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cool. cool cool cool.*

*this is extremely not cool
Do you think teachers should have to lie to parents about their students ... or is this going to the Supreme Court at a national level what you find 'not cool.'
 
I'm not sure this is the flex you think it is as all those blue states span both ends of the political spectrum when it comes to voting patterns, but again this is a guy that doesn't know effect from affect and still struggles with his there/their/they're!

his post has nothing to do with political preference, but it's in reference to his story/claim that he slept with a cousin of his.
 
his post has nothing to do with political preference, but it's in reference to his story/claim that he slept with a cousin of his.
So because of that he doesn't know affect/effect and there/their/they're???
 
Do you think teachers should have to lie to parents about their students ... or is this going to the Supreme Court at a national level what you find 'not cool.'
Buddy, most teachers are on the kids’ side, and if the kid doesn’t want their parents to know, there’s probably a good reason. Teachers should get to lie to parents about their children in order to protect the children from their parents. Period. Parents are unqualified dumbasses who happened to fit a penis in a vagina for a few minutes. Teachers spend years training to help kids be successful.

what is extremely not cool are a tiny minority of bootlicking assholes who are trying to icepick their way into destroying all the other teachers’ ability to protect their kids because they’re religious zealots acting as fucking sleeper agents.
 
Buddy, most teachers are on the kids’ side, and if the kid doesn’t want their parents to know, there’s probably a good reason. Teachers should get to lie to parents about their children in order to protect the children from their parents. Period. Parents are unqualified dumbasses who happened to fit a penis in a vagina for a few minutes. Teachers spend years training to help kids be successful.

what is extremely not cool are a tiny minority of bootlicking assholes who are trying to icepick their way into destroying all the other teachers’ ability to protect their kids because they’re religious zealots acting as fucking sleeper agents.
Buddy seems like a really condescending way to respond to an honest question. I'd say as a teacher myself that most of us DO NOT want to lie to parents but I guess you'd know better.
 
Teachers are not being asked to lie, just to not volunteer information. Is it lying if a clergy member keeps a parishioner's confidence confidential?
Depends on what that clergy member is keeping confidential ... the law is the law.
 
Buddy seems like a really condescending way to respond to an honest question. I'd say as a teacher myself that most of us DO NOT want to lie to parents but I guess you'd know better.

Would you, as a teacher yourself, out a trans student to their parents if the trans student asks you to (a) use their correct pronouns but (b) asks you not to tell their parents?
 
Would you, as a teacher yourself, out a trans student to their parents if the trans student asks you to (a) use their correct pronouns but (b) asks you not to tell their parents?
Luckily I've never been put in that position but it's definitely something I'd talk to our counselors and principals about. I genuinely think that the overwhelming majority of parents want what is best for their kids, and sadly a lot of times these kids don't know what is best for them at their young and immature ages.
 
Luckily I've never been put in that position but it's definitely something I'd talk to our counselors and principals about. I genuinely think that the overwhelming majority of parents want what is best for their kids, and sadly a lot of times these kids don't know what is best for them at their young and immature ages.

Yeah I figured.
 
Yeah I figured.
Seems like you disagree, what experience do you have dealing with these kind of young minds? I'm sorry if you don't agree that the mind of a human isn't fully developed until around the age of 25, meaning I don't expect them to make rational and thoughtful decisions as 16 year olds. I deal with them every single day at this age and they are fascinating to be around but no I don't always think they know what is best.
 
Seems like you disagree, what experience do you have dealing with these kind of young minds? I'm sorry if you don't agree that the mind of a human isn't fully developed until around the age of 25, meaning I don't expect them to make rational and thoughtful decisions as 16 year olds. I deal with them every single day at this age and they are fascinating to be around but no I don't always think they know what is best.

So I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you are against gender transition before 25?
 
Depends on what that clergy member is keeping confidential ... the law is the law.
Actually, my understanding is a Catholic priest cannot violate confessional even if someone confesses to murder. And being trans is not (yet) a crime, although Republicans are trying.
 
I know some of you have probably heard of the podcast or videos that have people write in and ask "Am I the jerk", etc...

We should change the name of this thread to "Am I the bigot?"
 
If you think teens are too young to know they are trans...
What age were you when you knew what gender you are? Most of you are male. When did you know that you were a boy? How would you have reacted at 16, or 12, or 5 if adults told you you were too young to know you were a boy? At 24?
 
If you think teens are too young to know they are trans...
What age were you when you knew what gender you are? Most of you are male. When did you know that you were a boy? How would you have reacted at 16, or 12, or 5 if adults told you you were too young to know you were a boy? At 24?
I can answer this....I never questioned my gender nor had reason to question it but that's just my experience, I won't assume it's at all the same for anyone else. I'd say by puberty most young people would become aware of what arouses them and how they feel about themselves and their own leanings. Choice....the most precious freedom. Every human should be free to choose their personal gender identity. It's certainly not any of my business to judge anyone.
 
