In the Navy!

[crandc]

Just curious, would your father have shared the same sentiments?

My father, 92 years old and still kicking, absolutely would. After my mother died my father remarried a woman who among other items in her bio was a volunteer counselor at the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center.

Considering my father has a lesbian daughter, lesbian niece by marriage, lesbian niece in law, late gay nephew, surviving gay nephew, gay nephew in law (and I may be leaving somebody out!), bigotry is not "kosher" in our family.

 

[Denny Crane]

My father, 92 years old and still kicking, absolutely would. After my mother died my father remarried a woman who among other items in her bio was a volunteer counselor at the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center.

Considering my father has a lesbian daughter, lesbian niece by marriage, lesbian niece in law, late gay nephew, surviving gay nephew, gay nephew in law (and I may be leaving somebody out!), bigotry is not "kosher" in our family.

Something about those genes says "death" to some branches on your family tree

 

[crandc]

Denny, you are assuming that gays don't reproduce and straights always do. Not the case! Our gene pool is fine, thank you. And the world's population is 7 billion and counting so we could argue not reproducing is more adaptive.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Weak sauce. Lame excuses.

Those are the exact same things - readiness, etc. - that racist assholes used to try to keep the army from being integrated in the 1940s. The proof is in the pudding, though. Plenty ready.

If anything, the military has been lowering its standards because they're having trouble recruiting. Well, there's 35M+ ready, willing, and able bodied soles who'd throw themselves on a grenade to save your sorry ass. They happen to be gay, tough.

ok, Denny

I can see that this is a subject that you are not well versed..let me share a few facts

the standards are much higher

the services are being down sized

promotions are harder to qualify for, and if passed over a few times, that service member will be released at the end of their current enlistment

there are many combat proven troops that would love to stay in and get their twenty in that are being forced to return to civilian life, both officers and enlisted

also, the gay/ straight thing has very little effect in most cases. where it has caused some issues has been with the small percentage that they must flaunt their sexual preferance..that has made the shared showers/bathroom settings uncomfortable for some.

 

[Denny Crane]

ok, Denny

I can see that this is a subject that you are not well versed..let me share a few facts

the standards are much higher

the services are being down sized

promotions are harder to qualify for, and if passed over a few times, that service member will be released at the end of their current enlistment

there are many combat proven troops that would love to stay in and get their twenty in that are being forced to return to civilian life, both officers and enlisted

also, the gay/ straight thing has very little effect in most cases. where it has caused some issues has been with the small percentage that they must flaunt their sexual preferance..that has made the shared showers/bathroom settings uncomfortable for some.

Looks like high unemployment has driven people desperate for work to try to enlist. This is a recent change, fine.

The fact is the Navy is going to give gay sailors 10 days' leave to go to a state where their marriage can be legally performed, and then the Federal Government is going to fully recognize the marriages.

Odds are at least 1 in 10 guys I've shared a locker room or public shower with was gay. I am unharmed. I would still be unharmed if I knew who they were.

Liberty and Justice for ALL.

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny, you are assuming that gays don't reproduce and straights always do. Not the case! Our gene pool is fine, thank you. And the world's population is 7 billion and counting so we could argue not reproducing is more adaptive.

You know it was a joke, right?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Looks like high unemployment has driven people desperate for work to try to enlist. This is a recent change, fine.

The fact is the Navy is going to give gay sailors 10 days' leave to go to a state where their marriage can be legally performed, and then the Federal Government is going to fully recognize the marriages.

Odds are at least 1 in 10 guys I've shared a locker room or public shower with was gay. I am unharmed. I would still be unharmed if I knew who they were.

Liberty and Justice for ALL.

cool beans, Denny, just wanted to give you some facts and the current POV by actual service members, not just some pulled out of your ass talking points that you can troll with lol

 

[crandc]

Not sure, Denny.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The Naval Officer in the Village People was the only one who wasn't gay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Willis

 

[Denny Crane]

Not sure, Denny.

Yeah. Seems like the people you listed hit the lucky numbers at the genetics Keno game.

Except for the in-laws.

 

[crandc]

I only recently learned my childhood babysitter is a lesbian.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

What's to keep them from getting the same arrangement with a woman?

I saw a lot of guys get married for the off-base housing and extra pay. Lots of divorces, which she typically gets half. There might be more trust with a same sex partner.

