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...I know a lot of people have brought up Drew as a replacement, but overall, I think I'd rather go after Lowrie. Jed's career numbers are essentially the same as Drew's but Lowrie does not strike out as often and will likely not cost nearly as much considering that Boston will try to retain Drew and keep him away from the Yanx, and because Boras is his agent. Lowrie, on the other hand, is arbi-eligible and Oakland may consider dealing him.
...Lowrie is also a switch hitter.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I know a lot of people have brought up Drew as a replacement, but overall, I think I'd rather go after Lowrie. Jed's career numbers are essentially the same as Drew's but Lowrie does not strike out as often and will likely not cost nearly as much considering that Boston will try to retain Drew and keep him away from the Yanx, and because Boras is his agent. Lowrie, on the other hand, is arbi-eligible and Oakland may consider dealing him.
...Lowrie is also a switch hitter.
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Good call on Lowrie. Though he & Drew are pretty equal as hitters Lowrie as you mentioned is a switch hitter & although he is primarily a ss he has played all infield positions & wouldn't be a bad choice to replace A-Rod if he's suspended for the entire 2014 season. In his 1st full season this past year he hit 15/75/290 with an OBP of .344

More importantly as you pointed out he would come with a lot cheaper price tag then Drew. Drew earned 9.5M this past season compared to Lowrie who only made 2.4M.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I know a lot of people have brought up Drew as a replacement, but overall, I think I'd rather go after Lowrie. Jed's career numbers are essentially the same as Drew's but Lowrie does not strike out as often and will likely not cost nearly as much considering that Boston will try to retain Drew and keep him away from the Yanx, and because Boras is his agent. Lowrie, on the other hand, is arbi-eligible and Oakland may consider dealing him.
...Lowrie is also a switch hitter.
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If he is arbi-eligible, he can't be counted on... if he isn't offered arbi and becomes a FA, he is a great option, but until that happens, he isn't really an option...
 
Hammerojustice said:
If he is arbi-eligible, he can't be counted on... if he isn't offered arbi and becomes a FA, he is a great option, but until that happens, he isn't really an option...
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...whether or not he is arbi-eligible doesn't mean he can't still be traded, and that's why I said Oakland may be willing to "deal him".

...Cashman can at least pick up the phone and ask...and you can't get anything unless you ask for it.
 
OK,

Offensively, Lowrie has only hit over .280 in 2 seasons but does walk a lot (OBP only under .300 1 season) and isn't a threat to steal
Defensively, Lowrie in his 1st season in which he was an every day player committed 18 errors... 16 at short in 119 games and 2 at 2B in 24 games... 2011 he played 49 games at SS and had 10 errors (5 errors at 3B in 33 games too)

Drew has been an everyday player in 5 of his seasons
Offensively, Drew has has 2 seasons where he's hit over .280, also walks a fair amount (OBP never under .300) and isn't a threat to steal either...
Defensively, Drew has never once had 18 errors in a season... the most came in his sophomore season in which he had 17 in 147 games...

We would obviously prefer a healthy Jeter.... Jeter (who isn't the greatest defensive SS in the game) only had 18 or more 4 times in his 19 seasons... 1996 with 22 (in 157 games), 1997 with 18 (in 159 games), 2000 with 24 (in 148 games), and 2007 with 18 (in 155 games)

If Jeter isn't fully capable to play, I'd rather have the one less likely to be committing errors...
 
...I used CAREER stats....and I used them for a reason...offensively, they are very close.

...and first you said Lowrie would be a "great option", but now he's not?...I don't get it.
 
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...regarding Jeter, the ONLY reason he may be at SS next year is because his name is is Derek Sanderson Jeter and he will be in his option year, an extra year that he should not have been given in the first place. Defensively, he's one of the worst SSs in Baseball. In his last full year he had the worst DWAR of any full time SS in the game. And I don't think he can be counted on to play 130 - 140- 150 games next year and I doubt he sniffs a .300 BA and I doubt he will have much power next year either.
...I love the guy, but he has no range, and many of the balls that other SSs are charged with errors, Jeter wouldn't even be able to get to, so he doesn't even get a chance to make the same errors. Like I said, if DJ wasn't still under contract I don't think the Yanx would bring him back again, at least not as an every day player or a SS
...I'd much rather have either Drew or Lowry going into next year than crossing my fingers with either Jeter or Ryan.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...I used CAREER stats....and I used them for a reason...offensively, they are very close.

...and first you said Lowrie would be a "great option", but now he's not?...I don't get it.
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great option, but Drew is better
 
...why, because he batted .291 way back in 2008 but has been essentially a .250 hitter since then?


...I understand that you like Drew and I do too but I don't agree with the hand picked stats you used to show why. I originally used career stats but you decided to break it down further by pointing to how many times both players had batted ".280" or better...but Drew has not batted .280 in the last 5 years. And what a player did 5 years ago is not a good barometer of the player as he is today...see Jeter, ARod. Tex, CC, et al.
 
