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For Trump to be fully impeached (ousted), wouldn't that required a 2/3 vote in the Senate? I'm not totally up on my impeachment knowledge, but I think that's correct.
 
ABM said:
For Trump to be fully impeached (ousted), wouldn't that required a 2/3 vote in the Senate? I'm not totally up on my impeachment knowledge, but I think that's correct.
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Yes
 
Chris Craig said:
I don't expect he'll admit it, but it will hurt his ego. He cry about it in his tweets. Hopefully, he doesn't try to stay in power when he loses. Accepting defeat is not his strong suit.

That seems to be what the order of things will be from here on out. Democrat House will impeach him. Republican Senate will blow him. He will get voted out next year. The New York State prosecutors will be waiting for him.
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NY unions would like to have a word with him in a darkened shuttered room.
 
ABM said:
For Trump to be fully impeached (ousted), wouldn't that required a 2/3 vote in the Senate? I'm not totally up on my impeachment knowledge, but I think that's correct.
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The way things are going, the senates hand is going to be forced.
 
So far, there is no impeachment, and likely it will never even get started as it can't pass a vote in the House.

Without a legitimate and positive vote in favor of impeachment, no subpoena of witnesses is valid. Now that we know Schiff lied for 2 months and was actually involved in the formation of the 3rd-party "whistleblower" complaint and it's fairytale version of the call has been 100% disproven, we await the results of the legitimate investigations currently in progress exposing the Deep State Russian hoax, the attempts at rigging our 2016 election, the current attempts at rigging our 2020 election (including this fake impeachment charade), the traitors still embedded in our intelligence community, and their accomplices in the Fake News.

Andy McCarthy calls out Dems' 'Kabuki theater': There are no subpoenas and no impeachment inquiry
By Julia Musto | Fox News

House Democrats' impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump is all but "Kabuki theater at this point,' former Assistant U.S. Attorney Andy McCarthy said Friday.

Appearing on "America's Newsroom" with host Bill Hemmer, McCarthy argued that the way the media is reporting on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's probe is "simply inaccurate about what's going on."

"For example, this whole idea that there is an impeachment inquiry: there's not. The idea that there are subpoenas: there aren't. And, I think a lot of people are consuming it as if it were true on face value and I really think if I were the White House what I would be worried about is breaking through that," McCarthy told Hemmer.

In an op-ed in The Hill, McCarthy wrote that congressional Democrats, to the contrary, are instead conducting the 2020 political campaign: "Democrats are mulishly determined to ram through an article of impeachment or two, regardless of whether the State Department and other agencies cooperate in the farce. Their base wants the scarlet-letter 'I' (impeachment) attached to Trump. The party hopes to rally the troops for the 2020 campaign against Trump...If Democrats truly thought they had a case, they wouldn't be in such a rush---they'd want everyone to have time to study it. But they don't have a case, so instead they're giving us a show."

House Democrats launched a formal impeachment inquiry into the president after a whistleblower complaint suggested the president, during a July phone call with his Ukrainian counterpart, tried to induce officials there to investigate Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden, his son Hunter, and their business dealings in that country.

"The question here is, was there a corrupt quid pro quo?" the Fox News contributor asked.

On Thursday, the Trump administration confirmed with Fox News that they will send Pelosi a letter "daring" her to hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry.

The letter will say that the White House won't comply with the Democrats' investigation because Pelosi hasn't codified the probe with a formal vote on the House floor. The letter will mirror the tone of a letter House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., sent to the speaker on Thursday.

"I think it's the right thing for him to do," Andy McCarthy said. "The Constitution reposes the power to impeach solely in the House. Not in the Speaker of the House, the House."

McCarthy said it would actually benefit the House if it wanted to go into court and try to enforce any information demands: "The first thing a court's going to want to know is, 'Has the House voted to have an impeachment inquiry?' And, a lot hinges on that, including how much expansion a court would give a president's claim of executive privilege and privilege over matters that are in the president's duties under Article II.

"If they really have grounds to seek the president's impeachment, they not only should have a vote because it's in their interests when they go to court to have a vote, they should be proud to have a vote," McCarthy added.

He concluded: "If [House Democrats] really think they have grounds to remove the President of the United States from power, then the House should speak as one as an institution and vote that way."
 
MARIS61 said:
So far, there is no impeachment, and likely it will never even get started as it can't pass a vote in the House.

