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I wonder if all of these scandals are being intentionally dropped at once? It's the news equivalent of the "Friday Night Document Dump" or the accounting equivalent of "Taking A Bath". People can only pay attention to so much. Each one of these scandals on their own would dominate a news cycle. Together, the press can only choose one or two.

The Obama Administration could be playing it very smart. They'll have a bad few weeks and then it will fizzle out and they'll put all this stuff behind them.
 
While he's got us all distracted by the scandals, he's able to go about planning to confiscate all the guns without being questioned about that.
 
Why is it a non-issue?

Because it doesn't affect people with whom he agrees. If it were the Bush Administration screening groups with the word "progressive" or "liberal" in it, Fez would be one of the first screaming bloody murder.

I would be equally angry if the above were the case. I don't ask for favoritism, just equal treatment under the law. It obviously didn't occur here.
 
Because it doesn't affect people with whom he agrees. If it were the Bush Administration screening groups with the word "progressive" or "liberal" in it, Fez would be one of the first screaming bloody murder.

I would be equally angry if the above were the case. I don't ask for favoritism, just equal treatment under the law. It obviously didn't occur here.

Yes, I agree and knew that is why. I just wanted to see Fez try to type out some incoherent excuse.
 
Odd that you avoid answering the questions. What is your complaint, and what do you want to see done about it.

My position is that these organizations (and many on the left, too) shouldn't be given 501(c)anything status.

501(c)4 is meant for organizations like the volunteer fire department, not for making soft money contributions to political campaigns tax deductible.

Bizarre viewpoint.

You are mashing two issues together in a way that lets the IRS and the Obama Admin off the hook.

Politically motivated and biased application of regulations is one issue - the issue of this scandal.

Campaign Finance laws and rules are another.

Congress could completely rewrite campaign finance laws (or even scrap them all entirely), and it wouldn't change the crimes committed, nor excuse them, nor wipe out the scandal.

The facts as we know them now are that right wing groups were specifically targeted, left wing groups were not, this occurred during a time that greatly affected certain groups ability to function, while allowing certain favored groups to proceed with their activities, that officials lied about this, that confidential information was released which is against the law.

Based on your logic: "I know that there is a lot of abuse of deductions and I support the IRS going after people that do so. I know that checking for excessive deductions is a rather simple process, but I am ok with the IRS handling this problem by launching full-bore "anal-probe" audits to solve this problem. In addition, I am not particularly bothered by the IRS selecting their audit targets by focusing on registered Republicans."
 
I wonder if all of these scandals are being intentionally dropped at once? It's the news equivalent of the "Friday Night Document Dump" or the accounting equivalent of "Taking A Bath". People can only pay attention to so much. Each one of these scandals on their own would dominate a news cycle. Together, the press can only choose one or two.

The Obama Administration could be playing it very smart. They'll have a bad few weeks and then it will fizzle out and they'll put all this stuff behind them.

yep

if informed obama supporters can see what is going on and still make excuses for him, how can we expect the uninformed to take offence..give it afew weeks and all will be back as it was..
 
Bizarre viewpoint.

You are mashing two issues together in a way that lets the IRS and the Obama Admin off the hook.

Politically motivated and biased application of regulations is one issue - the issue of this scandal.

Campaign Finance laws and rules are another.

Congress could completely rewrite campaign finance laws (or even scrap them all entirely), and it wouldn't change the crimes committed, nor excuse them, nor wipe out the scandal.

The facts as we know them now are that right wing groups were specifically targeted, left wing groups were not, this occurred during a time that greatly affected certain groups ability to function, while allowing certain favored groups to proceed with their activities, that officials lied about this, that confidential information was released which is against the law.

Based on your logic: "I know that there is a lot of abuse of deductions and I support the IRS going after people that do so. I know that checking for excessive deductions is a rather simple process, but I am ok with the IRS handling this problem by launching full-bore "anal-probe" audits to solve this problem. In addition, I am not particularly bothered by the IRS selecting their audit targets by focusing on registered Republicans."

WHAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED?

Sorry for the all caps. I want you to notice the question.

