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Does anyone believe the Extreme Court majority hadn't made up their minds before the case was heard?
 
By filing the case preemptively there is no couple who faced discrimination to go before cameras, make their argument. Get sympathy and support. The only face seen was the bigot.
 
crandc said:
I can assure you my Cake Lady baking business doesn't discriminate against straight marriage.
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But would you make a "God Hates Fags" cake for a Westboro Baptist celebration? I don't think you should be forced to do something like that for those maggots.
 
crandc said:
No. That is a specific hate message. A couple getting married is not.
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I disagree. In the eyes of Westboro Baptist Church, it is how God sees gay people. It's not a specific hate message. In the minds of some, two people of the same sex being married is a sin against God. In other words, a specific hate message, no matter their love for one another.

Another example is what if someone took a pig into a kosher or halal butcher and demanded they butcher it? Shouldn't they have the right to decline the business? And butchering isn't even considered an art form as is cake decoration.
 
maxiep said:
I disagree. In the eyes of Westboro Baptist Church, it is how God sees gay people. It's not a specific hate message. In the minds of some, two people of the same sex being married is a sin against God. In other words, a specific hate message, no matter their love for one another.

Another example is what if someone took a pig into a kosher or halal butcher and demanded they butcher it? Shouldn't they have the right to decline the business? And butchering isn't even considered an art form as is cake decoration.
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yeah I’m sure you are just asking questions.
 
Ah yes. The old if gay people get married Kosher butchers have to sell pork.
Horseshit.
Bigots are so unoriginal. Keep saying same dumb things thinking it is clever.
A business can decide what to sell or not. What they sell must be available to all customers who pay for it. No Kosher butcher sells pork. But they are required to sell kosher chicken to any customer.
 
crandc said:
Ah yes. The old if gay people get married Kosher butchers have to sell pork.
Horseshit.
Bigots are so unoriginal. Keep saying same dumb things thinking it is clever.
A business can decide what to sell or not. What they sell must be available to all customers who pay for it. No Kosher butcher sells pork. But they are required to sell kosher chicken to any customer.
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I think this would be a great counterpoint without the insults.

Maxiep has never struck me as a bigot. Quite the contrary.

Again, excellent counterpoint.
 
maxiep said:
I disagree. In the eyes of Westboro Baptist Church, it is how God sees gay people. It's not a specific hate message. In the minds of some, two people of the same sex being married is a sin against God. In other words, a specific hate message, no matter their love for one another.

Another example is what if someone took a pig into a kosher or halal butcher and demanded they butcher it? Shouldn't they have the right to decline the business? And butchering isn't even considered an art form as is cake decoration.
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"...and no religion too."
 
crandc said:
My civil rights were compared to a hate crime.
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It was a great exchange of opinions and your response was made less impactful by the insult.

I'm not judging you, simply making an observation. You made an incredible counterpoint that anybody who is reading (with an open mind) would have considered heavily without the insults. The insults make your position seem more emotional, thereby less grounded in logic.

Especially if the person has spent time reading maxiep's incredibly well reasoned and respectful posts for the last 20+ years.

All of our civil rights are attacked the same way (frankly, often FAR more harshly) daily in this very forum.

It's a conversation that obviously needs to be had, or your rights wouldn't be in question.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It was a great exchange of opinions and your response was made less impactful by the insult.

I'm not judging you, simply making an observation. You made an incredible counterpoint that anybody who is reading (with an open mind) would have considered heavily without the insults. The insults make your position seem more emotional, thereby less grounded in logic.

Especially if the person has spent time reading maxiep's incredibly well reasoned and respectful posts for the last 20+ years.

All of our civil rights are attacked the same way (frankly, often FAR more harshly) daily in this very forum.

It's a conversation that obviously needs to be had, or your rights wouldn't be in question.
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If you’re not going to consider an argument because it was impolite, were you really willing to consider it?
 
Everything Beagle said:
If you’re not going to consider an argument because it was impolite, were you really willing to consider it?
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But I didn't say it wouldn't be considered. I said it made the argument less persuasive because it included a personal attack.

That's just human nature. People who respond to emotionally charged insults are already biased, one way or the other. In my experience this increases polarization rather than reducing it, which is what we need to actually solve these problems and protect our rights. See MAGA.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But I didn't say it wouldn't be considered. I said it made the argument less persuasive because it included a personal attack.

That's just human nature. People who respond to emotionally charged insults are already biased, one way or the other. In my experience this increases polarization rather than reducing it, which is what we need to actually solve these problems and protect our rights. See MAGA.
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Politeness has netted people exactly zero rights ever. Maybe we should have been more polite in 1776, and tried to work something out. Maybe we should have been more polite in 1860 and tried to work something out. Maybe we should have been more polite in 1940 and tried to work something out.

No. When your humanity becomes a debate, politeness is out the window.
 
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OK. Tact isn't always my strong point. And I can't know what is in someone else's head. But both Beagle and I interpreted the comment as comparing marriage equality to hate crime. I have no idea if that was meant but it is significant that two of the three open LGBTQ people on the board independently had the same reaction.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Politeness has netted people exactly zero rights ever. Maybe we should have been more polite in 1776, and tried to work something out. Maybe we should have been more polite in 1860 and tried to work something out. Maybe we should have been more polite in 1940 and tried to work something out.

No. When your humanity becomes a debate, politeness is out the window.
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crandc said:
OK. Tact isn't always my strong point. And I can't know what is in someone else's head. But both Beagle and I interpreted the comment as comparing marriage equality to hate crime. I have no idea if that was meant but it is significant that two of the three open LGBTQ people on the board independently had the same reaction.
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I completely understand why this is an important and emotional issue. I simply provided feedback that (from my perspective) attacks on posters who are engaging in the discussion seems counterproductive to what appears to be your goal.

I don't think this discussion among fellow Blazer fans rises to the level of risk as the events you've pointed out, so I don't think responding with vitriol is warranted.
 
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We will see more of this. Republican candidates trying to outdo each other on hating queers.
 
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