Ira Winderman just doesn't give up

[Fez Hammersticks]

But with Pritchard out, could a possible Greg Oden-Beasley deal be considered by the Blazers?

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Uh, no?

 

[Rhal]

Why in gods name would we give up Oden for what he is valued at now? Plus giving him up to acquire a backup for Aldridge that has attitude problems and is inconstant...

 

[Nikolokolus]

I find it interesting that I keep hearing Greg's name thrown out by writers and fans in trade scenarios.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I find it interesting that I keep hear Greg's name thrown out by writers and fans in trade scenarios.

Really?

Sam Bowie for Buck Williams. Maybe lightning can strike twice.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Really?

Sam Bowie for Buck Williams. Maybe lightning can strike twice.

Who would be the Buck Williams in this scenario? Certianly not Michael Beasley. Beasley is an undersized 4 who is a less efficient scorer and worse rebounder than LaMarcus Aldridge. I'd pass on the guy if he was saint. He's not. He's a disruption AND a very mediocre player. No thanks.

BNM

 

[oldmangrouch]

Who would be the Buck Williams in this scenario? Certianly not Michael Beasley. Beasley is an undersized 4 who is a less efficient scorer and worse rebounder than LaMarcus Aldridge. I'd pass on the guy if he was saint. He's not. He's a disruption AND a very mediocre player. No thanks.

BNM

Nik was implying he didn't understand Oden's name being thrown into trade talks *in general*, and that is what I was disagreeing with.

If you consider the Heat offer inadequate, that's cool - but that doesn't mean there aren't other offers out there.

 

[Minstrel]

Nik was implying he didn't understand Oden's name being thrown into trade talks *in general*, and that is what I was disagreeing with.

Nik is on your side, of thinking Oden is essentially worthless. I think he's surprised fans and writers following other teams are interested in Oden, on the presumption that no one but Blazers fans should consider Oden valuable.

So I don't think you two disagree.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Nik was implying he didn't understand Oden's name being thrown into trade talks *in general*, and that is what I was disagreeing with.

If you consider the Heat offer inadequate, that's cool - but that doesn't mean there aren't other offers out there.

Nik is on your side, of thinking Oden is essentially worthless. I think he's surprised fans and writers following other teams are interested in Oden, on the presumption that no one but Blazers fans should consider Oden valuable.

So I don't think you two disagree.

Actually you're both wrong. I just find it interesting that national writers (Sam Smith, Ira Winderman et al.) seem to have zeroed in on Oden. I would think that most would assume he's gone the way of the Bowie and the Dodo. I don't think Oden's worthless, I just think a healthy Greg is sort of like a mythical beast; rarely seen and hard to prove. That said if somebody ever finds the skeletal remains of a bigfoot or if Greg ever plays in 75 games (in a single season) then I'll be pretty excited.

 

[jlprk]

Beasley can be had for less than Oden. Someone as permanently limited as he is, like Bayless, would do it.

Someday Oden will arise like a Lazarus Ilgauskas and stay healthy for several years. But if it doesn't begin under this contract, then I don't know how much to pay him while we wait. Decisions will be easier if his comeback happens this season.

 

[Minstrel]

Actually you're both wrong. I just find it interesting that national writers (Sam Smith, Ira Winderman et al.) seem to have zeroed in on Oden. I would think that most would assume he's gone the way of the Bowie and the Dodo. I don't think Oden's worthless, I just think a healthy Greg is sort of like a mythical beast; rarely seen and hard to prove. That said if somebody ever finds the skeletal remains of a bigfoot or if Greg ever plays in 75 games (in a single season) then I'll be pretty excited.

That...sounds like I was right? "I don't consider him worthless, I just think his worth doesn't exist. But I'll be thrilled if something crazy happens like Bigfoot is discovered or Oden proves to have value. And I'd think that national writers would also consider him largely valueless, ala Sam Bowie."

I mean...you stated that you don't think he's worthless and then proceeded to say exactly the opposite. Is there actually a meaningful distinction between "worthless" and "mythical worth?"

 

[Nikolokolus]

That...sounds like I was right? "I don't consider him worthless, I just think his worth doesn't exist. But I'll be thrilled if something crazy happens like Bigfoot is discovered or Oden proves to have value. And I'd think that national writers would also consider him largely valueless, ala Sam Bowie."

I mean...you stated that you don't think he's worthless and then proceeded to say exactly the opposite. Is there actually a meaningful distinction between "worthless" and "mythical worth?"

Absolutely. It's kind of like this

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165197

 

[Minstrel]

Absolutely. It's kind of like this

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165197

Hehe. Internet theoretical dollars proved to be valueless long before that South Park clip.

I have no problem with you thinking Oden is essentially valueless (which is your argument, if you're arguing that his value is theoretical and almost certain never to be realized)...I simply disagree. I just don't think my characterization of your position (in my post to oldmangrouch) was wrong as you alleged, dammit!

 

[Nikolokolus]

Hehe. Internet theoretical dollars proved to be valueless long before that South Park clip.

I have no problem with you thinking Oden is essentially valueless (which is your argument, if you're arguing that his value is theoretical and almost certain never to be realized)...I simply disagree. I just don't think my characterization of your position (in my post to oldmangrouch) was wrong as you alleged, dammit!

Oh c'mon, I know. I'm just having some fun.

ps. I really don't think Oden is a theoretically worthless or evern actually worthless talent, I just don't think he can be considered a cornerstone player anymore; if he sticks around and gives us great production on a reasonable salary and even manages to average 65 games a year (plus being able to stay healthy when it counts in the playoffs) then I'll be very very happy ... and a little surprised. I just get really tired of hearing people say "when healthy, Greg is going to be a beast." I need to see it to believe it -- for more than 20 games.

 

[Minstrel]

Oh c'mon, I know. I'm just having some fun.

Me too. I'm only murderously serious when the discussion turns to Batum.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Me too. I'm only murderously serious when the discussion turns to Batum.

Same.