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ABM said:
Tell that to julius and natt.
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You know people in the past have used religion to create their own cults, right?

Not saying yours is a cult. But, proudly stating you are a Christian as if it excuses or qualifies takes and proves one isn't a bigot, racist or the like leads you down the path this thread is going.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
You know people in the past have used religion to create their own cults, right?

Not saying yours is a cult. But, proudly stating you are a Christian as if it excuses or qualifies takes and proves one isn't a bigot, racist or the like leads you down the path this thread is going.
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I made a statement that I'm a Christian, because, as far as I can tell, most of the board in here is not. I have strong convictions regarding abortion. That's a well-known fact in here. At least it should be. In terms of gays, I've clearly stated that I don't believe in gay marriage. The Bible is clear on that fact. In terms of any other gay rights, etc., I have no issues. In terms of our schools teaching sex education in our schools to our young kids, I don't care what the topic - hetero, gay, whatecer - I'm against it. In terms of trans topics, I'm all over this thread. Knock yourself out reading any of those comments, questions, concerns, or otherwise.
 
ABM said:
I made a statement that I'm a Christian, because, as far as I can tell, most of the board in here is not. I have strong convictions regarding abortion. That's a well-known fact in here. At least it should be. In terms of gays, I've clearly stated that I don't believe in gay marriage. The Bible is clear on that fact. In terms of any other gay rights, etc., I have no issues. In terms of our schools teaching sex education in our schools to our young kids, I don't care what the topic - hetero, gay, whatecer - I'm against it. In terms of trans topics, I'm all over this thread. Knock yourself out reading any of those comments, questions, concerns, or otherwise.
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A person's religious beliefs should not be used to limit or take away someone else's rights and freedoms.
 
ABM said:
I made a statement that I'm a Christian, because, as far as I can tell, most of the board in here is not. I have strong convictions regarding abortion. That's a well-known fact in here. At least it should be. In terms of gays, I've clearly stated that I don't believe in gay marriage. The Bible is clear on that fact. In terms of any other gay rights, etc., I have no issues. In terms of our schools teaching sex education in our schools to our young kids, I don't care what the topic - hetero, gay, whatecer - I'm against it. In terms of trans topics, I'm all over this thread. Knock yourself out reading any of those comments, questions, concerns, or otherwise.
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I'm interested in knowing where you and the church you worship at stands on this.

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ABM said:
I made a statement that I'm a Christian, because, as far as I can tell, most of the board in here is not. I have strong convictions regarding abortion. That's a well-known fact in here. At least it should be. In terms of gays, I've clearly stated that I don't believe in gay marriage. The Bible is clear on that fact. In terms of any other gay rights, etc., I have no issues. In terms of our schools teaching sex education in our schools to our young kids, I don't care what the topic - hetero, gay, whatecer - I'm against it. In terms of trans topics, I'm all over this thread. Knock yourself out reading any of those comments, questions, concerns, or otherwise.
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I have read your posts, time and time again. I wholeheartedly disagree with a lot of what you say. But, you have to admit you bring on some of this on your own. If you don't, I don't know what to tell you.

I know @PtldPlatypus is a christian and he doesn't get nearly the same amount of back and forths you do. I'm not saying he agrees with everything you stated here, but most everyone on this board has found him to be pleasant to talk to and conversate with.

Why do you think there is such a contrast?
 
ABM said:
No sarcasm intended. But, now that you ask, I was a bit curious about "queer resources" for kids.
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I'm sure it will be lots of fun comes off as very sarcastic and perhaps judgmental of the event.

There are kids who identify as queer. There should be resources for them right? The parade is also about awareness and open mindedness.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Cats are soul stealers.
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Just be careful about letting them lay on your stomach while you sleep.

But really, I have had cats who have slept on my chest. I'm pretty sure I still have a soul.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I have read your posts, time and time again. I wholeheartedly disagree with a lot of what you say. But, you have to admit you bring on some of this on your own. If you don't, I don't know what to tell you.

I know @PtldPlatypus is a christian and he doesn't get nearly the same amount of back and forths you do. I'm not saying he agrees with everything you stated here, but most everyone on this board has found him to be pleasant to talk to and conversate with.

Why do you think there is such a contrast?
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Perhaps, because he keeps his convictions/feeling to himself(?)

I'm more transparent than most.
 
Chris Craig said:
I'm sure it will be lots of fun comes off as very sarcastic and perhaps judgmental of the event.

There are kids who identify as queer. There should be resources for them right? The parade is also about awareness and open mindedness.
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That's my question: What are queer resources? Never heard of them before.
 
ABM said:
That's my question: What are queer resources? Never heard of them before.
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I'd imagine

Support groups

Guides for parents

Literature for youths so they can see they aren't alone.

Links and numbers for foundations that are setup to help the the LBGTQ community.

Lifelines

Funding

Rights

Etc.
 
