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jonnyboy said:
I realize this is a fun party and I’m not trying to shit on it, but are we acknowledging yet at this point that these are all ‘novel’ charges as admitted by the prosecutor himself and any of the last few presidents could have been easily charged with any of them under the same extremely vague definitions of the obscure laws they’ve dug up? Or are we just saying fuck it and celebrating that our side is bold enough to weaponize the justice system to interfere with an active election process because we don’t like the opposing candidate, disregarding the fact that it sets a horrifying precedent and our electoral process will never recover once this abuse of power has taken place?

That’s totally fine if so, I was just wondering if we’re acknowledging it yet or still putting on our scary goggles and pretending The Orange did something we’ve never seen before. I need to know so I can fit in at the party.
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This is some straight bullshit. That is all.
 
jonnyboy said:
I realize this is a fun party and I’m not trying to shit on it, but are we acknowledging yet at this point that these are all ‘novel’ charges as admitted by the prosecutor himself and any of the last few presidents could have been easily charged with any of them under the same extremely vague definitions of the obscure laws they’ve dug up? Or are we just saying fuck it and celebrating that our side is bold enough to weaponize the justice system to interfere with an active election process because we don’t like the opposing candidate, disregarding the fact that it sets a horrifying precedent and our electoral process will never recover once this abuse of power has taken place?

That’s totally fine if so, I was just wondering if we’re acknowledging it yet or still putting on our scary goggles and pretending The Orange did something we’ve never seen before. I need to know so I can fit in at the party.
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Last time I checked Al Gore didn't incite a riot or lie about election results for years while pilfering campaign funds and grifting voters over a hanging chad...he conceded and moved on...Hillary conceded and moved on...there's a graceful way to lose an election but that's not what this party is about...this one is about blatant accountability which is long overdue however you slice it. Enjoy the cleaning up of those who fabricated evidence and ruined the lives of innocent civil servants for political gain. Start there. I'm cheering for those civil election workers who were intimidated in their homes and those Capitol Police who faced unfair odds trying to protect democracy on Jan 6th, not some political party or president.. This isn't some spin gossip, this is history in the making.
 
riverman said:
Last time I checked Al Gore didn't incite a riot or lie about election results for years while pilfering campaign funds and grifting voters over a hanging chad...he conceded and moved on...Hillary conceded and moved on...there's a graceful way to lose an election but that's not what this party is about...this one is about blatant accountability which is long overdue however you slice it. Enjoy the cleaning up of those who fabricated evidence and ruined the lives of innocent civil servants for political gain. Start there. I'm cheering for those civil election workers who were intimidated in their homes and those Capitol Police who faced unfair odds trying to protect democracy on Jan 6th, not some political party or president.. This isn't some spin gossip, this is history in the making.
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The democrats you named, along with others and a complicit media, spent 4 years actively trying to remove a democratically elected president through outright lies and propaganda. Russiagate was fake, Mueller report found exactly nothing, Steele dossier was completely made up, the list goes on and on and on, day in and day out we had to listen to the elected officials and the media knowingly lie and push unverified fake accusations as fact. Now they are doing it again but trying to be ahead of the election curve. If you wanna pretend any of these charges are legit, then Adam Schiff should be in jail at this moment.
Also interesting, all the unsavory behavior people list off as justification when these indictments are brought up are never the actual charges against the orange person. The average liberal consumer seems to have a very difficult time actually explaining the actual charges and how they are applied in these cases, so they just don’t. They stick to the classics, inciting insurrection, etc. None of the things he’s currently being charged with. Most will even harken back to the fake Russia stories before they attempt to explain these vague indictments. It’s fun.
 
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jonnyboy said:
The democrats you named, along with others and a complicit media, spent 4 years actively trying to remove a democratically elected president through outright lies and propaganda. Russiagate was fake, Mueller report found exactly nothing, Steele dossier was completely made up, the list goes on and on and on, day in and day out we had to listen to the media lie about the next thing and the next thing, all of which were more lies on top of more lies. Now they are doing it again but trying to be ahead of the curve. If you wanna pretend any of these charges are legit, then Adam Schiff should be in jail at this moment.
Also interesting, all the unsavory behavior people list off as justification when these indictments are brought up are never the actual charges against the orange person. The average liberal consumer seems to have a very difficult time actually explaining the actual charges and how they are applied in these cases, so they just don’t. They stick to the classics, inciting insurrection, etc. None of the things he’s currently being charged with. Most will even harken back to the fake Russia stories before they attempt to explain these vague indictments. It’s fun.
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You clearly don't understand what Trump is being charged with? And you're homeschooling your kids? Good luck with that! Obstruction of justice, witness tampering, espionage act, racketeering, misuse of campaign funds...let's see, there are 91 counts...maybe you should read up on it. Jack Smith sure did. If you want justice in America..you first need to understand that the truth is the truth and not some illuminati QAnon baby eating pizza parlor Jim Jones fairytale. If any democrat has commited any comparable crimes...lock those fuckers up too...I don't see the world through a liberal vs conservative standoff...I see good guys and bad guys. Maybe you can explain to me why Schiff should be in jail or any other dem you have disdain for. Start there. Mueller is a lifelong republican as are most of the witnesses against Trump and his gang of 18....Trump has lost favor with almost everyone he appointed to cabinet positions and most of the military advisors except for the one who went to jail, Flynn
 
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riverman said:
You clearly don't understand what Trump is being charged with? And you're homeschooling your kids? Good luck with that! Obstruction of justice, witness tampering, espionage act, racketeering, misuse of campaign funds...let's see, there are 91 counts...maybe you should read up on it. Jack Smith sure did. If you want justice in America..you first need to understand that the truth is the truth and not some illuminati QAnon baby eating pizza parlor Jim Jones fairytale.
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You should research all the activities the last handful of presidents have engaged in, including the current, and realize they are the same if not worse than the former.

