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Hi Ghoti, this is "Mrs. Dumpy" (never in million years imagined I would be referring to myself that way). Anyway, The Wire is SO GOOD, I can't believe I didn't start watching it years ago, when a friend first told me I would like it. I figured, it's some cop show, what's the big deal. I am so taken with it, I am already dreading when I run out. Just started Season 3 this morning. It's so rich, with details about everyone's lives, and that makes it so compelling. The only weird thing is that I don't know what anyone's voice sounds like. I watch it in the early mornings when I am on the treadmill, which is while Dumplings #1 and #2 are still sleeping (and of course Dumpy is too--he's up so late posting on discussion boards that he can't get up at 6 a.m. to save his life. But I digress.) Anyway, the treadmill is in a room right next to the Dumplings' bedrooms, so I keep the TV on mute to minimize the chance that they'll wake up. I read the show.

I don't think I could get Dumpy to watch it with me. We rarely watch any TV together, except now occasionally the Daily Show. You've seen how he disparages my other preferences...

It was frustrating at the end of Seasons 1 and 2 how the bad guys got away both times...can't wait to see what Season 3 holds in store.

cheers,
--Mrs. D.

Mrs Dumpy! Nice to hear from you!

You will be glad to know that The Wire remains just as compelling throughout the run of the series. It also almost requires you to watch it over and over again because there is so much to miss the first time around.

If you like this show, ask for the complete set of Homicide: Life on the Street next time someone needs a gift idea (it's discontinued, but it can be found). It's brilliant.
 
Season 1 episode 3: The Boy in the Tree.

Going through them one at a time.

Now knowing what we do about the character, the "take a hint" subplot was pretty interesting [Zach's girlfriend broke up with him, and all she would say is, "take a hint," and he had no idea what she was talking about--which makes sense, since he has trouble reading social cues. He then makes it worse by not taking cues that none of his friends wanted to talk to him about it, and bringing it up at inopportune times].

I have a ways to go to reach the murder. At this rate . . . maybe April or May, I figure.
 
I don't believe that was Mrs. Dumpy. But if it is, it's nice to meet you. Also, tell you husband that the Raptors are the best team in the NBA.
 
I don't believe that was Mrs. Dumpy. But if it is, it's nice to meet you. Also, tell you husband that the Raptors are the best team in the NBA.

post #86 was most certainly Mrs. Dumpy. She wants to know why no team in any sport is named the "Manatees."
 
Man, that dissertation on INT P-vs.-J was really revealing. In the analysis of my test, it showed me as being a strong "J", but in your description I have a lot fo the "P" tendencies (for instance, though I'm good at setting schedules, I get a rush off of doing something new, unique and extraordinary on-the-fly. I pride myself in handling pressure situations and stress much better than most (being in charge of a submarine can do that, I guess)). I'm pretty fastidious in appearance, but I can live with "organized piles" on my desk, and usually just keep tidy to keep up appearances at the office/home. I'm married to a free-spirit ISFJ interior designer who can drive me batty at times with her forgetfulness and interruptions, but who considers anything inside the drywall to be her domain (although I choose the electronics setup...she wanted "white boxes to better match the wall" and wasn't sure a plasma would look good. She changed her mind after I showed her how aesthetically pleasing HD and surround sound can be).

Cool to hear from guys who seem to know what they're talking about. thanks.

Incidentally Brian, the more you get involved with these theories, the more you start to see quirks as "character traits" and not "psychological conditions" or "neoroses." When someone exhibits behavior that is outside the "norm," however that is described, it doesn't necessarily mean that there is something wrong with them, just that they may be extreme on one or more of the four scales--and that their behavior is in fact normal for people like them. Since I've studied the Myers-Briggs ideas, I've become more eccentric myself, just because I've accepted my own traits more and have stopped bothering to cover them up and act like the masses (who are typically xSxJs).

Anyway, once you type someone, it becomes easier to understand how they might react to different situations and different stimuli, which in turn helps you figure out how to best act towards them. it also allows you to manipulate the crap out of anyone, but I won't give any insight on that!
 
Since I've studied the Myers-Briggs ideas, I've become more eccentric myself, just because I've accepted my own traits more and have stopped bothering to cover them up and act like the masses (who are typically xSxJs).

It's funny how much easier it is to "be yourself" when you have some idea what that means.
 
It's funny how much easier it is to "be yourself" when you have some idea what that means.

absolutely. Once you recongnize your own strengths and weaknesses, you also start to see through society's bias towards people that are a certain way. And, again, you stop seeing them so much as "weaknesses," as you do character traits--and you start to be more confident in the things you CAN do well, because now you have confidence that others can't do the same things. I can't remember if I mentioned this, but one of the traits of the INTP is that they keep quiet when asked to give ideas in an open setting, because they believe that if something is obvious to them, it must be obvious to everyone--and therefore, there's no point in talking about it. But it turns out that INTPs (like all non-SJ groups) think so differently than everyone else that it just isn't true at all.
 