If you think teens are too young to know they are trans...
What age were you when you knew what gender you are? Most of you are male. When did you know that you were a boy? How would you have reacted at 16, or 12, or 5 if adults told you you were too young to know you were a boy? At 24?
And is there anything anyone could have done that would have changed your sexual orientation?
 
And is there anything anyone could have done that would have changed your sexual orientation?
No. Nor my gender. Even though from a young girl, before the women's liberation movement, I chafed at restrictions on girls and women, I knew I was as smart as any boy if not more so, I never doubted I was a girl. I didn't want to change my gender, just how we were seen and treated. And when I became aware of lesbian sexual orientation it was, oh, that's what I am.
 
I knew I wanted to be a girl as young as 11, and the friction between my body and my mind only got worse as it went along. Given how casually homophobic and transphobic everyone was back then, it was a dream I had to just… put away, but I was miserable because of that.

If I had been 12 in 2015, when it seemed kind of okay to come out, when transgender was a term people were actively talking about, I’d have wanted gender affirming care (puberty blockers, then social transition, then correct hormones) immediately. It’s important to note here that the only difference is opportunity, not desire. I wanted as much then to be a girl as kids these days do, and I’m not better than them for having to suffer to get my wish. It’s never too late to transition but that doesn’t mean we should make kids suffer for the convenience of parents.
 
If you think teens are too young to know they are trans...
What age were you when you knew what gender you are? Most of you are male. When did you know that you were a boy? How would you have reacted at 16, or 12, or 5 if adults told you you were too young to know you were a boy? At 24?
My first favorite color was pink and I told my mom I was going to wear a dress to my wedding, all this when I was about five or six. And yet I grew out of that and changed, because that's what kids do as their minds develop. There shouldn't be blanket rules for this and there are always exceptions to every rule, but dealing with young people everyday, it's easy to see how their emotions and thoughts swing wildly, sometimes from day to day.
 
While I'm all for a person pursuing whatever makes them happy (or "whole"), I too feel that some decisions should be held off until adulthood. Sometimes feelings change. I shudder at some of the decisions I made pre-adulthood, despite being 100% "sure" at the time. I guess what probably motivates my thinking is watching some of the people I grew up with. We knew at a very young age that they were "different", despite not being particularly aware of homosexuality (this was the early to mid '60's after all). Great people, just "different". Yet it took several into their fifties, after heterosexual marriage and kids, to come to grips with the fact that they were gay....and always had been. Despite what those of us around them "knew", they genuinely did not have a clue (or so they say) until they were older and more mature. So that's all I have to go by. I have no problem whatsoever if someone wants to transition, but there's really no going back, so they need to be old enough and mature enough (yes, I realize that maturity is not guaranteed with age) to be absolutely sure the decision is one they can live with going forward.
 
You'd feel that limb breaking out from underneath you ... but keep making assumptions!

EDIT: forget it; I’m sorry I antagonized you. I hope none of your students die because of your decisions. That’s literally all I can hope for.
 
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While I'm all for a person pursuing whatever makes them happy (or "whole"), I too feel that some decisions should be held off until adulthood. Sometimes feelings change. I shudder at some of the decisions I made pre-adulthood, despite being 100% "sure" at the time. I guess what probably motivates my thinking is watching some of the people I grew up with. We knew at a very young age that they were "different", despite not being particularly aware of homosexuality (this was the early to mid '60's after all). Great people, just "different". Yet it took several into their fifties, after heterosexual marriage and kids, to come to grips with the fact that they were gay....and always had been. Despite what those of us around them "knew", they genuinely did not have a clue (or so they say) until they were older and more mature. So that's all I have to go by. I have no problem whatsoever if someone wants to transition, but there's really no going back, so they need to be old enough and mature enough (yes, I realize that maturity is not guaranteed with age) to be absolutely sure the decision is one they can live with going forward.

Going through a male puberty did untold damage to my psyche and to my body. I don’t get to be feminine in ways I wanted when I knew I was a girl, because a male puberty eliminated that opportunity.

I can’t imagine being a trans kid who HAS that opportunity in front of them today experiencing the pain of being told by some adult, “no you have to wait until the wrong puberty has irreversibly changed your body before I will let you transition because I am afraid even if you’re not.”

Starting a kid on blockers doesn’t do anything irreversible. Socially transitioning kids when they want doesn’t do anything irreversible. Why is this so scary to people?
 
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