Without a legitimate and positive vote in favor of impeachment, no subpoena of witnesses is valid. Now that we know Schiff lied for 2 months and was actually involved in the formation of the 3rd-party "whistleblower" complaint and it's fairytale version of the call has been 100% disproven, we await the results of the legitimate investigations currently in progress exposing the Deep State Russian hoax, the attempts at rigging our 2016 election, the current attempts at rigging our 2020 election (including this fake impeachment charade), the traitors still embedded in our intelligence community, and their accomplices in the Fake News.

Andy McCarthy calls out Dems' 'Kabuki theater': There are no subpoenas and no impeachment inquiry
By Julia Musto | Fox News

House Democrats' impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump is all but "Kabuki theater at this point,' former Assistant U.S. Attorney Andy McCarthy said Friday.

Appearing on "America's Newsroom" with host Bill Hemmer, McCarthy argued that the way the media is reporting on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's probe is "simply inaccurate about what's going on."

"For example, this whole idea that there is an impeachment inquiry: there's not. The idea that there are subpoenas: there aren't. And, I think a lot of people are consuming it as if it were true on face value and I really think if I were the White House what I would be worried about is breaking through that," McCarthy told Hemmer.

In an op-ed in The Hill, McCarthy wrote that congressional Democrats, to the contrary, are instead conducting the 2020 political campaign: "Democrats are mulishly determined to ram through an article of impeachment or two, regardless of whether the State Department and other agencies cooperate in the farce. Their base wants the scarlet-letter 'I' (impeachment) attached to Trump. The party hopes to rally the troops for the 2020 campaign against Trump...If Democrats truly thought they had a case, they wouldn't be in such a rush---they'd want everyone to have time to study it. But they don't have a case, so instead they're giving us a show."

House Democrats launched a formal impeachment inquiry into the president after a whistleblower complaint suggested the president, during a July phone call with his Ukrainian counterpart, tried to induce officials there to investigate Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden, his son Hunter, and their business dealings in that country.

"The question here is, was there a corrupt quid pro quo?" the Fox News contributor asked.

On Thursday, the Trump administration confirmed with Fox News that they will send Pelosi a letter "daring" her to hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry.

The letter will say that the White House won't comply with the Democrats' investigation because Pelosi hasn't codified the probe with a formal vote on the House floor. The letter will mirror the tone of a letter House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., sent to the speaker on Thursday.

"I think it's the right thing for him to do," Andy McCarthy said. "The Constitution reposes the power to impeach solely in the House. Not in the Speaker of the House, the House."

McCarthy said it would actually benefit the House if it wanted to go into court and try to enforce any information demands: "The first thing a court's going to want to know is, 'Has the House voted to have an impeachment inquiry?' And, a lot hinges on that, including how much expansion a court would give a president's claim of executive privilege and privilege over matters that are in the president's duties under Article II.

"If they really have grounds to seek the president's impeachment, they not only should have a vote because it's in their interests when they go to court to have a vote, they should be proud to have a vote," McCarthy added.

He concluded: "If [House Democrats] really think they have grounds to remove the President of the United States from power, then the House should speak as one as an institution and vote that way."
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They are impeaching him. They are conducting an indepth inquiry to put together all of the evidence. They already have the votes in the house. They are making sure the senate is backed into a corner. The republican Senate will be forced to impeach him or be complicit.
 
CupWizier said:
what are the odds he will be impeached by the House? :bgrin:

We know we have spineless republicans in the senate. :morningtime:
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Well, I suppose it does matter who controls the Senate. It's the only thing that kept Clinton from being booted. Like I said, though, the dems have been doing all they can to impeach Trump since day-zero. Absolutely none of this is surprising.
 
ABM said:
Well, I suppose it does matter who controls the Senate. It's the only thing that kept Clinton from being booted. Like I said, though, the dems have been doing all they can to impeach Trump since day-zero. Absolutely none of this is surprising.
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well, regarding Clinton, we certainly know that lying about a blow job is definitely as bad as asking a foreign country for help in digging up dirt on a political opponent, right? And no, they haven't been trying to impeach trump since day one, but don't let the facts get in the way. :blink:
 
CupWizier said:
well, regarding Clinton, we certainly know that lying about a blow job is definitely as bad as asking a foreign country for help in digging up dirt on a political opponent, right? And no, they haven't been trying to impeach trump since day one, but don't let the facts get in the way. :blink:
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Well, the lying about it was secondary. The fact that he even engaged in that sort of activity in the oval office in the first place is absolutely disgraceful. Oh, and I look at what Biden was carrying on with Ukraine "while" he was VP a bit more damaging than Trump digging up dirt on it.
 
