In a parallel world

[Nikolokolus]

The table are turned: it's Rudy who committed the hard foul, and Ariza's the one in the hospital.

I want an honest answer: would you be calling Rudy scum, dirty, and all the other names you gave Ariza?

An honest answer please.

P.S If you're gonna say something like "well, rudy would never do something like that therefore there's no need to answer the question!!11 haha I win!!!111" don't even bother replying.

Since I already said it should have been a flagrant 1 and not a flagrant 2 I'd go with that, even if it was Rudy -- then again I don't have the man-crush on Rudy that some guys seem to have around here.

And for chrissakes, all this insistence on an 'honest answer' is pure bullshit, what you're really saying is 'answer the way I want you to, or it's an invalid opinion'

 

[Masbee]

The table are turned: it's Rudy who committed the hard foul, and Ariza's the one in the hospital.

I want an honest answer: would you be calling Rudy scum, dirty, and all the other names you gave Ariza?

An honest answer please.

P.S If you're gonna say something like "well, rudy would never do something like that therefore there's no need to answer the question!!11 haha I win!!!111" don't even bother replying.

Because of the weight differences and the laws of physics, Rudy can't have the same impact on Ariza that Ariza can have (and did) on Rudy.

Rudy's skinny, much smaller arms swiped across Ariza's arm likely wouldn't have even been able to pass through, let alone go through the right arm, rake across the head, bend the head to the side, and continue to follow through the left arm.

Rudy's attempt at a "hard message" foul in the situation would have been like the many players through the years that have attempted to wrap up Shaq - mostly having little effect.

 

[Spud147]

It's no fun if it's only the rational fans post here. I wanted some of the "OH NOES ARIZA IS SCUM SUSPEND HIM FOR A YEARRRRRR" crowd to come and justify their obvious homeristic response.

See the "justify their obvious homeristic response" statement is exactly where you go wrong and why you don't get "rational" here sometimes.

Weren't you the same poster who came over yesterday and was making fun of Rudy's "brittle bones" while he was actually still in the hospital?

While I don't think one of our players would do this you don't want that answer so I guess I would say I sure as hell wouldn't be over at the other team's forum making fun of it.

 

[Spud147]

And Toko, just as an FYI here are my first two posts right after the game. I think you will see that a lot of us were pretty rational about it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinobas
I think he got a stinger from the head blow, and the wind knocked out of him. A 185 pound guy crashing to the hard floor without football pads on has got to hurt. The straight board was probably just a procaution. He's probably going to be very bruised and will probably miss the Dallas game. (just my speculation).


Spud147: I thought neck injury right away when they said his face was numb but then he started moving his arms. I like your opinion much better!

Whatever it is, he's going to be hurting tomorrow... I don't think there was any intent to hurt Rudy but he fell HARD! I knew it was bad when the camera caught the look on Pau's face.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinwheel1
I think he wanted to hurt him in the heat of the moment type of way that happens win you are frustrated that you are getting your ass kicked. I doubt he wanted to injure him, but "hurt".....he swung pretty hard.


Spud147: That's what I saw too. Trevor was frustrated and he made a really reckless play. He meant to make Rudy hurt (as in ouch) but didn't want to hurt him (as in injury). I almost felt a little sorry for that Laker fan they showed leaving the Rose Garden... I just thought, "Buddy, you probably want take the jersey off and run to your car".

I'm glad we have a few weeks before we see the Lakers again this season. These teams obviously do not like each other and need to go to their respective corners and cool down for a while. I like intensity but I don't want to see a fight/suspension mess up our play off hunt.

 

[STOMP]

The table are turned: it's Rudy who committed the hard foul, and Ariza's the one in the hospital.

I want an honest answer: would you be calling Rudy scum, dirty, and all the other names you gave Ariza?

An honest answer please.

I usually side with the victim of a flagrant foul and this time wouldn't be an exception regardless of what jersey might be worn. In fact well before this foul I've stated my support for a rule change suspending the flagrant fouler if the other player is injured until the player sees the court again. This could have a 5 or 10 game cap on it, but the idea would be to have guys using discretion on the court and looking after the games best interest of keeping everyone healthy and playing. I've nothing against a hard foul, putting someone's health at risk is another matter.

On this particular play I thought it was dirty because I don't believe it's okay to commit a hard foul on a guy from behind when he's airborne. It should be on the trailing defender to avoid contact which to my eyes was not what Ariza was trying to do. If he was he would have used his near hand to the ball (his left) and reached around Fernandez rather then using his right to swing across his head/body. I buy Ariza's claim as unintentional as much as I buy the latest shrug from Bruce Bowen. The way he went after the ball, contact had to be expected. And he absolutely had to know that his arm had crushed Rudy's head. That he had caused a major collision causing Rudy to crash... but instead of concern he turns away and struts. That this dangerous play was made down 28 points in the last seconds of the 3rd only highlights how unnecessary it was.

here is the LA broadcast of it...

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from the first moment they are claiming Trevor is an innocent soul and Rudy is somehow at fault for the way he jumped.