As for the 77% number MarAzul threw out, I do not think that many people care. We had gay sailors bring there boyfriends to the barracks frequently. A couple of people might have had issue, but said nothing if the guy was not a slug.

 

[crandc]

Of course you are right, CharcoalFiltered, that few care. Like most bigots MarAzul falls on his face due to facts. A majority in the country now support marriage equality. In every region but the Deep South marriage equality has majority support. The right to serve openly in the military has even greater support. A year after repeal of "don't ask don't tell" a survey was taken among all the services to assess the impact. The result can be summed up as a big fat nothing. Some personnel came out, many of their mates were unsurprised, end of story. Not really astonishing; officers tend to be older but enlisted personnel mostly are millennials who grew up seeing gay characters on TV and movies, knowing out LGBT people, having a Gay-Straight Alliance in high school, etc. Not that bigotry does not exist even among millenials but it's way less than previous generations. Mostly they think it's just no big deal. Including among those who join the services.

 

[magnifier661]

Not to mention same arguments used against women.

I don't know where MarAzul served but as I said my mother did serve in the Navy and as I said she would be proud. And welcoming of her LGBT shipmates. MarAzul has yet to show one atom of knowledge on any subject. Just another bigot obsessed with what others do sexually. Funny how the ones who despise us most can't stop thinking about us. Hmmmmmm.......

So you are for woman to fight on the front line?

 

[magnifier661]

Of course you are right, CharcoalFiltered, that few care. Like most bigots MarAzul falls on his face due to facts. A majority in the country now support marriage equality. In every region but the Deep South marriage equality has majority support. The right to serve openly in the military has even greater support. A year after repeal of "don't ask don't tell" a survey was taken among all the services to assess the impact. The result can be summed up as a big fat nothing. Some personnel came out, many of their mates were unsurprised, end of story. Not really astonishing; officers tend to be older but enlisted personnel mostly are millennials who grew up seeing gay characters on TV and movies, knowing out LGBT people, having a Gay-Straight Alliance in high school, etc. Not that bigotry does not exist even among millenials but it's way less than previous generations. Mostly they think it's just no big deal. Including among those who join the services.

Marzy may have fell flat on his face on social views; I find his take on military to heart. If you don't know; he was a navy seal and I suspect he's seen more combat than anyone in here.

So you can bash on him as a person and his belief, but honor what he did for your ability to speak your mind.

I can't believe the disrespect people have for what soldiers do for this country.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Marzy may have fell flat on his face on social views; I find his take on military to heart. If you don't know; he was a navy seal and I suspect he's seen more combat than anyone in here.

So you can bash on him as a person and his belief, but honor what he did for your ability to speak your mind.

I can't believe the disrespect people have for what soldiers do for this country.

naw man, I wanna be gay so only my opinion is valid , on any social issue....or for that matter, anything I form an opinion about..

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Marzy may have fell flat on his face on social views; I find his take on military to heart. If you don't know; he was a navy seal and I suspect he's seen more combat than anyone in here.

So you can bash on him as a person and his belief, but honor what he did for your ability to speak your mind.

I can't believe the disrespect people have for what soldiers do for this country.

I do not see how this is disrespecting anything he did in the service.

 

[magnifier661]

I do not see how this is disrespecting anything he did in the service.

When marzy is talking about what it takes to fight in war, then someone who obviously has no idea on the topic rants that he doesn't know what he's talking about, that is disrespectful.

This coming from a woman that wants equal rights about woman in military, then when I asked if she is okay with woman being in the front line; I get no response. It's a typical "have my cake and eat it too" statement.

I'm all for equal rights, but if you want it; then you better go all in. If a soldier has had experience with fighting in wars and having bullets wiz pass them; I take their word with more validity than some human rights group that probably never seen action.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Seems like a lot of issues are being combined here. I would say his perspective might be more narrow being in the small group of Seals, which would make crandc's assertion that he does not know what he is talking about valid.

 

[magnifier661]

Seems like a lot of issues are being combined here. I would say his perspective might be more narrow being in the small group of Seals, which would make crandc's assertion that he does not know what he is talking about valid.

One doesn't get to enlist right into navy seals. Most the time, they are already unlisted men that had many years in the field before applying.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

One doesn't get to enlist right into navy seals. Most the time, they are already unlisted men that had many years in the field before applying.

