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SlyPokerDog said:
Maris has sent me the following PM and is taking exception to me saying his post was vile and hateful. I have no interest in debating this with him. If anyone else would like to calmly and in a noninsulting manner explain why his post is not accurate it would be greatly appreciated.


WTF? If there's anything vile and hateful in my post please highlight the specific wording you are referring to and I will happily edit my post. I have made this request before and feel it's the least I deserve from someone who publicly accused me of being vile and hateful, then blocked me from responding.​

Seriously, does anyone on this board have the ability to read a post without mentally-inserting secret meanings and "between the lines" assumptions they want to attribute to me and others?​

1. To my knowledge, everything I wrote referring to Gender Dysphoria is thoroughly supported by mental healthcare professionals. (I fully support public funding to provide mental healthcare for every American Citizen who seeks it out.)​

2. The alarming rise of sexual assaults inflicted upon children since the sudden onset of mixed restrooms in public schools is well-documented by criminal cases recently in the news. (Nowhere did I suggest these crimes had any relation to Gender Dysphoria. Clearly, they are the predictable result of removing the concept of separate restrooms for separate sexes.​

I have absolutely nothing against people struggling with their concept of identity or sexuality. We all struggle with our place in the world at some time in our lives, mostly in childhood and young adulthood.​

Those with mental illnesses struggle horribly and deserve far better treatment than to be scooped up into political warfare by criminally-manipulative opportunists seeking personal attention to make themselves feel important.​
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Why bother, he's phony.
 
In an effort to appease the usual trolls (see above posts), I have spent some time updating myself on the "woke world of self-victimization"'s current as of 05/28/2022 but constantly morphing and mutating view of why everyone is evil and life is unbearable.

These are the sources I sought out today, and ironically, reading them in full clearly documents how the field of psychiatry acknowledges their opinions and diagnosis attempt to avoid reality when it may offend the patient seeking help.

Psychiatry.org - Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis
Psychiatry.org - Definitions of Gender, Sex, and Sexual Orientation and Pronoun Usage
Psychiatry.org - Search Results

I have edited my post accordingly.

I have bolded the rewritten parts.
 
Hold on, @SlyPokerDog I didn't call anyone an angry bigot, I just stated a fact.

Angry bigots don't like being called angry bigots.
 
I have little to add to what others have said, except that in the past Maris has said that most claims of rape are made up. Apparently only when the victim is pure enough for him, white by definition, and assailant Black or Latino, preferably immigrant, or these mythical bands of trans women assaulting girls I'm restrooms does he consider it not the invention of hysterical female.
Bad sentence structure, sorry.
 
crandc said:
I have little to add to what others have said, except that in the past Maris has said that most claims of rape are made up. Apparently only when the victim is pure enough for him, white by definition, and assailant Black or Latino, preferably immigrant, or these mythical bands of trans women assaulting girls I'm restrooms does he consider it not the invention of hysterical female.
Bad sentence structure, sorry.
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In defense of the people who make such claims, it's hard to put a link to ones own ass and have it legible.
 
julius said:
In defense of the people who make such claims, it's hard to put a link to ones own ass and have it legible.
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One can take a picture, it will last longer
 
MARIS61 said:
Warning signs are in every sector of our society, mostly required by law, so Citizens know of the dangers present.

Transgenderism is often, but not always in recent history, diagnosed as Gender Dysphoria which is a mental disorder involving an inner "sense", or "feeling" that their "identity" or "conscious being" is not actually the biological sex that their body is.

Gender Dysphoria sometimes leads to the delusional notion that one can physically change their body from one of the 2 biological sexes to the other, either through surgery or drugs. Suicide, sometimes involving harm to others, is a common result of lack of mental health treatment for the disorder.

I mention this only because it is the stated reason why public schools are removing the option for children to urinate and defecate in a single-sex environment.

