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Apparently, Straight Outta Compton is a terrific presentation of material that is uncomfortable to white people.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/18/oscars-straight-outta-compton-snub

After scoring precursor nominations from the Producers Guild, Screen Actors Guild, and Writers Guild — plus a best-of-the-year citation from the American Film Institute — Straight Outta Compton felt destined to become one of this year’s best picture nominees. Until it didn’t: The blockbuster, which earned $160 million in the U.S. and scored mightily with critics around the country, was omitted from Thursday’s Oscar nominations list to widespread dismay.

Compton wasn’t alone in its snub. For the second straight year, every acting nominee at the Academy Awards is white, a fact that caused the hashtag #OscarsSoWhite to trend after the nominations last week. In the days since, Spike Lee — a recent recipient of an honorary Oscar — and actress-producer Jada Pinkett Smith have joined the chorus of voices asking for a boycott of the Oscar telecast due the lack of minority representation among nominees.

“Nobody can accuse the Academy of being racist — but they can be accused of being out of touch with the younger generation,” says the director. “Straight Outta Compton is a masterpiece, probably the best biopic since Amadeus — but many if not most of the Academy can’t fathom songs like “F— the Police.’ I know many members who wouldn’t even see the film because it represented a culture that they detest or, more accurately, they assume they detest. Younger people, even those under 50, are not only fans of the music, but much more willing to try to empathize with the world depicted in the movie. When the Academy expands to an even younger demo, movies likeStraight Outta Compton will stand a chance.”
I'm white as hell and I enjoyed the movie, but it was poorly paced, had completely unremarkable cinematography, and several below average acting performances. It was probably close to getting a nomination, but it wouldn't have deserved to win the award anyways.
 
I'm white as hell and I enjoyed the movie, but it was poorly paced, had completely unremarkable cinematography, and several below average acting performances. It was probably close to getting a nomination, but it wouldn't have deserved to win the award anyways.

I don't think the question is that it deserves to win. As presented, it clearly speaks directly to millions of people and their experience.

The people who work in the industry are complaining that they can't get funding easily, and when they make good work it isn't recognized.

Black people have been historically allowed in front of the camera, albeit in very stereotyped roles. The stereotyping in Hollywood extends beyond black people, who are more often than not portrayed as pimps, criminals, and sometimes cops. Italians are stereotyped as Mafia or cops. Irish as drunks and barkeepers.

All they are asking for is recognition among their peers.

There are no doubt great black actors and directors. There is no excuse to be completely shut out of the funding and recognition processes. It encourages more black film and better ones.

Hollywood is also well known for its nepotism.
 
Apparently, Straight Outta Compton is a terrific presentation of material that is uncomfortable to white people.

Bull!

I saw it opening weekend and the theater was filled with mostly white people. $161 million gross in the USA means it was seen by both whites and blacks.

Again I really enjoyed the movie but lets be honest, it's a vanity piece. NWA wrote, told and cast their version of their story. They came off looking very good and hid a lot of warts.

If GWB or Obama write and cast their bio pics how do you think those movies are going to turn out? Completely factual? Objective? If Obama does do his own movie are you going to say it's uncomfortable to white people if it isn't nominated for an Academy Award?
 
I don't think the question is that it deserves to win. As presented, it clearly speaks directly to millions of people and their experience.

The people who work in the industry are complaining that they can't get funding easily, and when they make good work it isn't recognized.

Black people have been historically allowed in front of the camera, albeit in very stereotyped roles. The stereotyping in Hollywood extends beyond black people, who are more often than not portrayed as pimps, criminals, and sometimes cops. Italians are stereotyped as Mafia or cops. Irish as drunks and barkeepers.

All they are asking for is recognition among their peers.

There are no doubt great black actors and directors. There is no excuse to be completely shut out of the funding and recognition processes. It encourages more black film and better ones.

Hollywood is also well known for its nepotism.

You sure have a lot of opinions on a movie you've never seen.
 
Bull!

I saw it opening weekend and the theater was filled with mostly white people. $161 million gross in the USA means it was seen by both whites and blacks.

