Interesting read.. What is a liberal (or, "I'm proud to say I'm a liberal")

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I know some here like to make that out to be a slur (and the media loves to do the same), and the tea party/conservative/right wing base has made it into almost an anti-American slur, but I saw this posted somewhere else.

I'll link at the bottom. But if you read it and you know any history, it should be obvious. Especially with the dated references.

I am also not saying this is proof of anything, but more that it's an interesting read. Well, for some it will be. Others I'm sure will pass it off as tripe.

Btw, the subject title is not a personal statement, as it is a title to the piece (which makes it super easy to google search).
September 14, 1960

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

But first, I would like to say what I understand the word "Liberal" to mean and explain in the process why I consider myself to be a "Liberal," and what it means in the presidential election of 1960.

In short, having set forth my view -- I hope for all time -- two nights ago in Houston, on the proper relationship between church and state, I want to take the opportunity to set forth my views on the proper relationship between the state and the citizen. This is my political credo:

I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

Our responsibility is not discharged by announcement of virtuous ends. Our responsibility is to achieve these objectives with social invention, with political skill, and executive vigor. I believe for these reasons that liberalism is our best and only hope in the world today. For the liberal society is a free society, and it is at the same time and for that reason a strong society. Its strength is drawn from the will of free people committed to great ends and peacefully striving to meet them. Only liberalism, in short, can repair our national power, restore our national purpose, and liberate our national energies. And the only basic issue in the 1960 campaign is whether our government will fall in a conservative rut and die there, or whether we will move ahead in the liberal spirit of daring, of breaking new ground, of doing in our generation what Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson did in their time of influence and responsibility.

Our liberalism has its roots in our diverse origins. Most of us are descended from that segment of the American population which was once called an immigrant minority. Today, along with our children and grandchildren, we do not feel minor. We feel proud of our origins and we are not second to any group in our sense of national purpose. For many years New York represented the new frontier to all those who came from the ends of the earth to find new opportunity and new freedom, generations of men and women who fled from the despotism of the czars, the horrors of the Nazis, the tyranny of hunger, who came here to the new frontier in the State of New York. These men and women, a living cross section of American history, indeed, a cross section of the entire world's history of pain and hope, made of this city not only a new world of opportunity, but a new world of the spirit as well.

Tonight we salute Governor and Senator Herbert Lehman as a symbol of that spirit, and as a reminder that the fight for full constitutional rights for all Americans is a fight that must be carried on in 1961.

Many of these same immigrant families produced the pioneers and builders of the American labor movement. They are the men who sweated in our shops, who struggled to create a union, and who were driven by longing for education for their children and for the children's development. They went to night schools; they built their own future, their union's future, and their country's future, brick by brick, block by block, neighborhood by neighborhood, and now in their children's time, suburb by suburb.

Tonight we salute George Meany as a symbol of that struggle and as a reminder that the fight to eliminate poverty and human exploitation is a fight that goes on in our day. But in 1960 the cause of liberalism cannot content itself with carrying on the fight for human justice and economic liberalism here at home. For here and around the world the fear of war hangs over us every morning and every night. It lies, expressed or silent, in the minds of every American. We cannot banish it by repeating that we are economically first or that we are militarily first, for saying so doesn't make it so. More will be needed than goodwill missions or talking back to Soviet politicians or increasing the tempo of the arms race. More will be needed than good intentions, for we know where that paving leads.

In Winston Churchill's words, "We cannot escape our dangers by recoiling from them. We dare not pretend such dangers do not exist."

And tonight we salute Adlai Stevenson as an eloquent spokesman for the effort to achieve an intelligent foreign policy. Our opponents would like the people to believe that in a time of danger it would be hazardous to change the administration that has brought us to this time of danger. I think it would be hazardous not to change. I think it would be hazardous to continue four more years of stagnation and indifference here at home and abroad, of starving the underpinnings of our national power, including not only our defense but our image abroad as a friend.

