I’m ready to say CJ is expendable

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Natebishop3 said:
I don't think that's necessarily the case. The Spurs had Danny Green as their starting shooting guard with Manu coming off the bench. Sometimes it's about fit. Having Trent's shooting ability and defense next to Dame would make a massive difference in defeating the trap and lessening our issues on perimeter defense.
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Manu wasn't playing behind Green until his mid-thirties. You're talking about benching a 20+ppg scorer (5 years running) in his prime. These are not the same thing at all.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Manu wasn't playing behind Green until his mid-thirties. You're talking about benching a 20+ppg scorer (5 years running) in his prime. These are not the same thing at all.
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Regardless of his age, his limitations are similar to Manu or Jamal Crawford.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No. Because CJ isn't Dame. Not even close. Not even remotely close. CJ does what Dame does like.... five times a year. Dame averaged 30 ppg last year. CJ is not Dame.
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Dame has far more opportunities to do that as well. CJ has to get going around Dame.

Which I'm sure he's fine with. But it's still less opportunity.

And CJ is also far more proven than Trent. CJ has shown a playmaking ability that Trent has not.

CJ was here first, is more proven, and is (arguably) a top 10 player at his position.

There is no need to bench him in favor of Trent. It's more important who is on the floor to finish the game.

And you can make that call far easier with less harm to the team than changing starters.

GTJ should get minutes. Lots of minutes. And he will.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No. Because CJ isn't Dame. Not even close. Not even remotely close. CJ does what Dame does like.... five times a year. Dame averaged 30 ppg last year. CJ is not Dame.
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Dame and CJ have combined to play 1208 games, but apparently, the last 2 games prove the first 1204 games were flukes
 
Phatguysrule said:
Dame has far more opportunities to do that as well. CJ has to get going around Dame.

Which I'm sure he's fine with. But it's still less opportunity.

And CJ is also far more proven than Trent. CJ has shown a playmaking ability that Trent has not.

CJ was here first, is more proven, and is (arguably) a top 10 player at his position.

There is no need to bench him in favor of Trent. It's more important who is on the floor to finish the game.

And you can make that call far easier with less harm to the team than changing starters.

GTJ should get minutes. Lots of minutes. And he will.
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All of this is true. However, one guy is a defensive sieve and the other guy is a defensive dog. Gotta play both sides of the ball.
 
wizenheimer said:
Dame and CJ have combined to play 1208 games, but apparently, the last 2 games prove the first 1204 games were flukes
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There's nothing flukish about being the worst defensive starting back court in the NBA for 1208 games. Dame and CJ are both great on offense. It's pretty clear that their games on O aren't complementary either, they step on each others toes all of the time but that hasn't been the case the last 2 games but I guess I shouldn't get too excited about that because that probably is the fluke.

Acting like Dame and CJ have made us world beaters during their time together instead of realizing they've been a liability is a huge problem but not with most of the fan base. It's been the biggest problem with Olshey first, then Stotts, then CJ and finally Dame. I don't need James Harden to split these two up. If we had a GM that thought with his head instead of some combination of his ego and loyal heart Gary Trent would be enough to break up this back court.
 
OneSport3 said:
With the emergence of Gary Trent Jr. Similar to when the Warriors had to choose between fan favorite Monta Ellis and the upcoming Klay Thompson. Klay was younger, a better shooter and better defender than Monta.

Now is there a way to trade CJ for Harden without including GTJ?
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Not after Trent's big game yesterday. I think Olshey has been trying to sell them on Simons but they will insist on Trent.
 
with CJ making 30-35m a year for the next 4yrs, who is available?

Dame, GTJ, RoCo, (new starting PF?), Nurk
 
the thing with Dame and CJ is that in the vast majority of examples they are less than the sum of their parts.
Dame plays better without CJ - most cases
CJ plays better without Dame - most cases

they aren't complimentary on the floor to the level they should be, mostly cause they are v. similar in play style/positioning/attack/etc

from what ive seen anyways.
 
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