Again I really enjoyed the movie but lets be honest, it's a vanity piece. NWA wrote, told and cast their version of their story. They came off looking very good and hid a lot of warts.

If GWB or Obama write and cast their bio pics how do you think those movies are going to turn out? Completely factual? Objective? If Obama does do his own movie are you going to say it's uncomfortable to white people if it isn't nominated for an Academy Award?

Well, there's your anecdote and there's the quotes from the 93% white (mostly males) in the academy.
 
Yeah come on Denny. Straight outta Compton isn't going to scare white people.

Like sly said, the theatres were definitely filled with white people.

Go to a Tyler Perry movie sometime, my wife and I did and we were the only white people in the theatre, which is too bad because it was actually a great flick.
 
Yeah come on Denny. Straight outta Compton isn't going to scare white people.

Like sly said, the theatres were definitely filled with white people.

Go to a Tyler Perry movie sometime, my wife and I did and we were the only white people in the theatre, which is too bad because it was actually a great flick.

“Nobody can accuse the Academy of being racist — but they can be accused of being out of touch with the younger generation,” says the director. “Straight Outta Compton is a masterpiece, probably the best biopic since Amadeus — but many if not most of the Academy can’t fathom songs like “F— the Police.’ I know many members who wouldn’t even see the film because it represented a culture that they detest or, more accurately, they assume they detest. Younger people, even those under 50, are not only fans of the music, but much more willing to try to empathize with the world depicted in the movie. When the Academy expands to an even younger demo, movies likeStraight Outta Compton will stand a chance.
 
“Nobody can accuse the Academy of being racist — but they can be accused of being out of touch with the younger generation,” says the director. “Straight Outta Compton is a masterpiece, probably the best biopic since Amadeus — but many if not most of the Academy can’t fathom songs like “F— the Police.’ I know many members who wouldn’t even see the film because it represented a culture that they detest or, more accurately, they assume they detest. Younger people, even those under 50, are not only fans of the music, but much more willing to try to empathize with the world depicted in the movie. When the Academy expands to an even younger demo, movies likeStraight Outta Compton will stand a chance.

Watch 12 Years A Slave and then watch Straight Outta Compton. Straight Outta Compton is not even close to that level.
 
Watch 12 Years A Slave and then watch Straight Outta Compton. Straight Outta Compton is not even close to that level.

12 Years a Slave (2013) became the first film directed and produced by a black filmmaker (Steve McQueen) and also the first to be written by an African-American (John Ridley) to win the Academy Award for Best Motion Picture of the Year.

Your strawman is suggesting I think Compton should win the award.
 
Wow! Who gives a dang what the Academy does? Now we are suppose to give hoot about Spike Lee getting snubbed? Racist Even?
Geez! If you can find 15 movies in history that rate remembering you are doing better than me.

How the hell is a movie worth going to see, with a song about F— the Police?
 
Honest question. How many non-black people have won awards at the BET awards show?
 
12 Years a Slave (2013) became the first film directed and produced by a black filmmaker (Steve McQueen) and also the first to be written by an African-American (John Ridley) to win the Academy Award for Best Motion Picture of the Year.

Your strawman is suggesting I think Compton should win the award.

No.

Jeez Denny. Have you seen either movie? If not watch them, they're both great movies. Doesn't matter if a white, black, green or blue person directed 12 Years A Slave, it was a beautifully told story.
 
No.

Jeez Denny. Have you seen either movie? If not watch them, they're both great movies. Doesn't matter if a white, black, green or blue person directed 12 Years A Slave, it was a beautifully told story.

I saw 12 years a slave.

The usual suspects complained it only won an award because of "white guilt."

Go figure.
 
That there needs to be a BET in the first place is something to ponder.
If the crap they put on BET is what black people want then there sure as fuck needs to be a BET because none of it is worth watching to me. I watch mostly highly rated and profitable shows and movies.

Call me a lemming, don't care.

It's about money and the stuff I like makes them money. Thank goodness for me.
 
Something that some may find odd.

There's one of the big 4 networks that seems to have the most diversity in programming. Surprisingly it's FOX.