"It's all about how he fell because he got the basketball"
"Trevor Ariza was playing the basketball, there is no question"

In the subsequent analyzing of the multiple replays, not once to they acknowledge that Ariza's wild swing snaps Rudy's head forward or that he grabs his wrist after.

So shoe is on the other foot, do you think this incredible broadcast might just have something to do with the Laker fan takes we are hearing?

STOMP

 

[Toko]

You bet your ass I would. A dirty play is a dirty play.

So you would be calling your own team's player "scum, dirty, low-life etc" and wanting him off the team?

Man, and I though mixum was the shitty fan.

 

[Toko]

from the first moment they are claiming Trevor is an innocent soul and Rudy is somehow at fault for the way he jumped.

"It's all about how he fell because he got the basketball"
"Trevor Ariza was playing the basketball, there is no question"

In the subsequent analyzing of the multiple replays, not once to they acknowledge that Ariza's wild swing snaps Rudy's head forward or that he grabs his wrist after.

So shoe is on the other foot, do you think this incredible broadcast might just have something to do with the Laker fan takes we are hearing?

STOMP

Broadcasters are supposed to be homers. Listen to your own, they were shouting "HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED!!111", then, after reviewing it, it was "well, he was going for the ball, BUT HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED ANYWAYZ111!!!".

 

[maxiep]

So you would be calling your own team's player "scum, dirty, low-life etc" and wanting him off the team?

Man, and I though mixum was the shitty fan.

I've called our own players scum (Qyntel Woods), dirty (Ruben Patterson) and low lifes (Zach Randolph). And yes, I wanted them off our team. However, I've never called for the L*kers to dump Ariza. I think he fits in well with the collection of rapists, druggies and Laimbeer wannabe's on your team.

And as a L*ker fan, what are you doing off of your cell phone?

 

[maxiep]

Broadcasters are supposed to be homers. Listen to your own, they were shouting "HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED!!111", then, after reviewing it, it was "well, he was going for the ball, BUT HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED ANYWAYZ111!!!".

No they're not. Listen to the Clippers guys. They're supportive, yet realistic and well informed.

 

[Toko]

No they're not. Listen to the Clippers guys. They're supportive, yet realistic and well informed.

It's kinda impossible being a homer about the clippers....even their broadcasters realize they suck.

 

[BlazersBlood]

If Rudy acted like a punk ass bitch after injuring somebody, I'd feel ashamed he was a Blazer. And if Ariza was carted off on a stretcher I'd be genuinely concerned for his health.

 

[maxiep]

It's kinda impossible being a homer about the clippers....even their broadcasters realize they suck.

Actually, the worse the team, the easier it is to be a homer. After all, if your team is really good, it's not being a homer to compliment them. Listen to Pete Pranica announce a Memphis game sometime. You'll wonder why they're not already crowned champions.

It seems this forum is a bit too advanced for you. I think you need a more remedial place. Try this one: www.lakersground.net

 

[maxiep]

If Rudy acted like a punk ass bitch after injuring somebody, I'd feel ashamed he was a Blazer. And if Ariza was carted off on a stretcher I'd be genuinely concerned for his health.

Exactly. And you've seen NONE of that on the L*ker forums.

 

[Toko]

Exactly. And you've seen NONE of that on the L*ker forums.

Again, Ariza had no time to do anything after he landed because Roy was on him. Maybe if Roy was not such a shitty teammate that he didn't even check Rudy, Ariza would have done so instead.

 

[Toko]

www.lakersground.net

Appreciate your concern, but I don't like it much there. For example, over there, I wouldn't be able to call you *edited: You can't make personal attacks here, either*

 

[andalusian]

So you would be calling your own team's player "scum, dirty, low-life etc" and wanting him off the team?

Man, and I though mixum was the shitty fan.

I do not think that Ariza is a scum, dirty, low-life (but he did receive the F-2 which he deserved on this stupid play) - but I most certainly have had aversion to most of the real Jail-Blazers era Blazers - if Rudy or any other Blazers player is a scum it would be idiotic of me not to acknowledge it.

Bonzi Wells was scum, Q-Wood was scum, Rasheed was an idiot, Z-Bo was an idiot, Damon was an idiot - to ignore their acts and behave as if they were not the scum or idiots that they were would be... well, stupid.

Just like it would be to ignore the big question mark of Kobe's past, Odom's fake thuggery or pretend that Ariza's foul was not dangerous and that his behavior after it was not moronic.

 

[STOMP]

Broadcasters are supposed to be homers. Listen to your own, they were shouting "HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED!!111", then, after reviewing it, it was "well, he was going for the ball, BUT HE SHOULD BE SUSPENDED ANYWAYZ111!!!".

thanks for not answering my question after I took the time to answer yours... I'll know better next time

STOMP

 

[Toko]

I usually side with the victim of a flagrant foul and this time wouldn't be an exception regardless of what jersey might be worn. In fact well before this foul I've stated my support for a rule change suspending the flagrant fouler if the other player is injured until the player sees the court again. This could have a 5 or 10 game cap on it, but the idea would be to have guys using discretion on the court and looking after the games best interest of keeping everyone healthy and playing. I've nothing against a hard foul, putting someone's health at risk is another matter.

