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julius said:
And my posts are more cogent than yours.
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Well, I guess you win the cogent war, then. You're hired.

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ABM said:
No, she had to make an extraneous comment regarding Republicans. That's what I responded to.
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It's not democrats making laws to oppress transgender people.

It's not democrats claiming that if given the chance transgender people will rape women in bathrooms.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's not democrats making laws to oppress transgender people.

It's not democrats claiming that if given the chance transgender people will rape women in bathrooms.
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Look, none of this is cut-and-dried.

https://aninjusticemag.com/the-democratic-party-doesnt-care-about-trans-people-c83205af74e6

.....In 2015, Kamala Harris, then the Attorney General of California, made a request to stop a court ruling in favor of genital reconstruction surgery for Michelle-Lael Norsworthy, a convicted Black trans woman. California district judge Jon Tigar denied her request, “on the basis that withholding it constituted cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.” After her request was denied, she attempted to appeal at the Ninth Circuit District, a court with higher jurisdiction than Tigar’s. Her request was again denied, and Norsworthy became the first incarcerated transgender woman in California to be granted bottom surgery.

A detail that cannot be overlooked in all of this is that during the entire time Kamala Harris served as attorney general, transgender people were imprisoned in California according to their assigned sex at birth, not their gender identity. Trans women were forced to serve their sentence in the same prison and sometimes even the same cell as male inmates, and trans men were forced into women’s prisons.

Imprisoning trans women in male prisons exposes them to inordinate rates of harassment, assault, and rape. Candace Crowder, a Black trans woman incarcerated in California, filed a civil rights lawsuit alleging she was forced to spend nine months in solitary confinement after reporting that she was raped by her cellmate. She was imprisoned in August 2015 at the substance abuse treatment facility in Corcoran State Prison and placed in a cell with a man who she said forced her to perform sex acts on him. According to the lawsuit, on September 13, 2015 her cellmate raped her, and upon reporting that rape she was placed in solitary confinment for her own “protection.” When she tried to press charges on her cellmate her request was denied.

That year, 2015, was the same year Kamala Harris tried to block Michelle-Lael Norsworthy’s request for GRS. While it would be unfair to blame the cruel practice of forcing trans women into male prisons entirely on Kamala Harris, there is no doubt that she was complicit in a system that violently oppressed and continues to oppress trans people, a system that exposed Candace Crowder to a cruel and unusual level of danger and then stood silently by when she cried out for justice. And in the case of denying Michelle-Lael Norsworthy bottom surgery, there is no doubt that Harris personally reinforced that very same system.

But despite her less than perfect record on trans rights, when the National Center for Transgender Equality asked every member of the senate to place a transgender pride flag outside their office in support of Trans Visibility Week in May 2019, Harris did.

As a trans woman, I am not at all impressed by Harris’s display of our flag. In fact, it fills me with rage. Kamala Harris is a woman who actively oppressed transgender people during her time as Attorney General, and her display of the trans pride flag appears to me as an empty attempt to appear “woke” while doing nothing to rectify her horrific record of denying trans people human rights.

When Joe Biden chose Harris as his running mate, many liberals lauded him with praise for picking a Black woman, citing it as progress towards the representation of Black people in politics. While I too advocate for and encourage Black leadership in politics, I cannot forget that Candace Crowder and Michelle-Lael Norsworthy are also Black women, and I cannot help but ask some very difficult questions: what exactly is gained in empowering a Black woman who will unapologetically oppress the most vulnerable people in our society, poor and incarcerated Black trans women? Is that progress? Is that justice?

Harris is not the only example of the Democrats placing transphobes in places of power. Hillary Clinton, the party’s 2016 presidential nominee, has as recently as 2019 expressed reservations about allowing trans women to use women’s restrooms. During an interview done for The Sunday Times in promotion of their project The Book of Gutsy Women, Chelsea and Hillary Clintonwere asked numerous questions about trans issues. When the interviewer remarked that women of Hillary’s generation may not feel comfortable sharing a restroom or locker room with a trans women, Hillary reportedly nodded strongly in agreement, going on to say, “I think you’ve got to be sensitive to how difficult this is. There are women who’d say [to a trans woman], ‘You know what, you’ve never had the kind of life experiences that I’ve had. So I respect who you are, but don’t tell me you’re the same as me.’ I hear that conversation all the time.”
 
Harris is not a strong enough Ally. DeSantis is trying to make being trabs illegal, banning books, promoting don't say gay. Just the same.
 
