Is Aldridge Really a Terrible Rebounder?

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Cake said:
We only averaged 2.1 more rebounds per game than our opponents. That's not an elite rebounding team.

It's not like he has to be a great rebounder to be a good player. I'm not sure why you're crusading against people who think he's not very good at rebounding.
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In terms of rebound % the past two seasons, it certainly is elite.
 
hasoos said:
Really? Are you sure about that?

How about scoring? That number is 38th.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...itScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=



http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...itScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

Looked like 34th to me.

In case you haven't been paying attention, in order to be an all star level power forward, you usually have to be top 3 in your conference, minimum. Last time I looked, both teams that made the finals had an all star level power forward performing on their team. Not a 7th to 8th best in the western conference alone.

We have already been over this. If you went through the listings of Western Conference Power Forwards from last year, the highest he could have possibily been rated was 6th in this conference alone. That doesn't even consider the whole league, and to top it off, there are other players who are comparable to what he brings to the table. Every single one of those power forwards listed ahead of him (Gasol, Boozer, Nowitzki, Stoudemire, Duncan) make the playoffs every year. That means against those teams you are going into the game at a disadvantage. When the difference is 2 to 4 rebounds per game, that is 2 to 4 more possessions per game that the other team gets to try to score. When you are playing in games decided by a point, that is huge.
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ESPN has the players who actually qualified for leading those categories.

Kevin Martin averaged 20.6 ppg in 45 games. Whoopedy doo!

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds

Aldridge 31st in scoring among those who qualified in amount of games played, and 23rd in rebounding.
 
BGrantFan said:
In terms of rebound % the past two seasons, it certainly is elite.
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By my calculation, we were 7th in the league last season. I guess it could just be semantics, but I don't think that means we're elite.

True, we were 1st the year before...but Aldridge's rebound percentage was similar both years. And like blazerboy30 asked above...what do you want to hear? How would you describe his rebounding? Nobody is saying he's a terrible rebounder. Some people, me for example, believe he's a bit below average. Is that so bad?
 
BGrantFan said:
In terms of rebound % the past two seasons, it certainly is elite.
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It is nearly identical to the Lakers (+2.134), but much less than a team like OKC (+2.84) or ORL (+3.23). That said, the Lakers won a championship without an elite rebounding squad, or a fast pace (they were average), or even an average FG% (they were below average). Hell, they were below average in FTA's. Their FTA differential? +2.54 a game. That's +1.94 points per game (when multiplied by the FT%) from the line, which accounts for about 40% of their point differential (+4.72 ppg).

Anyway, I ramble.
 
If Aldridge wants to ever sniff an All-Star game he needs to put up 20/10 type numbers. Until that time comes, he can continue to play his brand of basketball; face up jumpers and getting outworked and out-bruted by his opponent.

He has 1 game about every 5 games where he really brings it, plays hard on the boards, gets tough. Thats usually when someone in the media calls him out for being soft and he decides to do his best impression of a man.

Like someone brought up earlier, 11 double-doubles in a season from your starting 4 averaging 38 minutes a game aint gonna cut it.

Shoot Tim Duncan is old and crusty and he can put up better #'s than LaMarcus in much less minutes.
 
HCP said:
This is what motherfucking Tyrus Thomas averaged last year!!!! OUR could-be starting PF!
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Its not that simple.

Chris Paul could've been our PG, but instead we drafted that scrub Martell.
 
It is that simple NoPo....... Tyrus was OURS, and we got LA for NOTHING! I am happy with 18/8 from my starting PF!
 
HCP said:
It is that simple NoPo....... Tyrus was OURS, and we got LA for NOTHING! I am happy with 18/8 from my starting PF!
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Chris Paul could have been ours. I'd be more happy with the best PG in the league.
 
I know how it works, we could have had CP3, but with him we win more games and don't get a chance to have LA. and Brandon etc. etc. etc. I'm just tired of everybody KILLIN' LA when we don't have it that bad. I'm just saying, it could be worse.
 
HCP said:
I know how it works, we could have had CP3, but with him we win more games and don't get a chance to have LA. and Brandon etc. etc. etc. I'm just tired of everybody KILLIN' LA when we don't have it that bad. I'm just saying, it could be worse.
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I honestly don't see where saying LMA is not an elite player is killing the guy.

He is a good big man who needs to learn to take a single step backwards when he thinks about shooting from deep.

I don't believe he is the second best player on a championship team but I don't think that is like saying the dude is a pile of shit.


And can we please never ever talk about the Martell draft again. That draft was worse then the MJ/Bowie pick.
 
2009-10 rebounds per 48 minutes against playoff teams

17.5 Oden
17.4 Camby
15.7 Przybilla
11.4 Tolliver
11.0 Pendergraph
10.8 Cunningham
10.1 Howard
09.9 Aldridge
09.6 Outlaw
07.0 Batum
06.4 Webster
05.5 Roy

Tolliver, Cunningham, and Outlaw aren't considered very good rebounders, but Aldridge is no better. Batum is overrated as a rebounder. And have I ever mentioned that we should have kept Juwan Howard, who can play both center and forward, unlike almost all these guys?