Not raising as much money as Obama really affected McCain campaign's ability to function. That's life.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-that-fed-tea-party-row.html?alcmpid=politics

IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row

The Internal Revenue Service, under pressure after admitting it targeted anti-tax Tea Party groups for scrutiny in recent years, also had its eye on at least three Democratic-leaning organizations seeking nonprofit status.


One of those groups, Emerge America, saw its tax-exempt status denied, forcing it to disclose its donors and pay some taxes. None of the Republican groups have said their applications were rejected.

Progress Texas, another of the organizations, faced the same lines of questioning as the Tea Party groups from the same IRS office that issued letters to the Republican-friendly applicants. A third group, Clean Elections Texas, which supports public funding of campaigns, also received IRS inquiries.

...

Tax (GDP%NPOT) agency officials told lawmakers in a briefing yesterday that 471 groups received additional scrutiny, a total that indicates a crackdown on politically active nonprofit groups that extends beyond the Tea Party outfits.

...

In early 2011, the IRS denied the tax-exempt status of an affiliate of the San Francisco-based Emerge America, which trains Democratic women to run for office. The agency said it was disqualified because the group’s activities were “conducted primarily for the benefit of a political party and a private group of individuals, rather than the community as a whole.”

The decision was a surprise because four of Emerge America’s affiliates and its main headquarters already had been approved as nonprofits.
The tax agency on Oct. 21, 2011, revoked those approvals. The national organization and its state affiliates are now incorporated under Section 527 of the tax code.

“We didn’t even get the opportunity to answer questions,” said Karen Middleton, president of Emerge America. “We would have welcomed the opportunity to respond to a questionnaire.”

An Austin, Texas-based group, Progress Texas, received a letter from the IRS in February 2013 when it sought nonprofit status. The letter came from the agency’s Laguna Niguel, California, office, which sent essentially the same queries to Republican-leaning groups.

As with the Tea Party groups, the IRS sought copies of promotional materials, backgrounds of officers, meeting minutes and specifics about activities, such as get-out-the-vote drives, that the organization said it would conduct.
 
WHAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED?

Sorry for the all caps. I want you to notice the question.

Not raising as much money as Obama really affected McCain campaign's ability to function. That's life.

Stop playing dumb. We all know there is a difference between a non-issue and a crime being committed. The fact that you keep deflecting and using the strawman of a crime not being committed shows how desperate you're getting.
 
I wonder if all of these scandals are being intentionally dropped at once? It's the news equivalent of the "Friday Night Document Dump" or the accounting equivalent of "Taking A Bath". People can only pay attention to so much. Each one of these scandals on their own would dominate a news cycle. Together, the press can only choose one or two.

The Obama Administration could be playing it very smart. They'll have a bad few weeks and then it will fizzle out and they'll put all this stuff behind them.

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Stop playing dumb. We all know there is a difference between a non-issue and a crime being committed. The fact that you keep deflecting and using the strawman of a crime not being committed shows how desperate you're getting.

I quoted his post where HE claimed there was a crime. My "strawman" is asking him what the fuck crime he's talking about?

There was none, right?
 
I quoted his post where HE claimed there was a crime. My "strawman" is asking him what the fuck crime he's talking about?

There was none, right?

You asked me about 5 times what crime was committed after I never claimed a crime was committed. That's on the verge of:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
 
Because it doesn't affect people with whom he agrees. If it were the Bush Administration screening groups with the word "progressive" or "liberal" in it, Fez would be one of the first screaming bloody murder.

I would be equally angry if the above were the case. I don't ask for favoritism, just equal treatment under the law. It obviously didn't occur here.

Yes.

And vice-versa.
 
WHAT CRIME WAS COMMITTED?

Sorry for the all caps. I want you to notice the question.

Not raising as much money as Obama really affected McCain campaign's ability to function. That's life.
You think Obama Admin officials resign when there is no crime?

These guys never resign, and never admit to anything.

Now, they suddenly are dropping like flies. Why do you think that is?

Name every single time the Obama Admin said they were going to start an investigation and look for possible CRIMINAL investigations?

