade, but we're stuck with Roy for better or worse right now: A) he's a Base Year Compensation player which makes him even more difficult to move than normal and B) his contract is as bad (or worse) than Gilbert Arenas' deal.

It will be at least a year or two post lockout before he's movable and even that depends on how expiring contracts are valued under the new CBA.

If you want him gone, then it's only going to be through a medical retirement.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

What if we offered Roy and Pryzbilla and Armon Johnson for Gilbert Arenas? I think we would also have to offer them a choice of Babbit, Elliot Williams or a draft pick. I would even be willing to give them a choice of two of those three, because i don't think roy fits with this team anymore and it's holding back the development of a new style of play. this would take some guts by Cho but i really think it's needed.

 

[Blazinaway]

unfortunately, games by Roy like last night on national TV make it nearly impossible to move him

 

[RR7]

yes, because most GMs just scout by only watching the games that are on national tv.

 

[Blazinaway]

yes, because most GMs just scout by only watching the games that are on national tv.

sounds like an emotional response from a staunch Roy fan. I'm sorry for Roy, the franchise, and the fans, but it is what it is, you are seeing it with your own eyes but choose not to believe it, it's hard for me as well to believe how fast he has deteriorated, but I am not in denial and am trying to be realistic. We are in a very difficult situation and there is no easy way out, as has been stated before the new CBA might offer us some type of "out", we will just have to see. Roy needs to see less playing time IMO.

 

[Nikolokolus]

sounds like an emotional response from a staunch Roy fan. I'm sorry for Roy, the franchise, and the fans, but it is what it is, you are seeing it with your own eyes but choose not to believe it, it's hard for me as well to believe how fast he has deteriorated, but I am not in denial and am trying to be realistic. We are in a very difficult situation and there is no easy way out, as has been stated before the new CBA might offer us some type of "out", we will just have to see. Roy needs to see less playing time IMO.

Not really. It sounds more like somebody using sarcasm to say that, with or without national TV exposure, teams are well aware of Roy's diminished capacity and balky knees.

 

[Blazinaway]

Not really. It sounds more like somebody using sarcasm to say that, with or without national TV exposure, teams are well aware of Roy's diminished capacity and balky knees.

I missed that then

 

[jlprk]

First time I've disagreed with a Nikolokolus take in a long, long time.

A player's performances on national TV affect his trade value disproportionately.