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...-trail-blazers/team/playerstats/10/25/9-3-reb
 
LA isn't garbage at rebounding, but he doesn't exactly have a great nose for the ball either ... I think the real issue is that he hasn't been an especially high motor guy in his time here and that's not to say that you don't sometimes want a skilled finesse player, but it sure would be nice to see him dial up the nasty a little bit and fight for loose balls, fight for post position and really body guys up in the post.
 
andalusian said:
I suspect that when he was drafted as a #2 in a class that Bargnani went #1 - it was far from clear that he would be a runaway elite player, he was labeled a project - and so far, has proved to be a very good player if not elite, yet. There is one player that is clearly beter than him from this draft class (Roy) and one questionable but likely better (Rondo). Overall, let's just be happy it did not end up like Marvin Williams over CP3/Deron or Darko over Melo, Bosh, Wade....
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Rondo is easily better than LMA, come on!
 
hasoos said:
There is no mystery to winning in the NBA. If you have an efficient offense and outrebound your opponent you will win most of your games. Period. Steals are nice and all, but the best way to get extra possessions is to rebound. Rebound, Rebound, and then rebound some more. You aren't going to get the steals every night. But rebounds is something you can control, and with that, control your teams destiny.
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Great post and it's the number one reason I think Oden will be a massive impact player if he can stay healthy. I'm surprised to not see the article where Przybilla and Camby both say Oden is going to be an All-star and prove people wrong. Anyways, it will happen or it won't we'll see.

Aldridge is what he is 18/8 and I don't expect to see that change. He would be great as the third option on the team behind Roy and Oden. Of course Oden has to actually play some games for that to happen.
 
I'd rather have LA and Dre, then Rondo and ?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
LaMarcus's rebounding does not correlate to wins strongly; in fact, when he gets 9+ total rebounds in a game (31 times last season), the Blazers were 18-13 (.580) -- below their winning average of .610. When he gets 10+ rebounds, it goes up slightly (.583) but really, there's no strong indicator that LMA getting more rebounds actually helps the team win more.

What does seem to correlate strongly is Field Goals made, regardless of percentage. If LMA hits 8 or more shots in a game (this happened 39 times), the Blazers were 27-12 (.692). This is the second-strongest correlation.

Of course, the better he shoots, the better the Blazers do: 37 times he shot .500 or better, and the Blazers went 28-9 (.756). This is the strongest correlation of LMA's game to Blazer wins.

But the FGM stat being the #2 correlation surprised me, until I remembered that Roy's AST stats were also a strong correlation, about as strong as LMA's FGM correlation. I can't know, but I wonder if Roy-to-LaMarcus assists are the key here.

Regardless, you hear "LMA hits 8 shots" and "Blazers win!" in the same sentence much more than "LMA grabs 10 rebounds" and "Blazers win!".
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Awesome post, repped and I hope you tape it to Roy's locker.
 
Idog1976 said:
Rondo is easily better than LMA, come on!
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Not that easy for me to tell, honestly. I wonder what Rondo would do if he had only one good player ahead of him in the rotation instead of playing next to some great players like KG, Ray Ray and PP.

I think if I had to make a stand I would say Rondo is better than LMA - but it is not clear cut for me.
 
ebott said:
Someone saying ZBo still being on the team would be a good thing. Yeah, that's the end of this thread.
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ZBo averages 20/10 nothing wrong with him

save that he doesn't play defense, Black hole on offense, and he has always been on losing teams.

Okay yea screw ZBo i'll take LMA over him anyday.
 
It's easy to talk of motor, hustle, etc. when looking at Aldridge's rebounds. I'm curious how much of his rebounding is scheme related. As has been pointed out many times, for one, he plays alongside very good rebounding big men. Knowing that, how often does he look to leak out on rebounds? Not to say we actually run, but he leaks out, hurting rebound totals. That's on coaching and scheme. If he does this even 5 times a game, that's 5 less rebounding opportunities. If a team runs a pick and roll against us, it leaves Aldridge near the top of the key at the end of the play. Not a great rebounding opportunity from up there. Same with offense, if we run the pick and pop with him.
No, he's not an elite rebounder. But I think our style of play on defense with Aldridge has more to do with that. He's 18th in the league in offensive rebounding, yet drops to 35th on defensive rebounding.
More important to me, I had noticed recently on 82games.com that Aldridge actually out-rebounds his opponent on average. So if LMA isn't getting us 12 a night, as long as his counterpart isn't as well, doesn't that matter more? If per 48, he averages 10.5, and his opponent 9.5, well, that's a win to me. Someone might average more throughout the season, but Aldridge averages more rebounds head to head than the opposing PF.
 
andalusian said:
Dre, Roy, Batum, LMA, Camby/Oden?

or

Rondo, Roy, Batum, ZBo, Camby/Oden?
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Definitely I'd prefer the second one. Two nearly-dominant scorers and three excellent defenders.

Ed O.
 
No centers last night, and LaMarcus has 7 boards in 28 minutes. Maybe there is something to the theory of the the different rebounding role Nate uses for LA when one of the three great rebounding centers are healthy? Aldridge outplayed David Lee on the boards last night.
 
BGrantFan said:
No centers last night, and LaMarcus has 7 boards in 28 minutes. Maybe there is something to the theory of the the different rebounding role Nate uses for LA when one of the three great rebounding centers are healthy? Aldridge outplayed David Lee on the boards last night.
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Huh?

Lee had 11 rebounds in 27 minutes.
 
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