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ABM said:
Perhaps, because he keeps his convictions/feeling to himself(?)

I'm more transparent than most.
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You spelled oblivious wrong.
 
Speaking for myself, I'll say that there's a Bible verse that says "As far it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." It's right in the middle of a big section that also says to bless those who curse you, live in harmony with others, not be proud or conceited, love your enemies, etc.

I know that my worldview is at odds with that of most in here. I also know that nothing oppositional I post in here is going to argue anyone into holiness. Thus, with nothing but enmity to be gained by debating, I choose peace.
 
ABM said:
That's my question: What are queer resources? Never heard of them before.
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Never hearing about something or knowing nothing about subject has never stopped you from having an opinion, why start now?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Speaking for myself, I'll say that there's a Bible verse that says "As far it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." It's right in the middle of a big section that also says to bless those who curse you, live in harmony with others, not be proud or conceited, love your enemies, etc.

I know that my worldview is at odds with that of most in here. I also know that nothing oppositional I post in here is going to argue anyone into holiness. Thus, with nothing but enmity to be gained by debating, I choose peace.
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Thanks for sharing that. I do understand. This is a message board, after all. By the same token, as believers, we're called to stand up for righteousness, while carrying our cross.

As kind of an aside, here's a verse that's always made me scratch my head a bit:

People ask, what would Jesus do? Well?

"Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!" ~Luke 12;51 NLT
 
ABM said:
Thanks for sharing that. I do understand. This is a message board, after all. By the same token, as believers, we're called to stand up for righteousness, while carrying our cross.

As kind of an aside, here's a verse that's always made me scratch my head a bit:

People ask, what would Jesus do? Well?

"Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!" ~Luke 12;51 NLT
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We've been through this verse. Context.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Speaking for myself, I'll say that there's a Bible verse that says "As far it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." It's right in the middle of a big section that also says to bless those who curse you, live in harmony with others, not be proud or conceited, love your enemies, etc.

I know that my worldview is at odds with that of most in here. I also know that nothing oppositional I post in here is going to argue anyone into holiness. Thus, with nothing but enmity to be gained by debating, I choose peace.
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That is the right outlook to take.

When I have attended church, too often, people come up and think they are helping by jumping to talk to you and guilt you into staying. Many times some of these types start judgment immediately. And in many cases those people have done things far worse in their lives than the person they are talking to. Have a beer? What a sin! (Even though they used to be an alcoholic and you only partake in the occasional beer).

I feel like "born-again christians" fall into that category the most, but that is completely anecdotal.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
That is the right outlook to take.

When I have attended church, too often, people come up and think they are helping by jumping to talk to you and guilt you into staying. Many times some of these types start judgment immediately. And in many cases those people have done things far worse in their lives than the person they are talking to. Have a beer? What a sin! (Even though they used to be an alcoholic and you only partake in the occasional beer).

I feel like "born-again christians" fall into that category the most, but that is completely anecdotal.
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No one wants a lush cat.
 
Chris Craig said:
We've been through this verse. Context.
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Understood. While Jesus is LOVE, He's also all about righteousness. He tells us (believers) we're in the world, but not of the world, along with clear directives. He also said that, for those who don't believe in Him, all these things are pure foolishness and can't be understood.

30 And the very hairs on your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are more valuable to God than a whole flock of sparrows.

32 “Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.

34 “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword.

35 ‘I have come to set a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
36 Your enemies will be right in your own household!’

37 “If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. 38 If you refuse to take up your cross and follow me, you are not worthy of being mine. 39 If you cling to your life, you will lose it; but if you give up your life for me, you will find it. ~ Matthew 10:30-39
 
SlyPokerCat said:
That is the right outlook to take.

When I have attended church, too often, people come up and think they are helping by jumping to talk to you and guilt you into staying. Many times some of these types start judgment immediately. And in many cases those people have done things far worse in their lives than the person they are talking to. Have a beer? What a sin! (Even though they used to be an alcoholic and you only partake in the occasional beer).

I feel like "born-again christians" fall into that category the most, but that is completely anecdotal.
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I understand.

Many of you know, my father (may he R.I.P.) was an associate pastor for 34 years in a mostly Black church in N. Portland. Right off Vancouver Ave. One of the families (I knew them well) had a son who was gay and he died of AIDS. Now, this was a time where there was a TREMENDOUS stigma attached to AIDS. Many, including those in the church, shunned those who had been infected. Kind of like the story of the good Samaritan. (Luke 10:25-37). Anyway, the family asked clergyperson after clergyperson if they would perform the funeral. Not one of them agreed. They then asked my father. A BIG ask in those days as he was white. He agreed without hesitation. None of the circumstances crossed his mind in any way. It's the type of man/father he was. Now, that said, when my sister came out and told the family she was gay, he struggled with that, and struggled with that a LOT. At first, he didn't want my sister to bring her girlfriend over to the house. He did relinquish, though.
 
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