Yes, this is true. To say that they a very select few, is a vast understatement. Far above average on all accounts.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

While they do recruit from those that are enlisted, there is an age and pay grade restriction for entry. They are also limited to certain job descriptions once in the program. A lot of people congratulated me on the SEALS being the group that took out Bin Laden since I was Navy. Personally I consider them to work within the Navy, but an entire different branch.

When a SEAL gets ready for combat, it is no-shit combat that has a good chance of happening. When the other 99.9% get ready for combat, we practice fighting fires and control flooding that are rare. The SEAL program I have no problem with excluding women and from what I hear it does not take much to be excluded once in training. The other 99.9% are better prepared for combat with the largest base of cheap labor possible.

 

[crandc]

Well, gee, magnifier, I'm really sorry I did not reply in 5 minutes. Believe it or not some of us do not spend 24 hours a day on chat boards.

Do I think women should be on front lines in combat? Dude, they have been.
Actually I think men and women have an equal right to not be sent to meaningless wars.

I can honor the service of those who served and disagree with them. MarAzul may have been a good Navy SEAL but he has yet to post a coherent sentence.

And his service in no way invalidates my comment, that the overall affect of repealing don't ask don't tell was none and that a majority in the U.S. support both marriage equality and right of LGBT people to serve.

 

[magnifier661]

Well, gee, magnifier, I'm really sorry I did not reply in 5 minutes. Believe it or not some of us do not spend 24 hours a day on chat boards.

I didn't believe this possible!

Do I think women should be on front lines in combat? Dude, they have been.
Actually I think men and women have an equal right to not be sent to meaningless wars.

That wasn't the question. I asked if you believe that woman should fight in the front line. Didn't ask you if they have.

AND they just lifted the ban on front line positions, so I don't see where "They already have"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/women-in-combat_n_2535954.html

I can honor the service of those who served and disagree with them. MarAzul may have been a good Navy SEAL but he has yet to post a coherent sentence.

And his service in no way invalidates my comment, that the overall affect of repealing don't ask don't tell was none and that a majority in the U.S. support both marriage equality and right of LGBT people to serve.

You act as though this planet doesn't need a defense. Yes, in a perfect world, wars could be prevented. But this isn't a perfect world and many disagree and will fight to take away another's belief. So as much as war seems meaningless, it is a fact of life.

 

[crandc]

You act as though this planet doesn't need a defense. Yes, in a perfect world, wars could be prevented. But this isn't a perfect world and many disagree and will fight to take away another's belief. So as much as war seems meaningless, it is a fact of life.

The planet sure needs a defense, although not a military one.

And MarAzul still has yet to post a coherent comment.

 

[magnifier661]

The planet sure needs a defense, although not a military one.

And MarAzul still has yet to post a coherent comment.

How would you submit this "defense" that you claim can happen without military? I would love to know how you figured this out.

 

[Denny Crane]

Done deal.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-military-same-sex-full-benefits-20130814,0,5663697.story

Military same-sex couples to get full benefits

WASHINGTON — Same-sex military couples will qualify for full benefits, including government-provided healthcare and housing allowances, as long as they are legally married, under new rules announced by the Pentagon.

...

Hagel said in a memo that the requirement that same-sex couples be married was backed unanimously by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In theory, it will make it harder to qualify for benefits for military couples stationed in one of the 37 states where same-sex marriage is illegal.

But service members who are stationed in those states will be offered special leave so they can travel to one of the 13 states, plus the District of Columbia, that grant same-sex marriage licenses, the memo said.

 

[crandc]

When I think of "defending the planet" I am more likely to think of protecting the environment than invading Iraq.

Yes, as Denny says, done deal. Mozel tov to our troops tying the knot.

 

[magnifier661]

When I think of "defending the planet" I am more likely to think of protecting the environment than invading Iraq.

Yes, as Denny says, done deal. Mozel tov to our troops tying the knot.

So if we disarm in your perfect little world and protect the environment; who will stop other countries from invading us? You seem to think this is a common concept for all the world. I doubt 10% of it feels the way you do.

We have a lot of usable land and tons of buying power. If there was ever a chance to take our country over, it would happen quicker that a justice of the peace to tell you "I now pronounce you Lisa and Samantha".

What you believe in is good, unfortunately it's not a reality

 

[Denny Crane]

When I think of "defending the planet" I am more likely to think of protecting the environment than invading Iraq.

Yes, as Denny says, done deal. Mozel tov to our troops tying the knot.

Indeed. Mozel tov!