IRS Gave FBI 1.1 million records to use against 'conservatives'

[PapaG]

Dude,

Nixon directly ordered the misuse of the IRS, FBI, CIA, and other agencies against his political enemies. The IRS may not have complied, but giving the order is impeachable. Nothing close to this involving Obama, other than the NSA which preceded him (and he's not stopping it).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/26/irs-chief-defied-nixon/2360951/

Watch the video. Absence (or destruction) of evidence isn't an excuse for a defendant against the IRS. Also, read the actual article of impeachment against Nixon regarding the IRS.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That was pretty good. For the uninformed such as myself, it would seem that Gowdy owned that segment. In so far as I don't know the criminal codes either.

 

[PapaG]

That was pretty good. For the uninformed such as myself, it would seem that Gowdy owned that segment. In so far as I don't know the criminal codes either.

It's fairly simple. The IRS Head said he didn't see any evidence of criminal behavior. Gowdy grilled him on if he read the statutes. IRS Guy changes his talking point to "wrondoing" instead of "criminal." Gowdy notes that on the record. IRS Guy basically stammers from that point forward, loses his smug glibness, and starts parroting "wrongdoing" over and over.

I'd hate to be cross-examined by Gowdy. He may be the smartest man in DC.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It's fairly simple. The IRS Head said he didn't see any evidence of criminal behavior. Gowdy grilled him on if he read the statutes. IRS Guy changes his talking point to "wrondoing" instead of "criminal." Gowdy notes that on the record. IRS Guy basically stammers from that point forward, loses his smug glibness, and starts parroting "wrongdoing" over and over.

I'd hate to be cross-examined by Gowdy. He may be the smartest man in DC.

I got the logic of it. The IRS guy used the "if they did anything illegal, they didn't mean to" excuse.

The same excuse that won't likely get any of US out of a speeding ticket.

The problem with Gowdy being smart and whooping that old guy's ass is that nobody cares. I used to but it drove me crazy that they get away with shit.

I am turning 40 next month and have no kids. I have young nieces and if not for them, I couldn't care less what happens to this country going forward. The movie Idiocracy will look like heaven compared to what is coming.

 

[Denny Crane]

Watch the video. Absence (or destruction) of evidence isn't an excuse for a defendant against the IRS. Also, read the actual article of impeachment against Nixon regarding the IRS.

I won't defend the IRS.

He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

That he did.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think the fact we can have this question and answer format in an open forum speaks volumes about our country.

If you want to jump up and down that nobody seems to care, I get the frustration but it is what it is. A president gets a blowjob from an intern and people are glued to their televisions screaming and ranting. This goes on and it's politics as usual to many. I don't think this is a democratic vs a republican thing as much as it is people have better things to rant and rave about and Americans only have limited time to rant and rave.

Apparently Americans get very little vacation time compared to other countries, we are all so busy working and making money, who has time for this stuff?

 

[Denny Crane]

I think the fact we can have this question and answer format in an open forum speaks volumes about our country.

If you want to jump up and down that nobody seems to care, I get the frustration but it is what it is. A president gets a blowjob from an intern and people are glued to their televisions screaming and ranting. This goes on and it's politics as usual to many. I don't think this is a democratic vs a republican thing as much as it is people have better things to rant and rave about and Americans only have limited time to rant and rave.

Apparently Americans get very little vacation time compared to other countries, we are all so busy working and making money, who has time for this stuff?

Obama's reading all our posts, though. Mags talks about doing drugs and now he's in Gitmo.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think the fact we can have this question and answer format in an open forum speaks volumes about our country.

If you want to jump up and down that nobody seems to care, I get the frustration but it is what it is. A president gets a blowjob from an intern and people are glued to their televisions screaming and ranting. This goes on and it's politics as usual to many. I don't think this is a democratic vs a republican thing as much as it is people have better things to rant and rave about and Americans only have limited time to rant and rave.

Apparently Americans get very little vacation time compared to other countries, we are all so busy working and making money, who has time for this stuff?

People like me are in the minority. I wondered if she was hot enough for me to get blowies from if I were President.

People cared about OJ...me? Nope
People cared about Lewinsky...me? Nope

It seems like people that do care about something pick that thing because it affected them. If a family member died too young from a rare cancer, they march for cancer research. Yet there are homeless veterans on every street in a big city.

If people won't prioritize things we will never fix anything.