Eric, was it difficult to learn some of your lines?

I'm almost through season one, btw. The last one I watched was the one with the pirate treasure.
 
I was interviewed by Connie Chung on 20/20 back in the day!
 
I won some "millionth customer" sort of thing at Sea World when I was 7-8. Got a nice pin and probably a poster or something.

But you don't see me bragging.
 
I won some internet prediction thing, but you dont see me bragging :rolleyes:
 
I once won a spelling bee in grade 2. Man, did the girles talk to me at recess.
 
Two words: Pinewood. Derby.

Suck on that, bitches!
 
Here goes.

(Deep breath.)

I understand why Zach Addy reminds Ghoti of me. In many ways, he’s correct, but it isn’t a perfect match—and the reason for that may solely be because the show’s writers haven’t portrayed him as well as they could. Or it could be that Zach is a little different than me. Eric, I think I’m going to need your help to sort it out.

I’m a big believer in the Myers-Briggs brain type indicator test. According to Myers-Briggs, there are 16 distinct personality types that explain and reveal how people process information and interact with the world around them. [In case this is new to some of you, I’ll be happy to start a separate thread on it] According to this model, there are four different “scales”, and you can have one of the two attributes on each scale to varying degrees. That leads to 16 permutations. Each of the four scales interact with each other, to form a vibrant, detailed, descriptive understanding of what motivates a person’s behavior—in other words, the “whole” is more than just the four “parts.”

I am what is known as an INTP—actually, a pretty extreme INTP. INTP stands for Introvert/Intuition/Thinking/Perceiving. The words used in the Myers-Briggs typing (such as introvert) don’t have the same meaning as ordinary usage, but you get used to it. In this case, for instance, an “introvert” is someone who focuses on their own internal thoughts and ideas, someone who reflects on a question before answering it—and generally likes to think before they act. They like quiet spaces, and they need to be alone to “recharge their batteries.” They also prefer to work alone. The opposite of “introvert” is “extravert,” who is someone who talks while they think of what they ultimately want to say.

Anyway, one of the archetypical characteristics of the INTP is that he or she finds patterns in limited sets of data. They think independently to solve complex problems in an unstructured environment. The stereotype of the “absent-minded professor” is an INTP—as was Einstein, Newton, Darwin, etc.—basically all great scientists.
Zach Addy has these characteristics. In one episode, Zach discovered a pattern in the use of the number “12” and was able to use this to figure out who the murderer was, and where the victim’s head was buried. At first glance, he certainly seems like an INTP; this is exactly the sort of ability that the typical INTP would have. Another give-away is that he started two PhD degrees and finished neither. INTPs are poor at school, and are driven by their own quest for knowledge, not for something tangible like a degree. They often lose interest when they can conceptualize finishing a project, and at that point want to move on to something else. They are pretty likely to end up off track and changing directions. (BTW, in my view it is nearly impossible for an INTP to become a scientist, just because of all the crap you have to go through to get a science undergrad degree, which is far better suited to a different personality type, the xSTJ. INTPs will just struggle to memorize formulae and chemical reactions; they are better at understanding concepts and drawing analogies).

The problem is that there is a definite cost to having these skills, and they are costs that I haven’t really seen in Zach Addy. An INTP is a poor leader, since they don’t really have many people skills and would rather be working independently by themselves. This seems like Zach. They also interact on an intellectual rather than an emotional level. They prefer to communicate via e-mail than by telephone. However, INTPs tend to procrastinate, work in a messy environment (they only care about cleaning things up if the mess starts to interfere with their thoughts). They hate timetables. They also present their views as tentative and will always want to collect data indefinitely to continue to hone their ideas and theories. When they argue with others, it will be more to convince THEMSELVES of the right answer, then to convince others, so they can change their minds as they collect more information, and they don’t see anything inconsistent about that. They prefer to present options over certainties, to focus on a process for finding an answer more than the answer itself. They are easy-going and spontaneous, but also shy and awkward. Often when trying to explain their ideas to others, they get so bogged down in details, that no one else can follow what they are talking about, so they are often dismissed as nuts. They also often get so focused on their own thoughts inside their head that they become oblivious to the world around them, and can get annoyed if someone approaches them and forces them to interact. They don’t fit in, because non-INTPs see them as daydreaming time-wasters who don’t follow rules. One common weakness among INTPs is that once they conceptualize how to finish a project, they lose motivation to actually finish it. [Darwin, for example, took 16 years to write Origin of Species, partly for this reason, partly because he kept collecting more and more data—he only published when a colleague independently developed the same theory and was about to publish it himself]

I haven’t seen any of these things in Zach. It seems as though he doesn’t exhibit these weaknesses (other than being socially awkward). However, it may be that he is an INTJ and not an INTP—I don’t really have enough information from what I’ve seen to draw a conclusion. He is DEFINITELY an INT-something. There is no question about that. This is where I need your help. If Zach is a “P”, he would be more interested in gathering information; he would constantly seek additional options; he would be flexible. He would enjoy starting tasks, but leaving them unfinished and taking up others (like not finishing two PhDs). He would postpone decisions in order to discover and weigh more options. He would feel restricted by too much structure.