Dozens of rapes and sexual assaults of children have already occurred in public school restrooms this year, and the number of unreported attacks is likely many times that number.
More dangerous than the chance of your child being hit by Falling Rocks on the highway, and easier to prevent simply by NOT intentionally abetting felony sex crimes and as always has been the case, separate restrooms for boys and girls.

Whether the child-victimizing criminals committing these crimes are transgender, or just biologically-comfortable criminals taking advantage of the absurdity of public schools leaving children defenseless, has no bearing on my view that all children are being deliberately endangered by allowing biological boys into biological girls' restrooms, and the reverse.

As for adults and parents, they also deserve to be forewarned of Falling Rocks Ahead, so they can at least know there is a chance, no matter how slight, that the gas station restroom is open to both sexes.
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Again, wrong.

Transgender and Gender Dysphoria are not the same thing. You continue to conflate them. Gender Dysphoria is the feeling some transgender people, not all, get when their birth gender does not match with their actual gender.

Transgender people are not mentally ill. Again, stop conflating.

Delusion accompanies a very small number of cases of Gender Dysphoria where schizophrenia is also present. Again, this is a small number of cases. The great majority of cases of Gender Dysphoria do not include delusion as a symptom. Again, being transgender does not mean you are delusional.

I'm not even going to go into your claims about bathroom rape again, because it's ridiculous.
 
julius said:
No one wants to see pictures of a bunch of fat ass drunken Hill billy bare asses online.
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Scary enough, there are probably people who do. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
What photos others choose to view us not my business. I would rather see pics of cats and cakes. Would it be out of order to reveal I am making birthday cake for Nuraman?
 
It's really funny there's literally one person here who could be directly hurt by what MARIS61 has said (a post which, even in revision, I would classify as hate speech, but that's just my opinion of the post, not of the poster), so I guess it's no surprise it was deemed good and proper to reinstate it so that the poster could continue this discussion. I guess it's because it's very important to discuss various bigotries spouted by the members here as if they were gentle philosophical stands.

You can't argue with transphobia, homophobia, racism, religious zealotry, etc. Citing facts and gotchas from bible verses serve to make the centrist-leaning liberals who do this feel very special indeed, but they don't change minds. I tried the game, I tried to educate, tried being honest and forthright in the hopes that somebody would change. But change is not possible. Ironically, I can cite studies (I know there's been like, Wired or Atlantic articles about the psychology of obstinancy in ideology), but that too doesn't matter.

I'm reminded of a bartender I knew who told me about nazi bars. He said, "A nazi will come into a bar, and be the nicest, calmest motherfucker in the room, and this is on purpose so that you look unreasonable when you kick the fucker out immediately. But you have to kick him out immediately, or else the next time he comes in, he'll bring a friend, and then they'll bring friends the third time, and sooner or later, everyone else has stopped coming to your bar and your bar's a nazi bar."

You didn't seek to kick out the transphobes and homophobes and racists and misogynists when you established this place; when the OT forum started, you got a good fucking look at the kind of shit people really thought here, and you chose to do nothing about it, as if that were somehow noble. Now all the marginalized members of the forum are gone except for two, and the majority who are left have you by the balls. You can't even delete a post that is (in my opinion) Actual Hate Speech without putting it back as if that were the noble thing. Dear God what weakness.

Congratulations, your bar is a nazi bar now... metaphorically speaking, of course (I wouldn't dare offend anyone here, that would be bad, right?)
 
YamTastic said:
It's really funny there's literally one person here who could be directly hurt by what MARIS61 has said (a post which, even in revision, I would classify as hate speech, but that's just my opinion of the post, not of the poster), so I guess it's no surprise it was deemed good and proper to reinstate it so that the poster could continue this discussion. I guess it's because it's very important to discuss various bigotries spouted by the members here as if they were gentle philosophical stands.

You can't argue with transphobia, homophobia, racism, religious zealotry, etc. Citing facts and gotchas from bible verses serve to make the centrist-leaning liberals who do this feel very special indeed, but they don't change minds. I tried the game, I tried to educate, tried being honest and forthright in the hopes that somebody would change. But change is not possible. Ironically, I can cite studies (I know there's been like, Wired or Atlantic articles about the psychology of obstinancy in ideology), but that too doesn't matter.