No offense to crandc, but I agree with more than half of the issues she cares about. I just don't CARE about any of them long term if we don't fix the fundamental issues we have going forward. I think gays should have rights to make medical decisions about their partners and that marriage is a great way to make that happen.

If there isn't a fucking hospital to make those decisions at what is the fucking point?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Obama's reading all our posts, though. Mags talks about doing drugs and now he's in Gitmo.

The sad part is that I clicked the link to the common sense website and scanned a few things. Looked like crazy people to me. However, I immediately wondered if I didn't pop up on some govt agency list right after.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

People like me are in the minority. I wondered if she was hot enough for me to get blowies from if I were President.

People cared about OJ...me? Nope
People cared about Lewinsky...me? Nope

It seems like people that do care about something pick that thing because it affected them. If a family member died too young from a rare cancer, they march for cancer research. Yet there are homeless veterans on every street in a big city.

If people won't prioritize things we will never fix anything.

No offense to crandc, but I agree with more than half of the issues she cares about. I just don't CARE about any of them long term if we don't fix the fundamental issues we have going forward. I think gays should have rights to make medical decisions about their partners and that marriage is a great way to make that happen.

If there isn't a fucking hospital to make those decisions at what is the fucking point?

I agree, that people tend to get care about topics that directly affect them.

Curious, you watched that video, do you care much about what they were talking about?

Personally I watched that and wasn't outraged . . . politics as usual for me.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The sad part is that I clicked the link to the common sense website and scanned a few things. Looked like crazy people to me. However, I immediately wondered if I didn't pop up on some govt agency list right after.

Maybe, but my thought is so what . .. we are so inconsequential to the federal gov't who cares if I'm on some list. Take the time to monitor me . . . I flattered. I don't get that much attention at work or home.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I agree, that people tend to get care about topics that directly affect them.

Curious, you watched that video, do you care much about what they were talking about?

Personally I watched that and wasn't outraged . . . politics as usual for me.

See, hard to explain. I WOULD care if it made a difference who is right in this. Lie lie lie, you did it first blah blah blah......

I read about 2 cops holding a loose dog down while one of them slit its throat. I would hang those fuckers. But, they are like 85 million down the list of people who need a beating.

Giving a fuck about any of it is like slapping a guy for farting near you at the garbage dump.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Maybe, but my thought is so what . .. we are so inconsequential to the federal gov't who cares if I'm on some list. Take the time to monitor me . . . I flattered. I don't get that much attention at work or home.

That is the real problem. We are inconsequential to them. You lost your job because an illegal works more hours for less money? Tough shit.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That is the real problem. We are inconsequential to them. You lost your job because an illegal works more hours for less money? Tough shit.

Unfortunately that is true. If it was happening to millions, then maybe the gov't would care. If it is happening to handful, relatively speaking, they aren't going to care. Obama ran on a platform that he does care, but I don't think he does. He has his own agenda he cares about and I believe he actually thinks it is an agenda the middle class cares about, but is as out of touch with the middle class as all politicians seem to be.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Unfortunately that is true. If it was happening to millions, then maybe the gov't would care. If it is happening to handful, relatively speaking, they aren't going to care. Obama ran on a platform that he does care, but I don't think he does. He has his own agenda he cares about and I believe he actually thinks it is an agenda the middle class cares about, but is as out of touch with the middle class as all politicians seem to be.

I don't even want to venture a guess as to what he thinks he is doing. I could guess and guess and probably still not get it right.

 

[PapaG]

I won't defend the IRS.

He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

That he did.

Yes, that's the word I meant. It doesn't mean what you think it means, and was used on purpose.

 

[PapaG]

Maybe, but my thought is so what . .. we are so inconsequential to the federal gov't who cares if I'm on some list. Take the time to monitor me . . . I flattered. I don't get that much attention at work or home.

I never clicked on the "common sense" link. It was the lead picture on Drudgereport, and I just copied the Image URL. I'm sorry if I got you all on a list, but I'm guessing we're all on lists due to our excessive and out of the norm usage of on-line forums.

 

[PapaG]

Unfortunately that is true. If it was happening to millions, then maybe the gov't would care. If it is happening to handful, relatively speaking, they aren't going to care. Obama ran on a platform that he does care, but I don't think he does. He has his own agenda he cares about and I believe he actually thinks it is an agenda the middle class cares about, but is as out of touch with the middle class as all politicians seem to be.