If he was a “J,” though, he would prefer to make decisions than to collect options. He would set goals, and be organized. He would prefer to plan his day out in advance, and he would get upset if something came up that he didn’t expect, throwing his schedule off. He would seek structure and focus on completing the tasks at hand.
One great example of the difference between a “J” and a “P” is that a “J” will make a list of all the things he has to accomplish, and cross things off when they are finished. If he does something not on the list, he will add it and then cross it off. A “P”, on the other hand, will also make a list—but then he’ll lose it and forget that he ever made one.

Another difference can be stated this way: If a “J”’s boss visits him in the morning and says, “J, I have a new project for you to do, and it has to be finished by the end of the day,” The J will slam his door in anger and pout for three hours. This has completely upset his schedule! Then he’ll get over it, and methodically complete the task by the end of the day. When the boss goes to see the “P,” he is just thrilled: He gets a chance to do something new, something he hasn’t done before! But then, instead of diving right in, the P will go get some coffee, go talk to someone down the hall, go surf the internet, etc. At around 2:00 p.m., the P will finally turn around to the task, work feverishly, and finish just at the same time as the J. Two different approaches, same result.

So Eric, you have to help me. Is Zach a J or a P? If he is a P, as I’ve said, he hasn’t been portrayed by the writers as well as he could have been . . . if he is a J, well, then I have to do more research into what an INTJ is normally like.

[incidentally, the reason why I’ve attacked this right now is because, in true INTP fashion, I am procrastinating from doing something else, and hoping that I will free my mind by doing something else for an hour]

Okay, I'm coming very late to this party but I just took the Myers-Briggs and got the results yesterday. I'm an
INTP too! When I thoroughly analyzed the results (as any good INTP would) I kind of figured out the difference between and INTP and the INTJ. This may not help because it's compairing them to characters on a different TV show but I think you'd actually find the show kind of funny. It's called "The Big Bang Theory" - http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/big-bang-theory/cast/288041.

The two main characters are big time nerds (like the rest of us INTP/Js) and I think the character Sheldon is the INTJ and the character Leonard is INTP. Sheldon thinks he's completely right about everything all the time (brainiac stuff or daily life stuff) and you can't tell him otherwise. Leonard is just as big of a geek but isn't very decisive because he's never sure he has ALL the data required to make a decision so he isn't as confident as Sheldon (that might be a side effect of the chronic underachieving and procrastinating that INTPs share), heh. I think Zach Addy is an INTP but I might change my mind if he's in more episodes, hah. Also, I really like the show Bones... I think the Dr. Brennan is the INTJ in the group.

And Eric, the shiny pants are guaranteed to get you on the list... next time wear the matching sequinned glove and see what happens. Also, I miss Zach... can't they bring his character back to "consult" from the loony bin? He's fairly harmless except for that one little murder and they could keep him behind plexiglass... they did it for Hannibal Lector! He just can't be trusted to make unsupervised decisions but in this "best of both worlds" scenario he won't have to. :cheers:
 
wow--I--that's interesting. Check this out:



http://www.anxietyzone.com/conditions/aspergers_syndrome.html

I have to think about this some more, do some research about the condition, and watch that episode again in that light. Thanks!

Wow! I really wish I'd be in on this discussion earlier... this statement made me laugh because I've asked my mother if it was possible I had a mild form of Aspergers syndrome. She thought the idea was ridiculous and continues to make fun of it to this day. The reason I asked is because I work with a group of 3 women and we all have the same job. They are very close and do stuff outside of work. The idea of spending more time with my co-workers (unpaid no less!) is horrifying to me. I'm constantly hurting their feelings but never know why and it turns out I can hurt their feelings just by existing. They recently let me know that it hurts their feelings when I come into work in the morning and go directly to my desk and start working. Mind you, they are in a different cubicle/pod than I am and it would take a special trip to greet them every morning. I wanted to respond, "Get over your bad selves ladies. I'm not snubbing you on purposes... it's not about you all the time and frankly I'm thinking about work when I walk by in the morning and you don't even register with me." But I'm a professional and agreed to try and do better. It's really annoying!
 
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