Empire and Rosewood back to back. Dr. Ken, too.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/29/how-empire-changed-prime-time-diversity-for-the-better/
I REALLLLLLLLLY wanted to like Empire and went in with an open mind but it's a fucking soap opera. I love Terrence Howard and whats her name that was in Hustle and Flow with him. That was a fabulous movie I've watched multiple times.

Taraji P Henson I think is her name. She's great.

Edit, if Empire makes money and people like it, good for them. Doesn't bother me.
 
That there needs to be a BET in the first place is something to ponder.
I thought you were the type of guy that wants things deregulated? So now you want to regulate how an awards committee grades and picks certain cinema in giving out said awards?

Might as well give everyone a participation award so everyone can feel warm and fuzzy inside
 
It mirrors greater society. Spike Lee couldn't get the studios to fund his movies. He lacked privilege.
Spike got screwed at the Oscars for his Malcom X film...clearly the best film that year..Hollywood is like NBA fan allstar voting...Julia Roberts, Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep get the votes even if they make a mediocre film
 
I thought you were the type of guy that wants things deregulated? So now you want to regulate how an awards committee grades and picks certain cinema in giving out said awards?

Might as well give everyone a participation award so everyone can feel warm and fuzzy inside

I didn't argue for regulation.

I argue the boycott is well placed. Peer pressure, reaching out to get more minorities in the academy, etc., are good things. No regulations needed.
 
Something that some may find odd.

There's one of the big 4 networks that seems to have the most diversity in programming. Surprisingly it's FOX.

Empire and Rosewood back to back. Dr. Ken, too.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/29/how-empire-changed-prime-time-diversity-for-the-better/
Wait, FOX gets credit for diversity programming for Empire and Rosewood, but ABC gets no credit for their "ShondaLand" Thursday night Grey's Anatomy-Scandal-How To Get Away with Murder (and formerly including "Private Practice") lineup?

Edit: Just read the article, and I see that the Shonda Rhimes shows are mentioned a few paragraphs down. Yeah--ABC is clearly the most diverse of the 4 traditional networks, and the article specifies that as well.
 
Wait, FOX gets credit for diversity programming for Empire and Rosewood, but ABC gets no credit for their "ShondaLand" Thursday night Grey's Anatomy-Scandal-How To Get Away with Murder (and formerly including "Private Practice") lineup?

Edit: Just read the article, and I see that the Shonda Rhimes shows are mentioned a few paragraphs down.

Shonda Rhimes is awesome, but didn't the network chop her budgets a few times? Lots of key roles killed off in the various shows, and Private Practice killed altogether.

Regardless, Empire is almost all black cast, not a couple of black doctors on a mostly white staff. The stories are about black culture.

The lead in Rosewood is a black man, and the show is about him.

I find it refreshing to see. Empire is a huge hit and a hit with the critics, too.
 
Wait, FOX gets credit for diversity programming for Empire and Rosewood, but ABC gets no credit for their "ShondaLand" Thursday night Grey's Anatomy-Scandal-How To Get Away with Murder (and formerly including "Private Practice") lineup?

Edit: Just read the article, and I see that the Shonda Rhimes shows are mentioned a few paragraphs down. Yeah--ABC is clearly the most diverse of the 4 traditional networks, and the article specifies that as well.

If the networks strive to produce shows that people wish to see, as verified by ratings, why would they alter success, in favor of diversity?
 
I didn't argue for regulation.

I argue the boycott is well placed. Peer pressure, reaching out to get more minorities in the academy, etc., are good things. No regulations needed.
Why stop there? Lets boycott the nba, nfl, Mlb, doctors offices, music awards shows. Lets go all in on this
 
Again, read the article. Scandal and HTGAWM have non-white stars, one of whom (Viola Davis) won a best actress Emmy. ABC also has Blackish and Fresh of the Boat. And your characterization of the Grey's cast is disingenuous. I can name 7 black actors as part of the main cast, one Hispanic, and about 7 white, and that also includes 3 interracial relationships. That show is all about diversity.
 
If the networks strive to produce shows that people wish to see, as verified by ratings, why would they alter success, in favor of diversity?
Because sometimes increased diversity results in greater success?
 

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