Is Canzano Losing It?!

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It was a fair and good column. Interesting take, provocative. That is his job. I don't get why everyone here rails on him so much. He's a sports columnist. He writes sports columns. He's a good writer, not a homer, knows his stuff.
 
Stevenson said:
It was a fair and good column. Interesting take, provocative. That is his job. I don't get why everyone here rails on him so much. He's a sports columnist. He writes sports columns. He's a good writer, not a homer, knows his stuff.
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He knows the emotional story lines, but he doesn't know the CBA, or how trades can actually work.

He also knows how to say something, without saying it, so when he get's emails about it he can either denying saying it (because he didn't actually say it) or say he did say it (without actually saying it).
 
"Is Canzano losing it it?"

Honestly, I'm not sure if he ever had "it."
 
Stevenson said:
I don't get why everyone here rails on him so much.
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Because, in this case, it's FAR too early to be fanning these types of flames. In fact, it's a veritable insult to me, as a fan, to be trotting out rubbish such that the fans should establish some sort of one-year contracts with the team. Isn't that what season tickets are.....effectively, one-year contracts......the Blazers' "only" fan guarantee?

As an aside, though, I'd love to see Canzano write a piece about Martell's improvements.
 
ABM said:
Because, in this case, it's FAR too early to be fanning these types of flames. In fact, it's a veritable insult to me, as a fan, to be trotting out rubbish such that the fans should establish some sort of one-year contracts with the team. Isn't that what season tickets are.....effectively, one-year contracts......the Blazers' "only" fan guarantee?

As an aside, though, I'd love to see Canzano write a piece about Martell's improvements.
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He writes for ratings, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Stevenson said:
It was a fair and good column. Interesting take, provocative. That is his job. I don't get why everyone here rails on him so much. He's a sports columnist. He writes sports columns. He's a good writer, not a homer, knows his stuff.
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He's a sensationalist. He reuses the same basic story premise for all of his 'outstanding' articles. Tear-jerker about some down on their luck person then goes on to remind his reader base that there are bigger things in life than sports.

He has consistently called out people in the paper and his blog for how they don't take responsibility for making mistakes, or for getting things wrong. Yet when he himself consistently butchers the basic understanding of the CBA, facts about Blazer players and personnel, and other random players/facts about whatever league he is writing about he does not admit it. I have personally seen (and done it myself) him be corrected in the comments section of his blog post only to see the information in his blog be corrected later (with no mention or cross out) in the day with the correcting post in the comments section mysteriously removed.

You know my favorite Canzano moment was when he was the source for Quick claiming Iavaroni was going to be the head coach, and when it came out that he was the source and was wrong. You know what Canzano did? He wrote an article the next day blaming Nash and Patterson for not being forth coming enough with the local media guys so they couldn't break stories. He said that because the organization was shrouded in secrecy they (Quick and he) couldn't get the people the right information.

Not that he messed up, not that he heard wrong. It was their fault for him not cross-checking his information before he gave it to Quick.

Plus that whole thing where he makes himself the story in 95% of his articles is pretty annoying too.
 
ABM said:
Does he actually believe the stuff he writes? One-year fan contract? That's about as a non-sensical approach as I ever read from him:

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/how_about_a_oneyear_deal_for_b.html
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I'm beginning to feel that way.

- The Roy contract fiasco
- The Comcast fiasco
- Threats about Paul Allen not "subsidizing" the team to stay in Portland
- Elevated ticket prices in a poor economy, some as much as 300%

The Blazers sure don't seem to have much loyalty to their players or their fans. I'm happy Canzano wrote this article.
 
One of those pointless, not as smart as it thinks it is JC articles where it just meanders and never actually goes anywhere.
 
If you can take your emotions out of it and put aside your disgust or disdain for Canzano for a moment (and I certainly have excess of each to spare) it's actually a pretty good article. All he's really saying is that organizations (or anybody really) aren't worthy of blind devotion, and if they start fucking up people should feel they have the option to disinvest themselves emotionally.

I don't mind the larger point being given here: If you think professional sports teams (players, coaches and management) are loyal to fans out of some sense of emotional attachment and are not just interested in selling you a product and taking your money, think again. Therefore why should fans be blindly loyal?
 
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Nikolokolus said:
If you think professional sports teams (players, coaches and management) are loyal to fans out of some sense of emotional attachment and are not just interested in selling you a product and taking your money, think again. Therefore why should fans be blindly loyal?
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See, you just wrote a better column than he did.
 
I still think that once this Milsap contract is or isnt matched by Utah, thats when the extension talks are going to be more focused and the deals will be agreed on soon after.
 
<-=*PdX*=-> said:
I still think that once this Milsap contract is or isnt matched by Utah, thats when the extension talks are going to be more focused and the deals will be agreed on soon after.
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So Millsap takes priority over Roy/LMA? Or will Roy/LMA get higher offers if Millsap is matched? Somebody had better clue Roy in to this, because he seems to think that there are serious and focused negotiations ongoing right now.
 
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This article would carry more weight under 2 conditions.

First, I doubt Canzano has a clue what the issue is. "New CBA?" "NFL syle hard cap?" "Sorry, no hablo difficult information."

Second, it is easy to tell other people to give up their emotional investment in the team, when *your* emotional investment is negative! It would be different if the guy actually liked the team.
 
oldmangrouch said:
This article would carry more weight under 2 conditions.

