IRS Targeted Conservative Groups

[blazerboy30]

Let's look at it from a different angle.

Where are the damages?

If these groups were to sue the IRS for wrongful profiling (LOL), what would they ask for in penalties, and why?

Go ahead and look at it that way, if you want to waste your own time. That isn't what makes government agency actions wrong or right.

 

[Denny Crane]

Go ahead and look at it that way, if you want to waste your own time. That isn't what makes government agency actions wrong or right.

Government is made up of incompetent human beings. You can't sue them for doing their job poorly.

It is against the law for 501(c)3 organizations to be political in nature. So new organizations requesting tax exempt status who appear to be political in nature should be profiled.

I'm not seeing that any of these groups were denied tax exempt status, audited, or otherwise harassed.

 

[blazerboy30]

Government is made up of incompetent human beings. You can't sue them for doing their job poorly.

Cool strawman, bro.

It is against the law for 501(c)3 organizations to be political in nature. So new organizations requesting tax exempt status who appear to be political in nature should be profiled.

Organizations are different than individuals.

I'm not seeing that any of these groups were denied tax exempt status, audited, or otherwise harassed.

I know you're playing devil's advocate just to argue and drive up the page views, but remember your self-proclaimed libertarian views, Denny.

 

[Denny Crane]

Cool strawman, bro.



Organizations are different than individuals.



I know you're playing devil's advocate just to argue and drive up the page views, but remember your self-proclaimed libertarian views, Denny.

Your responses aren't responses to what I wrote. Whatever.

I'm no fan of the IRS. In my perfect world, there wouldn't be one and this sort of thing wouldn't be an issue.

There is an IRS. Their duty is to enforce hundreds of thousands of pages of tax code. The 501(c)4 status is seen by campaign finance watchdog groups as a way to get around disclosure rules and they put pressure on the IRS to try and catch groups (illegally) taking advantage of this loophole.

The senior official at the IRS, who is mentioned in the news stories, is a former FEC official. FWIW.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Lois-G.-Lerner-Selected-as-Director-of-IRS-Exempt-Organizations-Division

Lerner came to the IRS in 2001 from the Federal Election Commission, where she was Associate General Counsel for Enforcement and Acting General Counsel.

(my note: 2001 would be during the Bush administration)

 

[blazerboy30]

Your responses aren't responses to what I wrote. Whatever.

Yes. They are responses to your strawmen arguments.

My analogies earlier in the thread still hold.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes. They are responses to your strawmen arguments.

My analogies earlier in the thread still hold.

They're not strawmen. Your analogies are

What exactly do you want to see happen because the morons in the IRS botched doing their job 100% correctly?

I think people will be fired for their incompetence.

There's no smoking gun of any kind that suggests there was anything sinister that went on. Nothing linking Obama, his campaign, etc., to this.

There's no high crime or misdemeanor here. Not even close. If Obama ordered the IRS to scrutinize organizations with the name "tea party" in them, it wouldn't be a high crime or misdemeanor.

I'm really looking for what your complaint is. You seem to be making a similar complaint to your last wait at the DMV being a little long.

 

[oldguy]

I get your DMV analogy....but only if DMV made you wait while all of the registered democrats went through ahead of you because you are a libertarian, republican, or other party.

It still wouldn't be a high crime, but it would seem to be harassment and discrimination.

Go Blazers

 

[Denny Crane]

I get your DMV analogy....but only if DMV made you wait while all of the registered democrats went through ahead of you because you are a libertarian, republican, or other party.

It still wouldn't be a high crime, but it would seem to be harassment and discrimination.

Go Blazers

But they didn't deny all registered republicans. Not even close.

These analogies blow, but... It's more like the DMV deciding to make people who never had a truck driver's license take a driving test.

These groups are applying for 501(c)4 status so they can hide who their donors are and to have tax exempt status and to perform political activities. Personally, I don't think they should be able to shield their donors or even have tax exempt status.

 

[blazerboy30]

They're not strawmen. Your analogies are

What exactly do you want to see happen because the morons in the IRS botched doing their job 100% correctly?

I think people will be fired for their incompetence.

There's no smoking gun of any kind that suggests there was anything sinister that went on. Nothing linking Obama, his campaign, etc., to this.

There's no high crime or misdemeanor here. Not even close. If Obama ordered the IRS to scrutinize organizations with the name "tea party" in them, it wouldn't be a high crime or misdemeanor.

I'm really looking for what your complaint is. You seem to be making a similar complaint to your last wait at the DMV being a little long.

Yes, you've made it clear several times you don't get it.

You keep making up strawman after strawman. I never said it was Obama. Nice strawman.

I never said it was a "high crime". Nice strawman.

I never said this was somebody "botching their job". Nice strawman.

You're just rambling about some random topics you happen to want to type about at the time. If you want to discuss the actual topic and thread, let us know.

 

[blazerboy30]

But they didn't deny all registered republicans. Not even close.

These analogies blow, but... It's more like the DMV deciding to make people who never had a truck driver's license take a driving test.

WTF are you talking about? You're so far off with these "analogies" (and I have to use that word extremely loosely in this case) it is humorous. You keep ignoring the fact that it was completely political-leaning related.