I'm reminded of a bartender I knew who told me about nazi bars. He said, "A nazi will come into a bar, and be the nicest, calmest motherfucker in the room, and this is on purpose so that you look unreasonable when you kick the fucker out immediately. But you have to kick him out immediately, or else the next time he comes in, he'll bring a friend, and then they'll bring friends the third time, and sooner or later, everyone else has stopped coming to your bar and your bar's a nazi bar."

You didn't seek to kick out the transphobes and homophobes and racists and misogynists when you established this place; when the OT forum started, you got a good fucking look at the kind of shit people really thought here, and you chose to do nothing about it, as if that were somehow noble. Now all the marginalized members of the forum are gone except for two, and the majority who are left have you by the balls. You can't even delete a post that is (in my opinion) Actual Hate Speech without putting it back as if that were the noble thing. Dear God what weakness.

Congratulations, your bar is a nazi bar now... metaphorically speaking, of course (I wouldn't dare offend anyone here, that would be bad, right?)
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You posting my friend is a large part what keeps this from being a Nazi bar....
 
YamTastic said:
It's really funny there's literally one person here who could be directly hurt by what MARIS61 has said (a post which, even in revision, I would classify as hate speech, but that's just my opinion of the post, not of the poster), so I guess it's no surprise it was deemed good and proper to reinstate it so that the poster could continue this discussion. I guess it's because it's very important to discuss various bigotries spouted by the members here as if they were gentle philosophical stands.

You can't argue with transphobia, homophobia, racism, religious zealotry, etc. Citing facts and gotchas from bible verses serve to make the centrist-leaning liberals who do this feel very special indeed, but they don't change minds. I tried the game, I tried to educate, tried being honest and forthright in the hopes that somebody would change. But change is not possible. Ironically, I can cite studies (I know there's been like, Wired or Atlantic articles about the psychology of obstinancy in ideology), but that too doesn't matter.

I'm reminded of a bartender I knew who told me about nazi bars. He said, "A nazi will come into a bar, and be the nicest, calmest motherfucker in the room, and this is on purpose so that you look unreasonable when you kick the fucker out immediately. But you have to kick him out immediately, or else the next time he comes in, he'll bring a friend, and then they'll bring friends the third time, and sooner or later, everyone else has stopped coming to your bar and your bar's a nazi bar."

You didn't seek to kick out the transphobes and homophobes and racists and misogynists when you established this place; when the OT forum started, you got a good fucking look at the kind of shit people really thought here, and you chose to do nothing about it, as if that were somehow noble. Now all the marginalized members of the forum are gone except for two, and the majority who are left have you by the balls. You can't even delete a post that is (in my opinion) Actual Hate Speech without putting it back as if that were the noble thing. Dear God what weakness.

Congratulations, your bar is a nazi bar now... metaphorically speaking, of course (I wouldn't dare offend anyone here, that would be bad, right?)
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I am truly sorry you feel that way but I completely understand why you do.

This is not the first post in this thread where Maris has said bullshit like that. Fortunately, I happened to be in the forum when he posted them and I immediately deleted them. This time I decided to try something different. To leave what I feel is a vile comment up and to see if the reactions and replies from others can get through to him. When I say I'm at the end of my rope with what he does I truly mean this. So, like you in this post have admitted to trying, "I tried to educate, tried being honest and forthright in the hopes that somebody would change."

I don't know what to do, if I delete it he posts it again a month later, if I delete and ban him no one has any idea of why I banned him, and then I have accusations and letters to the Blazers that I am trying to eliminate all the conservative members of the forum.

I read that post, deleted it, and then thought fuck that, this shit sucks and he needs to be told that. So I put the post back, and asked for help.