If that's the case, why even attempt a hard foul? hey, the guy might land awkwardly, and before you know it, you are suspended for 5-10 games. Bad idea.

On this particular play I thought it was dirty because I don't believe it's okay to commit a hard foul on a guy from behind when he's airborne. It should be on the trailing defender to avoid contact which to my eyes was not what Ariza was trying to do. If he was he would have used his near hand to the ball (his left) and reached around Fernandez rather then using his right to swing across his head/body. I buy Ariza's claim as unintentional as much as I buy the latest shrug from Bruce Bowen. The way he went after the ball, contact had to be expected. And he absolutely had to know that his arm had crushed Rudy's head. That he had caused a major collision causing Rudy to crash... but instead of concern he turns away and struts. That this dangerous play was made down 28 points in the last seconds of the 3rd only highlights how unnecessary it was.

Sorry, you can't just assume Ariza had a "dirty" intent when even your own commentators stated he was going for the ball. Are you basically saying when a player is airborn, he shouldn't be touched?

 

[Spud147]

thanks for not answering my question after I took the time to answer yours... I'll know better next time

STOMP

My feelings exactly, he just skipped over my two "reasonable" posts... I realize now that he's not really looking for "reasonable" exchange he just wants to continue to the same stuff as yesterday. I don't even know why I gave him the benefit of a doubt. That took about 5 minutes of my life I can't get back after responding to what I thought was a legitimate (albeit poorly phrased) question.

On that note, it's game day and we're playing Dallas... GO BLAZERS!!!

 

[Toko]

My feelings exactly, he just skipped over my two "reasonable" posts... I realize now that he's not really looking for "reasonable" exchange he just wants to continue to the same stuff as yesterday. I don't even know why I gave him the benefit of a doubt. That took about 5 minutes of my life I can't get back after responding to what I thought was a legitimate (albeit poorly phrased) question.

On that note, it's game day and we're playing Dallas... GO BLAZERS!!!

You didn't ask me anything.

 

[PapaG]

The table are turned: it's Rudy who committed the hard foul, and Ariza's the one in the hospital.

I want an honest answer: would you be calling Rudy scum, dirty, and all the other names you gave Ariza?

An honest answer please.

P.S If you're gonna say something like "well, rudy would never do something like that therefore there's no need to answer the question!!11 haha I win!!!111" don't even bother replying.

I want an honest answer. What the f**k were you thinking when you posted the comment in my signature? YOU started this to some degree.

 

[PapaG]

It's no fun if it's only the rational fans post here. I wanted some of the "OH NOES ARIZA IS SCUM SUSPEND HIM FOR A YEARRRRRR" crowd to come and justify their obvious homeristic response.

I want you to justify the comment in my signature before you start playing the victim.

 

[STOMP]

Again, Ariza had no time to do anything after he landed because Roy was on him. Maybe if Roy was not such a shitty teammate that he didn't even check Rudy, Ariza would have done so instead.

Please reread the quote you were responding to. He said ..."you've seen NONE of that on the L*ker forums"... referring to concern from Laker posters for Rudy's well being. I actually went over there this morning to poke around and saw one poster repeatedly expressed concern for Rudy in the game thread when it was happening so...

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

I PM'd Toko to try and get an answer to the question that he has ignored at least three times in this thread.

 

[STOMP]

If that's the case, why even attempt a hard foul? hey, the guy might land awkwardly, and before you know it, you are suspended for 5-10 games. Bad idea.

Sorry, you can't just assume Ariza had a "dirty" intent when even your own commentators stated he was going for the ball. Are you basically saying when a player is airborn, he shouldn't be touched?

good grief... thats just sad

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

In a parallel world, the Blazers seemingly don't have a big enough douche bag on their roster to pull off a foul like that and then gloat about it in the immediate aftermath while the opponent is laid out on the floor.

Meanwhile, the Lakers have Odom, one of the bigger douches in the league, and Ariza, who seems to be learning the art of being douchey from master Odom. So it's a stupid question and a stupid thread.

 

[Tortimer]

I want an honest answer. What the f**k were you thinking when you posted the comment in my signature? YOU started this to some degree.

I'm not for banning people but putting something this stupid in a signature without there ok with even knowing how you would feel about it is just wrong. I can't believe he is still here.

If he put that is my sig I'm out of here and never checking the forum again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RR7]

Are you saying it's wrong to quote people in your signature without their ok?

 

[PapaG]

I'm not for banning people but putting something this stupid in a signature without there ok with even knowing how you would feel about it is just wrong. I can't believe he is still here.

If he put that is my sig I'm out of here and never checking the forum again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's wrong of me to quote a public post in my signature? WTF?

BTW, he answered my PM, and I just asked him for permission to post it in the public forum.

 

[Toko]

Please reread the quote you were responding to. He said ..."you've seen NONE of that on the L*ker forums"... referring to concern from Laker posters for Rudy's well being. I actually went over there this morning to poke around and saw one poster repeatedly expressed concern for Rudy in the game thread when it was happening so...

STOMP

I don't hand around much in LG these days, so I'll have to take your word for it.

Honestly though, my own impression is that if any Lakers got hurt, there would be more than a few posters here gloating.