You should actually have some principles if you want to preach justice. It looks absolutely ridiculous to suddenly decide in the year 2023 you want to ride the high horse when it comes to political games, then proceed to do it with one eye covered. It’s just a joke. Your strong values fall apart when you cherry pick your villians.
 
jonnyboy said:
You should research all the activities the last handful of presidents have engaged in, including the current, and realize they are the same if not worse than the former.

You should actually have some principles if you want to preach justice. It looks absolutely ridiculous to suddenly decide in the year 2023 you want to ride the high horse when it comes to political games. It’s just a joke.
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It's no joke. You can poke fun at history and play whataboutism but reality is in check right now and the GOP is in a world of shit of their own making....dems have been getting ousted for years for blow jobs and dick picks....Trump is getting ousted for actual crimes against my country. I take that seriously and there's no pretending about it. We don't have time to joke. I'd love to be apolitical and relaxed about the state of the union but hey...I'm not living in a bubble.
 
jonnyboy said:
Also this was just shitty, unnecessary and irrelevant.
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I apologize but it was in response to your blanket condescension concerning people who support holding Trump accountable. You talk about being educated on a topic and how other's are pretending to know things for partisan reasons...that's also shitty and unnecessary and irrelevant...where you get your fuel for topics of controversy is a matter of choice as is homeschooling. I homeschooled all of my children as well as sending them to public school ..best of both worlds. As a retired teacher I encourage all parents to teach their kids at home as well as to seek out tutors and educators to advance their grasp of subjects the parents aren't necessarily well versed in..I believe it takes a village to raise a child.
 
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riverman said:
whataboutism
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This is a funny term the media has come up with and has managed to get people to parrot not knowing how ridiculous they sound. You do realize hypocrisy is a perfectly legitimate thing to point out in an argument, right? If I accost you for doing something I myself am guilty of, It is absolutely within decent form for you to point it out. Claiming “Whataboutism” is just falsely and lazily claiming someone’s rebuttal is no good. It doesn’t mean anything.
 
jonnyboy said:
Whataboutism much?
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first pedophile who popped into my mind....I wasn't comparing him to your unnamed pedophiles but I could compare him to certain members of the Catholic Church. Like I said...a bad guy is a bad guy ..doesn't matter what jersey he's wearing.
 
jonnyboy said:
This is a funny term the media has come up with and has managed to get people to parrot not knowing how ridiculous they sound. You do realize hypocrisy is a perfectly legitimate thing to point out in an argument, right? If I accost you for doing something I myself am guilty of, It is absolutely within decent form for you to point it out. Claiming “Whataboutism” is just falsely and lazily claiming someone’s rebuttal is no good. It doesn’t mean anything.
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Your whole counter to Trump's legal woes was purely whataboutism. What about the last few corrupt presidents that didn't get caught? Trump is in court facing the guy who tried war crimes in the Hague, not Tucker Carlson or Rachel Madow. You may not place much importance on the rule of law, but if you did, there's no excuse for Trump's conduct period...you don't need an advanced degree to see that truth. You and I should be in agreement about holding Trump accountable regardless of our political leanings. When that happens this country will start to become a "United States" again.
 
jonnyboy said:
I realize this is a fun party and I’m not trying to shit on it, but are we acknowledging yet at this point that these are all ‘novel’ charges as admitted by the prosecutor himself and any of the last few presidents could have been easily charged with any of them under the same extremely vague definitions of the obscure laws they’ve dug up? Or are we just saying fuck it and celebrating that our side is bold enough to weaponize the justice system to interfere with an active election process because we don’t like the opposing candidate, disregarding the fact that it sets a horrifying precedent and our electoral process will never recover once this abuse of power has taken place?

That’s totally fine if so, I was just wondering if we’re acknowledging it yet or still putting on our scary goggles and pretending The Orange did something we’ve never seen before. I need to know so I can fit in at the party.
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What other president participated in a failed insurrection or called states telling them to cheat for votes?
 
jonnyboy said:
The democrats you named, along with others and a complicit media, spent 4 years actively trying to remove a democratically elected president through outright lies and propaganda. Russiagate was fake, Mueller report found exactly nothing, Steele dossier was completely made up, the list goes on and on and on, day in and day out we had to listen to the elected officials and the media knowingly lie and push unverified fake accusations as fact. Now they are doing it again but trying to be ahead of the election curve. If you wanna pretend any of these charges are legit, then Adam Schiff should be in jail at this moment.
Also interesting, all the unsavory behavior people list off as justification when these indictments are brought up are never the actual charges against the orange person. The average liberal consumer seems to have a very difficult time actually explaining the actual charges and how they are applied in these cases, so they just don’t. They stick to the classics, inciting insurrection, etc. None of the things he’s currently being charged with. Most will even harken back to the fake Russia stories before they attempt to explain these vague indictments. It’s fun.
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US democracy has been downgraded 3 times since 2016 according to the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index.

First for allowing Russian medling in the 2016 election.

Second, in 2019 for the Whitehouse refusing to turn over information Congress requested.

Then the final time, due to Jan 6th, US democracy was downgraded from a full democracy to a "flawed democracy".

This didn't happen under other presidents.
 
Should I be playing Georgia on my Mind or I Fought the Law?
 
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