This is an important election -- in many ways as important as any this century -- and I think that the Democratic Party and the Liberal Party here in New York, and those who believe in progress all over the United States, should be associated with us in this great effort. The reason that Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman and Adlai Stevenson had influence abroad, and the United States in their time had it, was because they moved this country here at home, because they stood for something here in the United States, for expanding the benefits of our society to our own people, and the people around the world looked to us as a symbol of hope.

I think it is our task to re-create the same atmosphere in our own time. Our national elections have often proved to be the turning point in the course of our country. I am proposing that 1960 be another turning point in the history of the great Republic.

Some pundits are saying it's 1928 all over again. I say it's 1932 all over again. I say this is the great opportunity that we will have in our time to move our people and this country and the people of the free world beyond the new frontiers of the 1960s.

The speaker? John F Kennedy.

Can you imagine one of our politicians saying that today? Not only because it would be ridiculed by the media for not having any idea about stuff, but the "other side" would demand he apologize for whatever non-sense they could muster up.


It'd be neat to re-read some of Reagan's speeches of a similar tone, and how if they were said by a modern day politician he'd be considered a dreamer and not realistic.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/35_kennedy/psources/ps_nyliberal.html
 
Kennedy was quite conservative.
 
Kennedy was quite conservative.

It's funny how definitions change over time, like how Reagan is praised (almost blindly) by Republicans like everytime they say his name they receive a dollar prize. Reagan of the 80's would not be considered part of the current group that touts his name often.

Out of curiosity, why do you consider him quite conservative? Do you mean for the time, or compared to today?

For his time, he was quite progressive and forward thinking (in some aspects) and he wasn't in others. But it could mean that both bases (conservative and liberal) are so out whack.

Btw, I did a quick search for "was kennedy a conservative", and one of the first links was 'conservapedia'.

I forgot about that site. It's just as lame as wikipedia.
 
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He ran against Nixon, claiming that under Ike and Nixon we fell behind the USSR in the cold war. In fact, the whole anti-communism thing is a Conservative thing. FDR made the Russians our ally and had our media putting out propaganda about how great it was there.

Aside from pushing for increases in military spending (as Reagan did, too), he called for tax cuts (as Reagan did).

The civil rights leaders of that era were for Nixon in 1960. When the Freedom Riders were riding their buses from town to town and getting their asses kicked, he sat on his hands and let it happen.

There were no bold new social programs proposed by his administration. Expanding on FDR type policies and the New Deal were things his successor did.

Do you think the Bay of Pigs was a "liberal" kind of operation? Getting us into Vietnam?

His brother, as Attorney General, was a union buster. You do know about Jimmy Hoffa...

The Kennedys were pretty close with Joseph MacCarthy. RFK served on MacCarthy's staff in one of those lawyer/counsel roles.

That's from memory, but... The similarities with Reagan extend beyond what I wrote. Both were Irish and religious fellows. Both had charismatic and popular (in the US) Russian leaders (Kruschev, Gorby). And so on.

Heck, the whole "Ask not what your country can do for you" is the opposite of "liberal" policies. Those are "ask what your country can do for you, but after we tax the rich to pay for it." *wink*
 
liberal by your definition you mean.
 
liberal by your definition you mean.

OK. Progressive. I read it a lot lately, in op ed pieces by guys like Paul Krugman (who's awful) and Robert Reich (who's not).

But I think I'm the prototypical Liberal and that the word has been co-opted and turned into a synonym for "progressive."
 
OK. Progressive. I read it a lot lately, in op ed pieces by guys like Paul Krugman (who's awful) and Robert Reich (who's not).

But I think I'm the prototypical Liberal and that the word has been co-opted and turned into a synonym for "progressive."

I can accept that.
 
I'm watching "Meet The Press" right now, and if EJ Dionne is the voice of the modern liberal/progressive, the Left is in trouble. A brilliant guy who somehow doesn't have the common sense to realize that he exists in an echo chamber.
 

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