ABM said:
Well, the lying about it was secondary. The fact that he even engaged in that sort of activity in the oval office in the first place is absolutely disgraceful. Oh, and I look at what Biden was carrying on with Ukraine "while" he was VP a bit more damaging than Trump digging up dirt on it.
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and what did Biden do in Ukraine that was unlawful? Yes, getting a blow job is much worse than lying to the American people over and over again. How many indictments have come from this administration so far? How many from the Obama administration?
 
ABM said:
Well, the lying about it was secondary. The fact that he even engaged in that sort of activity in the oval office in the first place is absolutely disgraceful. Oh, and I look at what Biden was carrying on with Ukraine "while" he was VP a bit more damaging than Trump digging up dirt on it.
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What exactly did Biden (or his son) do with Ukraine?
 
ABM said:
Well, the lying about it was secondary. The fact that he even engaged in that sort of activity in the oval office in the first place is absolutely disgraceful. Oh, and I look at what Biden was carrying on with Ukraine "while" he was VP a bit more damaging than Trump digging up dirt on it.
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Not sure why it matters where two adults decide to do their thing... Look I'm married would never cheat on my wife, were pretty conservative in the "sex" department (though the kid count may make that look incorrect lol), but I don't get this line of reasoning. Ah man, where they did it was the real problem, I think unless it's pedophilia, or sex-trafficking were just gonna have to accept that these people have personal lives and this stuff really doesn't matter. It would appear that adults like engaging in sex (alot) and while were free to make personal choices as to the morality of certain things, it's also not really our place to push that morality onto others. May matter to their spouses, and loved ones but does it affect their jobs as "presidents, congressmen/women, etc" it's doubtful.

Also really hard to excuse Trumps conduct and go back to good ol' Bill...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Also really hard to excuse Trumps conduct and go back to good ol' Bill...
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They do seem to have a weird way of rationalizing stuff.

Look, we all have sex, I'm willing to bet most of us have had sex outside of marriage...but I'm more willing to bet that most of us haven't conspired with a foreign government to target a political enemy.
 
ABM said:
For Trump to be fully impeached (ousted), wouldn't that required a 2/3 vote in the Senate? I'm not totally up on my impeachment knowledge, but I think that's correct.
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No, you're mixing impeachment with conviction of one or more articles of impeachment together. One is the responsibility of the House and the other is the responsibility of the Senate.
 
julius said:
They do seem to have a weird way of rationalizing stuff.

Look, we all have sex, I'm willing to bet most of us have had sex outside of marriage...but I'm more willing to bet that most of us haven't conspired with a foreign government to target a political enemy.
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As far as my wife goes, I've never had sex outside of marriage and I hope to keep it that way. No, no, I will not have sex with another woman. I meant that I hope to keep her knowledge of my possible past sexual escapades unknown to my wife. Being a lay person on the law but knowledgeable enough to know where trouble lies, note how I used the term 'possible'.
 
ABM said:
Well, I suppose it does matter who controls the Senate. It's the only thing that kept Clinton from being booted. Like I said, though, the dems have been doing all they can to impeach Trump since day-zero. Absolutely none of this is surprising.
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He's fired scores of Republicans that have since become his detractors...it's not all dems....I'm an independent voter ...one of many..haven't met one who trusts him yet. Need to stop the two party labeling and see it as Americans opinions on Trump...I'd vote for almost any Republican candidate over him providing they were honest and willing to work for everyone. Swamp draining to me means ending the partisan divorce court we've been saddled with for my entire life. Trump has blatantly refused to cooperate with our intelligence agencies...he'd rather cooperate with foreign dictators, sultans or monarchs... The dems attacking and fake news attacking is all he's got...then he slanders John McCain, Mit Romney, Sloppy Steve Bannon, Rex Tillerman...and dozens of other GOP regulars.....Mueller was a fucking lifelong republican for christs sake....see this president for what he is.....only interested in himself. You agree with the guy or get tagged dumb as a rock eh? Mad dog Mattis….John Hawk Bolton...he's really pissed off a lot of people who are well informed as to the flaws of his lack of leadership.
 
julius said:
They do seem to have a weird way of rationalizing stuff.