It is happening to millions. Research the wealth gap in the last 6 years. Look up the actual workforce numbers, and not the UE rate that even the media can't report anymore because it's so laughable.

As for Obama "caring," if anybody else cared to actually read his books that he allegedly wrote, none of this should be a surprise. He has 2 pieces of literature in the public domain, and both happened to be best-selling books. Yeah, that's not suspicious, either.

 

[barfo]

As for Obama "caring," if anybody else cared to actually read his books that he allegedly wrote, none of this should be a surprise. He has 2 pieces of literature in the public domain, and both happened to be best-selling books. Yeah, that's not suspicious, either.

Ok, I'll bite. What's suspicious about having best selling books? Does that mean he was born in Kenya?

barfo

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I never clicked on the "common sense" link. It was the lead picture on Drudge report, and I just copied the Image URL. I'm sorry if I got you all on a list, but I'm guessing we're all on lists due to our excessive and out of the norm usage of on-line forums.

That is strange because the writer on that site uses some terminology you use. Americans being dumbed down stuck out, similar types of conspiracies by the gov't, similar takes on issues of immigration, Obama.

But whatever . . . I got no problem with being on a list

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This is how much people don't care about that bantering on the video . . . this has turned more into if the gov't is watching us . . . which I think a lot of people care about.

 

[PapaG]

Wake up, America. I'd feel the same way had the IRS was headed by a major GOP donor and worked for a GOP administration, too.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/reminder-irs-commissioner-john-koskinen-is-massive-donor-to-dems/

Koskinen has been contributing to Democrats for four decades, starting with a $1000 contribution to Democratic candidate for Colorado Senate candidate Gary Hart in 1979.

Koskinen has been a reliable donor over the years, contributing a total of $19,000 to the Democratic National Committee from 1988 to 2008. He has made a contribution to the Democratic candidate for president in each election since 1980, including $2,300 to Obama in 2008, and $5000 to Obama in 2012.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has received $3,000 from Koskinen since 2008, and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee received $2,000 from 2004 to 2006.

 

[PapaG]

Ok, I'll bite. What's suspicious about having best selling books? Does that mean he was born in Kenya?

barfo

With two published works, total, next to nothing from his days as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review, and two best-selling works of greatness in those two works, I think being skeptical isn't so far out there.

 

[PapaG]

That is strange because the writer on that site uses some terminology you use. Americans being dumbed down stuck out, similar types of conspiracies by the gov't, similar takes on issues of immigration, Obama.

Oh, I suppose that was meant to be an insult.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Wake up, America. I'd feel the same way had the IRS was headed by a major GOP donor and worked for a GOP administration, too.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/reminder-irs-commissioner-john-koskinen-is-massive-donor-to-dems/

Both Koskinen and Gowdy have agendas . . . and in other news, the Dodgers played a game tonight.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Oh, I suppose that was meant to be an insult.

No, just an observation.

 

[PapaG]

Both Koskinen and Gowdy have agendas . . . and in other news, the Dodgers played a game tonight.

Koskinen shouldn't have an agenda, other than telling the truth and not deflecting questions. He's the head of the IRS, not an elected politician.

Respect for you is gone.

 

[barfo]

With two published works, total, next to nothing from his days as the Editor of the Harvard Law Review, and two best-selling works of greatness in those two works, I think being skeptical isn't so far out there.

Ok, but what is it that you are skeptical of? Do you think they weren't bestsellers?

barfo

 

[PapaG]

Both parties should be questioning the IRS. The Dems running interference today for an uncooperative witness who happens to be the head of the IRS should be a wake-up call for all Americans. I'm not saying the GOP is any better, but it was obvious that the Dems were covering for the IRS. That's just amazing to me.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Koskinen shouldn't have an agenda, other than telling the truth and not deflecting questions. He's the head of the IRS, not an elected politician.

Respect for you is gone.

Um OK . . .you OK? (can I buy you a beer?)

We been posting for years and respect gone huh?

Normally that would bother me but nothing I said I would take back (often there are things I wish I could take back)

You point out political contributions by whoever and I shrug and say I agree, he is a democrat being attacked by a republican. He is trying to protect the white house and the blowhard is trying to put on a big old show for voting republicans and coming across as a bully to me. Like I said . . . politics as usual to me.

BTW- if this loses your respect I should have lost it in the global warming thread, that is something I feel much more strongly about.

Did that website hit a nerve with you?