ABM said:
Look, none of this is cut-and-dried.

https://aninjusticemag.com/the-democratic-party-doesnt-care-about-trans-people-c83205af74e6

.....In 2015, Kamala Harris, then the Attorney General of California, made a request to stop a court ruling in favor of genital reconstruction surgery for Michelle-Lael Norsworthy, a convicted Black trans woman. California district judge Jon Tigar denied her request, “on the basis that withholding it constituted cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.” After her request was denied, she attempted to appeal at the Ninth Circuit District, a court with higher jurisdiction than Tigar’s. Her request was again denied, and Norsworthy became the first incarcerated transgender woman in California to be granted bottom surgery.

A detail that cannot be overlooked in all of this is that during the entire time Kamala Harris served as attorney general, transgender people were imprisoned in California according to their assigned sex at birth, not their gender identity. Trans women were forced to serve their sentence in the same prison and sometimes even the same cell as male inmates, and trans men were forced into women’s prisons.

Imprisoning trans women in male prisons exposes them to inordinate rates of harassment, assault, and rape. Candace Crowder, a Black trans woman incarcerated in California, filed a civil rights lawsuit alleging she was forced to spend nine months in solitary confinement after reporting that she was raped by her cellmate. She was imprisoned in August 2015 at the substance abuse treatment facility in Corcoran State Prison and placed in a cell with a man who she said forced her to perform sex acts on him. According to the lawsuit, on September 13, 2015 her cellmate raped her, and upon reporting that rape she was placed in solitary confinment for her own “protection.” When she tried to press charges on her cellmate her request was denied.

That year, 2015, was the same year Kamala Harris tried to block Michelle-Lael Norsworthy’s request for GRS. While it would be unfair to blame the cruel practice of forcing trans women into male prisons entirely on Kamala Harris, there is no doubt that she was complicit in a system that violently oppressed and continues to oppress trans people, a system that exposed Candace Crowder to a cruel and unusual level of danger and then stood silently by when she cried out for justice. And in the case of denying Michelle-Lael Norsworthy bottom surgery, there is no doubt that Harris personally reinforced that very same system.

But despite her less than perfect record on trans rights, when the National Center for Transgender Equality asked every member of the senate to place a transgender pride flag outside their office in support of Trans Visibility Week in May 2019, Harris did.

As a trans woman, I am not at all impressed by Harris’s display of our flag. In fact, it fills me with rage. Kamala Harris is a woman who actively oppressed transgender people during her time as Attorney General, and her display of the trans pride flag appears to me as an empty attempt to appear “woke” while doing nothing to rectify her horrific record of denying trans people human rights.

When Joe Biden chose Harris as his running mate, many liberals lauded him with praise for picking a Black woman, citing it as progress towards the representation of Black people in politics. While I too advocate for and encourage Black leadership in politics, I cannot forget that Candace Crowder and Michelle-Lael Norsworthy are also Black women, and I cannot help but ask some very difficult questions: what exactly is gained in empowering a Black woman who will unapologetically oppress the most vulnerable people in our society, poor and incarcerated Black trans women? Is that progress? Is that justice?

Harris is not the only example of the Democrats placing transphobes in places of power. Hillary Clinton, the party’s 2016 presidential nominee, has as recently as 2019 expressed reservations about allowing trans women to use women’s restrooms. During an interview done for The Sunday Times in promotion of their project The Book of Gutsy Women, Chelsea and Hillary Clintonwere asked numerous questions about trans issues. When the interviewer remarked that women of Hillary’s generation may not feel comfortable sharing a restroom or locker room with a trans women, Hillary reportedly nodded strongly in agreement, going on to say, “I think you’ve got to be sensitive to how difficult this is. There are women who’d say [to a trans woman], ‘You know what, you’ve never had the kind of life experiences that I’ve had. So I respect who you are, but don’t tell me you’re the same as me.’ I hear that conversation all the time.”
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Oh Boy.....
 
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ABM said:
So, what you're effectively saying is, that Democrats (and some Republicans, to boot) have all the right answers in this department.
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nah she was just giving you a science lesson

one lesson out of a million that you need
 
RR7 said:
Did I miss in the clip where Maher made a law to oppress transgender people, or where he commented on them raping people in bathrooms? Or did you again respond to a comment with mostly unrelated drivel?
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That's all he can do. On that note, what do you think about this totally unrelated video?
 
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Uncomfortable using assigned restrooms.
In other words, prohibited from using their correct restroom.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
@ABM any plans for a trip to NC in the near future?
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Actually, yes. We'll be celebrating my wife's birthday in Asheville in late December. Both our extended families will be coming - from Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Tennessee. There's just something about the Biltmore Estate at Christmastime!
 
ABM said:
Actually, yes. We'll be celebrating my wife's birthday in Asheville in late December. Both our extended families will be coming - from Oregon, Washington, Colorado, and Tennessee. There's just something about the Biltmore Estate at Christmastime!
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