Look, we all have sex, I'm willing to bet most of us have had sex outside of marriage...but I'm more willing to bet that most of us haven't conspired with a foreign government to target a political enemy.
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At this point, Trump has not been impeached, and what happened (or not) with Biden and/or his son is still under investigation, as well. Pardon for bringing Clinton into the discussion, but he actually has been through the process and probably got off easy....although, he was disbarred, but that's a different story.

Anyway, sure, the Bidens may skate, and if it really is proven that Trump's call was strictly politically motivated to eliminate ol' Joe as a 2020 political rival, then, yeah, I'm OK with Pence as Prez. Still yet to be proven, though.
 
ABM said:
At this point, Trump has not been impeached, and what happened (or not) with Biden and/or his son is still under investigation, as well. Pardon for bringing Clinton into the discussion, but he actually has been through the process and probably got off easy....although, he was disbarred, but that's a different story.

Anyway, sure, the Bidens may skate, and if it really is proven that Trump's call was strictly politically motivated to eliminate ol' Joe as a 2020 political rival, then, yeah, I'm OK with Pence as Prez. Still yet to be proven, though.
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That's why it's called a process and inquiry. Hell, they just started the inquiry a week ago and it's moving at a rapid pace and trump just keeps feeding them more evidence. Him and rudy are quite the sideshow that doesn't know how to keep their mouths shut as they think they can lie their way out of anything. How do you feel about the stonewalling the trump administration has been doing. trump claims he is the most transparent president EVER. Are you buying that?

By the way, who's investigating Biden? the Chinese or Ukraine? When will it be wrapped up as apparently Volker testified there was nothing there.
 
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ABM said:
At this point, Trump has not been impeached, and what happened (or not) with Biden and/or his son is still under investigation, as well. Pardon for bringing Clinton into the discussion, but he actually has been through the process and probably got off easy....although, he was disbarred, but that's a different story.

Anyway, sure, the Bidens may skate, and if it really is proven that Trump's call was strictly politically motivated to eliminate ol' Joe as a 2020 political rival, then, yeah, I'm OK with Pence as Prez. Still yet to be proven, though.
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The problem that you have now is that Pence is in it up to his eyeballs as well. And I imagine you are not ok with Pelosi as Prez?

I'm thinking it might end this way: a negotiated solution with McConnell, wherein Pence resigns, Trump appoints someone acceptable to McConnell as VP, then the Senate votes to remove Trump if he doesn't resign. And probably the new President pardons everyone in sight.

barfo
 
ABM said:
Pardon for bringing Clinton into the discussion,
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Monica Lewinski and cigar gate are a bit different from our prez asking foreign countries to investigate his opposition in an election year....one is attempting to use foreign intel ops to discredit his competition and insulting American intelligence professionals.., the other is just a blowjob. Clinton didn't call a guy with Schiff's job a traitor or call George Bush Sr a traitor.
 
barfo said:
The problem that you have now is that Pence is in it up to his eyeballs as well. And I imagine you are not ok with Pelosi as Prez?

I'm thinking it might end this way: a negotiated solution with McConnell, wherein Pence resigns, Trump appoints someone acceptable to McConnell as VP, then the Senate votes to remove Trump if he doesn't resign. And probably the new President pardons everyone in sight.

barfo
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I think Trump will use his get out of trouble free pass and resign so he can start his new version of the Bill O'Reilly show. Trump would rather quit than be fired.
 
riverman said:
I think Trump will use his get out of trouble free pass and resign so he can start his new version of the Bill O'Reilly show. Trump would rather quit than be fired.
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Yes, that's true, but will his ego prevent him from accepting that they'd actually fire him?

barfo
 
barfo said:
The problem that you have now is that Pence is in it up to his eyeballs as well. And I imagine you are not ok with Pelosi as Prez?

I'm thinking it might end this way: a negotiated solution with McConnell, wherein Pence resigns, Trump appoints someone acceptable to McConnell as VP, then the Senate votes to remove Trump if he doesn't resign. And probably the new President pardons everyone in sight.

barfo
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Yep thats exactly whats going to happen. Isn't that basically what Ford did for Nixon?

Also Mitch is already claiming to block impeachment. He is worse than Trump by far, mostly because he is more competent.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/mitch-mcconnell-impeachment/index.html
 
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