If that was wrong and that now makes me a Nazi I'll own it. I tried something different, I tried it publicly, and if I failed I'll own it.

When I put that post back and asked for help today you were one of the ones I was hoping would reply to him. I have seen you do it eloquently and logically to some of ABM's to where has thanked you. I was hoping you in this instance would do the same.

Instead, you have eloquently and logically explained what I tried to do was wrong.

But also, I can support the lbgtq+ communities, I can defend the lbgtq+ communities, but I can not and will not speak for the lbgtq+ communities. In this instance, I was truly trying to clear the way for others to speak. But, if clearing the stage for you or others to speak I felt it was important to leave the hateful reasons why voices needed to be heard.

I was honest in saying this his post will be deleted but I'm going to leave it up a little longer so others in this community can see why his post was wrong, the mistakes I made since then, and the vital context to your post.

What I have not decided yet is if Maris will continue to be a part of this community.

I'm sorry for any pain that Maris and my response to him have caused you.
 
Sly, you are not a nazi, just like the bartender isn't a nazi in the nazi bar scenario. I truly didn't mean to imply you were,

I know, and you have mentioned before, about how hard your job is, and I respect that you thought it was best for someone directly involved in the subject (namely, me) to attempt to respond to MARIS's post.

But come on. You didn't even ask me if I wanted to respond, or if I'd even seen it! (I hadn't) Instead, you put a big post up, brought back his post, and then indirectly suggested I respond to it. Like it's my fucking problem your members write transphobic screeds?

I'll admit, I'm really hurt about this, and I'm talking about it publicly because everyone talks about me publicly in this thread so I might as well. But I'm not going anywhere. After the horseshit trying to convince ABM, I hope you understand that I'm not going to be as gung ho happy to try and re-educate every person who writes posts implying or outright stating that I'm mentally ill and dangerous.

Anyway I'm going to bed. I'm not leaving this forum, because that would be going easy on you lovely people.
 
I am NOT sorry Yam "feels this way". Because she is right.
Is it really a coincidence that Spud is gone, Dviss is gone, Eric is gone? Do you really want a board of straight white men plus HCP?
(Not saying this to call out HCP, just that if I say straight white men someone will point out there is still one Hispanic poster so....)
 
crandc said:
I am NOT sorry Yam "feels this way". Because she is right.
Is it really a coincidence that Spud is gone, Dviss is gone, Eric is gone? Do you really want a board of straight white men plus HCP?
(Not saying this to call out HCP, just that if I say straight white men someone will point out there is still one Hispanic poster so....)
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I would say HCP has been the (rather jocular) target of a metric fuckton of (rather jocular) racism on this site for years. I do not envy him the shit he's had to take, honestly.
 
I don't suppose the option exists to ban a forum member from the OT side of the forum, while leaving them access to the Blazers side of the forum.....?? And if someone is complaining to the Blazer front office because they are being banned or "ill treated" for bringing racist, homophobic or any other kind of behavior unacceptable in "polite" society to this forum, fuck 'em. The Blazers need to direct them to mental health resources......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I don't suppose the option exists to ban a forum member from the OT side of the forum, while leaving them access to the Blazers side of the forum.....?? And if someone is complaining to the Blazer front office because they are being banned or "ill treated" for bringing racist, homophobic or any other kind of behavior unacceptable in "polite" society to this forum, fuck 'em. The Blazers need to direct them to mental health resources......
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No, I wish that were an option in the forum software.
 
riverman said:
I know two Erics here....kingspeed and elprez....I have seen them both post the couple of days
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Yeah, I think she is talking about Kingspeed, but he still posts here. Was curious if he decided to quit last night and Crandc knew something we didn't. I'd miss Eric if he ever left. Even if we don't always see things the same way on the Blazers.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Yeah, I think she is talking about Kingspeed, but he still posts here. Was curious if he decided to quit last night and Crandc knew something we didn't. I'd miss Eric if he ever left. Even if we don't always see things the same way on the Blazers.
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No, hes still around.
 