Waiting.....

These guys never admit to Executive Branch possible crimes.

"I have ordered an investigation," Holder told reporters at a news conference. "FBI is coordinating with the Justice Department to see if any laws were broken."
He said that the actions disclosed so far "were, I think as everyone can agree, if not criminal, they were certainly outrageous and unacceptable, but we are examining the facts to see if there were criminal violations."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/14/us-usa-tax-irs-idUSBRE94D12A20130514


IRS employees dissemination of confidential records. Felony.

http://www.propublica.org/article/i...ed-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs

Using IRS powers to target political opponents is also a crime. Violation of Civil Rights.
 
You think Obama Admin officials resign when there is no crime?

These guys never resign, and never admit to anything.

Now, they suddenly are dropping like flies. Why do you think that is?

Name every single time the Obama Admin said they were going to start an investigation and look for possible CRIMINAL investigations?

Waiting.....

These guys never admit to Executive Branch possible crimes.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/14/us-usa-tax-irs-idUSBRE94D12A20130514


IRS employees dissemination of confidential records. Felony.

http://www.propublica.org/article/i...ed-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs

Using IRS powers to target political opponents is also a crime. Violation of Civil Rights.

You are confusing incompetence with criminal activity.

People are fired or forced to resign due to incompetence.

Dropping like flies? Seriously?

Looks to me like the IRS incompetently sent a handful of unapproved applications to propublica by accident and immediately threatened them with criminal action if they published them. Looks like they realized right away they made a mistake. No wink and nod, "here's stuff to go publish to damage our political opponents.:"

http://www.propublica.org/article/what-karl-roves-dark-money-nonprofit-told-the-irs

The IRS sent Crossroads' application to ProPublica in response to a public-records request. The document sent to ProPublica didn't include an official IRS recognition letter, which is typically attached to applications of nonprofits that have been recognized. The IRS is only required to give out applications of groups recognized as tax-exempt.

In an email Thursday, an IRS spokeswoman said the agency had no record of an approved application for Crossroads GPS, meaning that the group's application was still in limbo.

"It has come to our attention that you are in receipt of application materials of organizations that have not been recognized by the IRS as tax-exempt," wrote the spokeswoman, Michelle Eldridge. She cited a law saying that publishing unauthorized returns or return information was a felony punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and imprisonment of up to five years, or both. The IRS would not comment further on the Crossroads application.

"ProPublica believes that the information we are publishing is not barred by the statute cited by the IRS, and it is clear to us that there is a strong First Amendment interest in its publication," said Richard Tofel, ProPublica's general manager.

ProPublica has redacted parts of the application to omit Crossroads' financial information.
 
We have a dead body - the improperly leaked data.

We don't PRESUME it was a mistake in advance, unless you are an apologist for criminals.

We wait until a complete investigation is launched and completed.

Until today there was none.

Now there is.

Why?

To look for a CRIME.

Jesus you are dense.

There are several other recent accusations of confidential IRS data of opponents to Obama being released other than the ProPublica flap. That was just one example.
 
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I'm glad you looked deeply into my 'non-factor' comment.

I don't have an opinion on this. I just think its hilarious. It's just another thing Repubs can freak out about. If you aren't dodging taxes/bending rules you have nothing to worry about.

But this is CLEARLY a ploy to take away your guns.

:lol:

Clearly.
 
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I wonder if all of these scandals are being intentionally dropped at once? It's the news equivalent of the "Friday Night Document Dump" or the accounting equivalent of "Taking A Bath". People can only pay attention to so much. Each one of these scandals on their own would dominate a news cycle. Together, the press can only choose one or two.

The Obama Administration could be playing it very smart. They'll have a bad few weeks and then it will fizzle out and they'll put all this stuff behind them.

I think your giving the administration to much credit, why take any heat if you can always fall back on gay marriage, guns and abortion to distract the masses from everything else.

