Interesting Observance.......

[ABM]

Yes. The Second Amendment was meant to keep the citizenry on a par with the government as far as weaponry was concerned, to prevent tyrrany.

Better now to ask why our government has arms we don't.

Absolutely. I'll get right on that.

 

[magnifier661]

I like HCP's observation. Obviously not a scientific poll and he is just giving a broad kind of feel from all the posts he reads . . . but I see where he is going and agree with the trends he sees.

Funny because global warming is a science issue, but (in general) politicians seems to divide along party lines when it comes to this topic. Gun control and party lines . . I'm assuming there is a correlation there too with republican falling more on the side of less gun control than what democrats want.

So in a way, our little OT forum is a microcosm of society at large.

But Maris is liberal and atheist. Denny is conservative and agnostic. I'm a bit liberal but many conservative and Christian. But all of us agree that gun control is out of hand. How is there any similarities?

 

[magnifier661]

Absolutely. I'll get right on that.

You think we shouldn't have the right to bear arms?

 

[RR7]

You think we shouldn't have the right to bear arms?

I'll say some people shouldn't have the right to bare arms.

 

[magnifier661]

I'll say some people shouldn't have the right to bare arms.

Yeah I guess that's true.

 

[Denny Crane]

But Maris is liberal and atheist. Denny is conservative and agnostic. I'm a bit liberal but many conservative and Christian. But all of us agree that gun control is out of hand. How is there any similarities?

I'm not conservative.

I'm more actual Liberal than most. Liberal doesn't mean big government, it means Liberty first. I bet Maris agrees with me more than not.

 

[ABM]

You think we shouldn't have the right to bear arms?

When did I ever say that??

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not conservative.

I'm more actual Liberal than most. Liberal doesn't mean big government, it means Liberty first. I bet Maris agrees with me more than not.

So that's what's wrong with you?!?!

 

[magnifier661]

When did I ever say that??

You don't have to

 

[ABM]

You don't have to

To be clear, I trust our "elected" government. That said, I think they should (to some degree) have badder big-boy toys than the general citizenship.

 

[magnifier661]

To be clear, I trust our "elected" government. That said, I think they should (to some degree) have badder big-boy toys than the general citizenship.

I don't trust any elected government. Questioning the government is our power. We should always be aware of their decisions and how it effects out society.

 

[ABM]

I don't trust any elected government. Questioning the government is our power. We should always be aware of their decisions and how it effects out society.

That's fine. I still believe they should have the bigger, badder toys. I'm glad they're there to protect me when necessary. I'll take that any day over the (fill in the blank here) alternatives.

 

[magnifier661]

That's fine. I still believe they should have the bigger, badder toys. I'm glad they're there to protect me when necessary. I'll take that any day over the (fill in the blank here) alternatives.

Don't get me wrong. I love America and I've visited over 20 countries. By far ours is the best. But the safety of this country is also knowing the civilians can bear arms.

 

[ABM]

Don't get me wrong. I love America and I've visited over 20 countries. By far ours is the best. But the safety of this country is also knowing the civilians can bear arms.

Of course! And, I never have disagreed with that notion. Again, I was responding to MARIS who seems to think we should have the same weapons as our protectors. To that, I disagree wholeheartedly.

 

[magnifier661]

Of course! And, I never have disagreed with that notion. Again, I was responding to MARIS who seems to think we should have the same weapons as our protectors. To that, I disagree wholeheartedly.

Yeah that's pretty insane! I could imagine if we had the ability to carry a few pink slips to some Sherman's!

 

[ABM]

Yeah that's pretty insane! I could imagine if we had the ability to carry a few pink slips to some Sherman's!

Something like that.

 

[Denny Crane]

A true story.

In WW II, a bunch of Africans defeated a Nazi tank, even though they were armed only with sticks.

How could men armed only with sticks defeat a tank, you ask?

They rushed the tank and flipped it over. When the Nazis crawled out, they beat them with the sticks.

Sure they lost some men in the process, but they won.

The moral of the story is we don't need bigger badder weapons than the govt. we might lose some people, but we will flip all the tanks. There's 310 million of us and 2 million in the armed forces.

We don't want to be armed only with sticks in this scenario. Handguns, rifles, and IEDs will do. But not if govt. takes everything away.

But I don't think we ultimately will be attacked en masse by the govt. we might want to rebel when tax rates hit 90% on everyone.

And I think the right to bear arms is more about self defense in the absence of govt. like during the 30 minutes between your 911 call and the cops showing up.

 

[ABM]

And I think the right to bear arms is more about self defense in the absence of govt. like during the 30 minutes between your 911 call and the cops showing up.

 

[RR7]

And I think the right to bear arms is more about self defense in the absence of govt. like during the 30 minutes between your 911 call and the cops showing up.

Why is it that a lot of supporters of the 2nd amendment both say it's cut and dry with what it says, but also like to make up their own interpretations of it, like this.

 

[THE HCP]

I love how the Stanford guy got all angry at me...... quoting my original posts ...... blah blah blah. Sorry I made such broad generalizations, what was I thinking. I think if you have common sense you got what I was posting.

All I was doing was stating that on this forum and in people I see in the news the same people who own guns and don't believe in global warming, also tend to believe in GOD and go to church. Am I wrong? They are also usually against gay marriage and abortion as well, right? I don't think these broad generalizations are that far off. Am I wrong?

You don't tend to see somebody who is against guns be FOR cutting down trees. Or somebody that's PRO abortion believes in GOD.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why is it that a lot of supporters of the 2nd amendment both say it's cut and dry with what it says, but also like to make up their own interpretations of it, like this.

A militia is citizens defending themselves in the absence of govt.

 

[RR7]

A militia is citizens defending themselves in the absence of govt.

If we all make up our own interpretations and meanings, then we add all new value to the constitution, yay!! I'm sure what the writers had in mind was people protecting their house from home invasions, absolutely.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I love how the Stanford guy got all angry at me...... quoting my original posts ...... blah blah blah. Sorry I made such broad generalizations, what was I thinking. I think if you have common sense you got what I was posting.

All I was doing was stating that on this forum and in people I see in the news the same people who own guns and don't believe in global warming, also tend to believe in GOD and go to church. Am I wrong? They are also usually against gay marriage and abortion as well, right? I don't think these broad generalizations are that far off. Am I wrong?

You don't tend to see somebody who is against guns be FOR cutting down trees. Or somebody that's PRO abortion believes in GOD.

I agree, some of the people in here would have a very rough time living in the NEP.

 

[ABM]

I agree, some of the people in here would have a very rough time living in the NEP.

I love NEP!!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I love NEP!!

It's honkies like you that are ruining NEP.

 

[THE HCP]

#crackersmack

 

[Denny Crane]

If we all make up our own interpretations and meanings, then we add all new value to the constitution, yay!! I'm sure what the writers had in mind was people protecting their house from home invasions, absolutely.

If you don't know what a militia is, just say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia

A militia (pron.: /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility. Some of the ways the term is used include:

* Defense activity or service, to protect a community, its territory, property, and laws.[2]
* A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.

(you can be a militia of one)

 

[ABM]

It's honkies like you that are ruining NEP.

NEP has never been finer. Who do you think you are, Fred Sanford?!

 

[RR7]

yeah, again, you want to make up your own interpretations, then good for you. I'm sure they were right in line with your thinking.

 

[THE HCP]

If you don't know what a militia is, just say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia

A militia (pron.: /mɨˈlɪʃə/),[1] generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility. Some of the ways the term is used include:


(you can be a militia of one)

I'm a militia of one against an army of stupidity whenever I come on here.