YamTastic said:
It's really funny there's literally one person here who could be directly hurt by what MARIS61 has said (a post which, even in revision, I would classify as hate speech, but that's just my opinion of the post, not of the poster), so I guess it's no surprise it was deemed good and proper to reinstate it so that the poster could continue this discussion. I guess it's because it's very important to discuss various bigotries spouted by the members here as if they were gentle philosophical stands.

You can't argue with transphobia, homophobia, racism, religious zealotry, etc. Citing facts and gotchas from bible verses serve to make the centrist-leaning liberals who do this feel very special indeed, but they don't change minds. I tried the game, I tried to educate, tried being honest and forthright in the hopes that somebody would change. But change is not possible. Ironically, I can cite studies (I know there's been like, Wired or Atlantic articles about the psychology of obstinancy in ideology), but that too doesn't matter.

I'm reminded of a bartender I knew who told me about nazi bars. He said, "A nazi will come into a bar, and be the nicest, calmest motherfucker in the room, and this is on purpose so that you look unreasonable when you kick the fucker out immediately. But you have to kick him out immediately, or else the next time he comes in, he'll bring a friend, and then they'll bring friends the third time, and sooner or later, everyone else has stopped coming to your bar and your bar's a nazi bar."

You didn't seek to kick out the transphobes and homophobes and racists and misogynists when you established this place; when the OT forum started, you got a good fucking look at the kind of shit people really thought here, and you chose to do nothing about it, as if that were somehow noble. Now all the marginalized members of the forum are gone except for two, and the majority who are left have you by the balls. You can't even delete a post that is (in my opinion) Actual Hate Speech without putting it back as if that were the noble thing. Dear God what weakness.

Congratulations, your bar is a nazi bar now... metaphorically speaking, of course (I wouldn't dare offend anyone here, that would be bad, right?)
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I understand both why Sly removed the post and why he put it back it up. Sly has grown tired of these types of posts and has removed many of them. Again and again Maris has played the victim (being the calmest mother fucker in the room) saying he didn't post anything wrong. Sly, having deleted it couldn't show that he did. I don't think Sly was calling you out to address it personally. He was calling it out by saying hey look everyone, look at this hateful speech. Do you see it too?

I call it out when I see it. Whenever I see it. Over the years since I have been here, things have gotten better. Many posters who carry those sentiments are no longer here. Unfortunately, as you have pointed out many others have been driven out of here. But, I have began to see some of those people return. Hopefully, more of them will.

Sly carries the sole ban hammer and I think he has wielded it well. He is very responsible with it. He's a damned good bar manager. He likes to see the best in people. He hopes to give people the chance to change their ways. That doesn't always work.

I will tell you, this is not a Nazi bar. That shit does not fly here. It will always be called out. There is a difference between opinion and hate speech and we are not blind to that.
 
Chris Craig said:
I understand both why Sly removed the post and why he put it back it up. Sly has grown tired of these types of posts and has removed many of them. Again and again Maris has played the victim (being the calmest mother fucker in the room) saying he didn't post anything wrong. Sly, having deleted it couldn't show that he did. I don't think Sly was calling you out to address it personally. He was calling it out by saying hey look everyone, look at this hateful speech. Do you see it too?

I call it out when I see it. Whenever I see it. Over the years since I have been here, things have gotten better. Many posters who carry those sentiments are no longer here. Unfortunately, as you have pointed out many others have been driven out of here. But, I have began to see some of those people return. Hopefully, more of them will.

Sly carries the sole ban hammer and I think he has wielded it well. He is very responsible with it. He's a damned good bar manager. He likes to see the best in people. He hopes to give people the chance to change their ways. That doesn't always work.

I will tell you, this is not a Nazi bar. That shit does not fly here. It will always be called out. There is a difference between opinion and hate speech and we are not blind to that.
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Well said.
 
Thank you to everyone on the staff who was responsive and sympathetic, especially Sly.

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