Im reserving judgement on this whole issue, seems something fishy happened but Im not sure its on the "watergate" level or even a presidential scandal. I also feel repub's want a scandal SO bad that they are creating a hysteria everytime something remotely dubious happens. Its the boy who cried wolf syndrome. You all shout WATERGATE so much that the rest of us are so use to rolling our eyes.

I will leave it to you freedom fighters to uncover the real truth and if its as bad as you claim then I am on board, but I have my doubts.
 
We have a dead body - the improperly leaked data.

We don't PRESUME it was a mistake in advance, unless you are an apologist for criminals.

We wait until a complete investigation is launched and completed.

Until today there was none.

Now there is.

Why?

To look for a CRIME.

Jesus you are dense.

There are several other recent accusations of confidential IRS data of opponents to Obama being released other than the ProPublica flap. That was just one example.

Investigation to look for a possible crime is otherwise known as a fishing expedition.

The dead body fell out of the boat and drowned. Not a crime.

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I have near zero interest in defending Obama or even the government. However, I think it's really silly to be out on a witch hunt to destroy the man. I agree with donkiez above:

donkiez said:
I also feel repub's want a scandal SO bad that they are creating a hysteria everytime something remotely dubious happens. Its the boy who cried wolf syndrome. You all shout WATERGATE so much that the rest of us are so use to rolling our eyes.

(Well said!)
 
I don't have an opinion on this. I just think its hilarious. It's just another thing Repubs can freak out about. If you aren't dodging taxes/bending rules you have nothing to worry about.

This is simply not true. If the IRS was requiring more information to be given during the application process, those costs have to be borne by the organization whether the information is "bad" or "sensitive" or neither. This burden of paperwork can be legit, of course, because few of us want to have the tax laws ignored or circumvented. One of the primary issues here is not that an additional burden was placed on organizations, but that it was placed for political purposes in an asymmetrical fashion.

A second issue is that sensitive information was given to the government and then allegedly shared to political operatives and/or media on the other side. Misusing Federal executive power in this way is one of the most fundamentally disturbing things that can happen. From a historical perspective it is a big reason why we broke away from Britain.

A third issue is that both of the first two issues were raised contemporaneously. Meaning people who were audited or asked to do additional paperwork complained at the time, and there is a public record of accusations of it happening. Instead of a thorough and fair investigation and punishment for offending parties, the problem was ignored or otherwise swept under the rug.

None of these things mean that Obama is necessarily to blame, but they run in direct opposition to your assertion that "if you aren't dodging taxes/bending the rules you have nothing to worry about".

Ed O.
 
Originally Posted by Fez Hammersticks
I don't have an opinion on this. I just think its hilarious. It's just another thing Repubs can freak out about. If you aren't dodging taxes/bending rules you have nothing to worry about.

^The very definition of a Low Info Voter^
 
The woman in charge of the tax exempt department during this targeting is now the head of ObamaCare.

Scary stuff, for most intelligent citizens...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...-party-targeting-now-runs-health-care-office/

IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.
Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.

Grant announced today that he would retire June 3, despite being appointed as commissioner of the tax-exempt office May 8, a week ago.
As the House voted to fully repeal the Affordable Care Act Thursday evening, House Speaker John Boehner expressed “serious concerns” that the IRS is empowered as the law’s chief enforcer.

“Fully repealing ObamaCare will help us build a stronger, healthier economy, and will clear the way for patient-centered reforms that lower health care costs and protect jobs,” Boehner, R-Ohio, said.

“Obamacare empowers the agency that just violated the public’s trust by secretly targeting conservative groups,” Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “Even by Washington’s standards, that’s unacceptable.”

Sen. John Cornyn even introduced a bill, the “Keep the IRS Off Your Health Care Act of 2013,” which would prohibit the Secretary of the Treasury, or any delegate, including the IRS, from enforcing the Affordable Care Act.

“Now more than ever, we need to prevent the IRS from having any role in Americans’ health care,” Cornyn, R-Texas, stated. “I do not support Obamacare, and after the events of last week, I cannot support giving the IRS any more responsibility or taxpayer dollars to implement a broken law.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also reacted to the revelation late Thursday, stating the news was “stunning, just stunning.”
 

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