 

[Denny Crane]

WTF are you talking about? You're so far off with these "analogies" (and I have to use that word extremely loosely in this case) it is humorous. You keep ignoring the fact that it was completely political-leaning related.

They're not strawmen. Your analogies are

What exactly do you want to see happen because the morons in the IRS botched doing their job 100% correctly?

I think people will be fired for their incompetence.

There's no smoking gun of any kind that suggests there was anything sinister that went on. Nothing linking Obama, his campaign, etc., to this.

There's no high crime or misdemeanor here. Not even close. If Obama ordered the IRS to scrutinize organizations with the name "tea party" in them, it wouldn't be a high crime or misdemeanor.

I'm really looking for what your complaint is. You seem to be making a similar complaint to your last wait at the DMV being a little long.

 

[blazerboy30]

They're not strawmen. Your analogies are

What exactly do you want to see happen because the morons in the IRS botched doing their job 100% correctly?

I think people will be fired for their incompetence.

There's no smoking gun of any kind that suggests there was anything sinister that went on. Nothing linking Obama, his campaign, etc., to this.

There's no high crime or misdemeanor here. Not even close. If Obama ordered the IRS to scrutinize organizations with the name "tea party" in them, it wouldn't be a high crime or misdemeanor.

I'm really looking for what your complaint is. You seem to be making a similar complaint to your last wait at the DMV being a little long.

Yes, you've made it clear several times you don't get it.

You keep making up strawman after strawman. I never said it was Obama. Nice strawman.

I never said it was a "high crime". Nice strawman.

I never said this was somebody "botching their job". Nice strawman.

You're just rambling about some random topics you happen to want to type about at the time. If you want to discuss the actual topic and thread, let us know.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, you've made it clear several times you don't get it.

You keep making up strawman after strawman. I never said it was Obama. Nice strawman.

I never said it was a "high crime". Nice strawman.

I never said this was somebody "botching their job". Nice strawman.

You're just rambling about some random topics you happen to want to type about at the time. If you want to discuss the actual topic and thread, let us know.

I'm really looking for what your complaint is. You seem to be making a similar complaint to your last wait at the DMV being a little long.

Again, as far as the evidence shows right now, the IRS went after people trying to cheat on taxes. Gosh, what a concept!

 

[blazerboy30]

Again, as far as the evidence shows right now, the IRS went after people trying to cheat on taxes. Gosh, what a concept!

That is just patently false.

The IRS is even apologizing for this issue, calling it inappropriate. The whitehouse called it inappropriate.

Keep playing dumb.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

That is just patently false.

The IRS is even apologizing for this issue, calling it inappropriate. The whitehouse called it inappropriate.

Keep playing dumb.

lol I have to ask....why let Denny troll you? If even some Dems are hopping on the band wagon and obama has made a statement with the inclusion that the IRS was a seperate entinty....dude...

 

[blazerboy30]

lol I have to ask....why let Denny troll you? If even some Dems are hopping on the band wagon and obama has made a statement with the inclusion that the IRS was a seperate entinty....dude...

He's all about the increased page views! :MARIS61:

 

[Denny Crane]

That is just patently false.

The IRS is even apologizing for this issue, calling it inappropriate. The whitehouse called it inappropriate.

Keep playing dumb.

This has nothing to do with increased page views.

I've stated the case numerous times and ways. Other posters have understood my position.

The IRS is apologizing for the issue, as they went about doing the right thing the wrong way.

I pointed out that people are likely to be fired over it.

So what the fuck more do you want?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

So what was Obamas crime here? How is this like Watergate?

 

[Denny Crane]

So what was Obamas crime here? How is this like Watergate?

Careful. You're bringing up a strawman!

 

[blazerboy30]

Careful. You're bringing up a strawman!

Reading comprehension issues, Denny. Direct those Watergate references to papag as they have nothing to do with me. You're being purposefully intellectually irresponsible.

 

[blazerboy30]

This has nothing to do with increased page views.

I've stated the case numerous times and ways. Other posters have understood my position.

The IRS is apologizing for the issue, as they went about doing the right thing the wrong way.

I pointed out that people are likely to be fired over it.

So what the fuck more do you want?

Actually, not a single poster that replied to this thread agreed with or understood your position.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

No I'm serious...was there a crime?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Sorry just figured someone could give me the synopsis

 

[blazerboy30]

No I'm serious...was there a crime?

I never claimed a "crime" was committed. Denny keeps bringing up that strawman though.

 

[julius]

So what was Obamas crime here? How is this like Watergate?

Wasn't the guy who was responsible for this hired under the previous administration?

 

[oldguy]

Yep, we should have known....it's Bush's fault.

Go Blazers

 

[Denny Crane]

Yep, we should have known....it's Bush's fault.

Go Blazers

It's not Bush's fault. But it's hard to believe a Bush appointee would be partisan in favor of Democrats, no?

 

[MickZagger]

Can someone pass me one of those tinfoil hats?

 

[julius]

Yep, we should have known....it's Bush's fault.

Go Blazers

which isn't what I said, but thanks for bringing back the catch phrase.

I just think it's weird that a appointee by a conservative (well, republican, he wasn't a conservative in the sense of what conservatism is now) was the one who was behind the targeting of political groups.

 

[maxiep]

So were Woodward and Bernstein.

Who are the Woodward and Bernstein today? We need a strong and skeptical press. We don't have it.