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^^^ thanx rick, and that's exactly where I got my career stats from, and like I said, I like Drew too. Hell, both he and his Brother played their high school ball just south of here. But all things considered, and as you also pointed out, Lowrie will likely not cost nearly as much...plus, I like the fact that he's a switch hitter.
 
Rick2583 said:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/drewst01.shtml


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lowrije01.shtml


2013 salaries = Lowrie 2.4M, Drew 9.5M
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yankeesince59 said:
^^^ thanx rick, and that's exactly where I got my career stats from, and like I said, I like Drew too. Hell, both he and his Brother played their high school ball just south of here. But all things considered, and as you also pointed out, Lowrie will likely not cost nearly as much...plus, I like the fact that he's a switch hitter.
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Well, the way I see it, (if both were even agreeable to come to the Yankees) and as it was pointed out, offensive numbers are comprable to each other, but you'll be paying just over 7.1M less (based on the above 2013 numbers) for someone who is defensively inferior to the other... it'll come down to do the yankees want a defensive liability & be more realistic in meeting the "goal" of being under $189M or pay a little more for someone who is defensively better and be further from reality in meeting that "goal" of $189M... $7.1M savings is tempting... I don't know what the brass will do on this though as they have been somewhat unpredictable...
 
...if SS was the only hole that needs to be filled it would be a different story...but another $7 Mil or so can be used in other areas. As fle ar as Lowrie being defensively inferior, the difference is negligible and IMO, certainly does not warrant an extra $7 mil for that facet of the game alone.


...I also see Lowrie as the more versatile player. In addition to playing SS, he's spent time at 3B, 2B, and 1B...which could be important considering the uncertainty surrounding ARod, Jeter, and Cano, and Tex. Drew has never played any position but SS. And if you sign Drew, what do you do with him next year if Jeter returns healthy and plays well? I certainly would not lock up the DH spot with Jeter every game.

...will the Yanx sign either Drew or Lowrie?...I don't know, but I'd say the odds are probably less than 50% on both players.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...if SS was the only hole that needs to be filled it would be a different story...but another $7 Mil or so can be used in other areas. As fle ar as Lowrie being defensively inferior, the difference is negligible and IMO, certainly does not warrant an extra $7 mil for that facet of the game alone.


...I also see Lowrie as the more versatile player. In addition to playing SS, he's spent time at 3B, 2B, and 1B...which could be important considering the uncertainty surrounding ARod, Jeter, and Cano, and Tex. Drew has never played any position but SS. And if you sign Drew, what do you do with him next year if Jeter returns healthy and plays well? I certainly would not lock up the DH spot with Jeter every game.

...will the Yanx sign either Drew or Lowrie?...I don't know, but I'd say the odds are probably less than 50% on both players.
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I don't agree that the difference defensively is negligible, but I'll move on...

Assuming they get Lowrie, what contract would you see happening? years/$ etc. If it were Drew, same question...

Who else is worthy of being looked at? According to http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/2014-mlb-free-agents.html there list is:

Clint Barmes (35)
Willie Bloomquist (36)
Jamey Carroll (40)
Alexi Casilla (29)
Stephen Drew (31)
Yunel Escobar (31) - $5MM club option
Rafael Furcal (36)
Alex Gonzalez (36)
Cesar Izturis (34)
Derek Jeter (40) - $8MM+ player option with a $3MM buyout
John McDonald (39)
Jhonny Peralta (32)
Brendan Ryan (32)
 
...but the difference in defense is negligible...not sure why you picked errors as a barometer for judging defense but I'll go with it....you're talking about the difference in 8 errors, and of those 8 errors how many do you suppose resulted in unearned runs?...and of those 8 errors how many do you suppose resulted in costing the team a game? Most errors are not catastrophic.

...if you want to gauge overall defense, Drew's career defensive WAR is 4.8....Lowry's is 4.6, so yes, it is in fact "negligible".




...but I do agree that there's not much out there as far as SSs go...which is why both Boston and Oakland will likely keep both Drew and Lowrie because they would be hard to replace if either were to leave.
 
...fwiw, I am not looking forward to the possibility of having Brendan Ryan playing SS next year.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...fwiw, I am not looking forward to the possibility of having Brendan Ryan playing SS next year.
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For late inning defense I'd keep Ryan but 3-400 ABs, no f'king way.

I don't know what he'd give you without the roids but maybe someone like Peralta might be worth a look. He's a FA, earned only 6M last season & would cover 2 needs SS & 3rd base.
 
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...that's what scares me...if Jeter can play 120-130 at SS and hit .270 or better, I'd be tickled to death...if he can't, the Yanx will have a huge offensive void at SS with Ryan...and I always liked Peralta.
 
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