First, I doubt Canzano has a clue what the issue is. "New CBA?" "NFL syle hard cap?" "Sorry, no hablo difficult information."

Second, it is easy to tell other people to give up their emotional investment in the team, when *your* emotional investment is negative! It would be different if the guy actually liked the team.
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I didn't read it as Canzano telling people how to act. If the team bungles certain moves in the future, fans start to go away. We've already had that happen once in the past decade. I also like the new penny-pinching philosophy that Leiweke talks about, considering the team raised ticket prices (some dramatically) in a market with the 2nd highest unemployment rate in the nation.
 
Canzano should be fired- he enjoys accentuating the negative. I often regret reading his pieces. The sad thing is that he has some points- Roy should be extended for the full five years- as a top five player, he's worth the max. And pritchard's moves have been questionable, though I still hold out hope.

I would have loved to have had either Jefferson or Vince Carter here and it seems doubtful at this point that we'll pick up anyone with similar talent.

But, at this point, waiting until the trade deadline may be the only option.
 
You know I had some respect for Canzano before this whole Brandon Roy mess. He's a columnist: he's supposed to be controversial, fun, and cause some stir. Sometimes I'd agree with him, sometimes I'd disagree, but I couldn't care less. But who does he think he is putting words in Brandon's mouth and thus causing this whole fiasco with Brandon's contract? It's ridiculous. Everyone in the world knows Brandon will be re-signed. I know it. You know it. Your friends know it. The pet dog knows it. He's just trying to find something fun to write about during a time where there's not much going on, but he did so in a completely inappropriate manner. I mean read what ONLY BRANDON said in this report: http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/brandon_roy_to_blazers_ive_don.html

Now where in that report does Brandon come across as being "frustrated and disappointed"? He sounds to me like that yes, sure, he'd love to get a contract signed (as would any other player in pro sports), but he understands that with NBA contracts comes negotiations. Frustrated and disappointed are NOT accurate words to use. Not even close. It's a textbook example of putting words in someone's mouth, and I lost a lot of respect toward Canzano for lowering himself to doing that.
 
And these kind of reactions is why hes good at his job... of course not everyone is going to agree with him, hes in a business too.. They need to keep the readers interested so he writes what he must. I kind of agree with what he is saying even though I do not like the way he wrote it, but im not worried about it, I think Roy and Aldridge will both be signed to extensions and im surprised so many people are on Nates case when it SEEMS like 70% of the people dont think hes the coach to take us to a championship. I think its a win win.


p.s. about damn time this site lets me sign in, lol.. didnt know I had to go to the main page to sign in, been reading hear a lot. see ya around.
 
What a stupid column. Rabble rabble.

Ed O.
 
ABM said:
Because, in this case, it's FAR too early to be fanning these types of flames. In fact, it's a veritable insult to me, as a fan, to be trotting out rubbish such that the fans should establish some sort of one-year contracts with the team. Isn't that what season tickets are.....effectively, one-year contracts......the Blazers' "only" fan guarantee?

As an aside, though, I'd love to see Canzano write a piece about Martell's improvements.
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Why should he do that? Martel hasn't played a full game in a year and all that will do is raise expectations on a average player. I beleive the blazers got railed on for pumping up Oden and giving fans too much to expect. I don't really like the article either, but I am glad we have a columnist who don't just throw soft ball questions. I know at time it may be out of line, but do you want our information coming from Wheels, or Rice who work for the organization? I don't dislike those guys, but sometimes I'm sure they have to squash their opinions because of their employer. If they thought KP made a mistake, they couldn't say that. It would sound more like " I'm not sure why he made that move or didn't make that move, but in KP we trust." Sorry, i don't mind a columnist who ruffles feathers and writes articles I don' always are with.
 
TehChad said:
You know I had some respect for Canzano before this whole Brandon Roy mess. He's a columnist: he's supposed to be controversial, fun, and cause some stir. Sometimes I'd agree with him, sometimes I'd disagree, but I couldn't care less. But who does he think he is putting words in Brandon's mouth and thus causing this whole fiasco with Brandon's contract? It's ridiculous. Everyone in the world knows Brandon will be re-signed. I know it. You know it. Your friends know it. The pet dog knows it. He's just trying to find something fun to write about during a time where there's not much going on, but he did so in a completely inappropriate manner. I mean read what ONLY BRANDON said in this report: http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/brandon_roy_to_blazers_ive_don.html

Now where in that report does Brandon come across as being "frustrated and disappointed"? He sounds to me like that yes, sure, he'd love to get a contract signed (as would any other player in pro sports), but he understands that with NBA contracts comes negotiations. Frustrated and disappointed are NOT accurate words to use. Not even close. It's a textbook example of putting words in someone's mouth, and I lost a lot of respect toward Canzano for lowering himself to doing that.
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Roy texted Brian Wheeler yesterday saying he is "frustrated and disappointed" about his contract situation, and that he would be putting out a statement next week regarding it. He also used those words on KJR in Seattle yesterday. Knowing this, your entire post should probably be retracted. :)
 
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PapaG said:
...the team raised ticket prices (some dramatically) in a market with the 2nd highest unemployment rate in the nation.
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The current product is commensurate to that move.

Aren't the Blazers getting the FA stuff out of the way prior to re-upping Roy/LMA? There is no doubt in my mind that KP & Co. will get that done.........to everyone's satisfaction. They've given me no reason to think otherwise these past few years.
 
PapaG said:
Roy texted Brian Wheeler yesterday saying he is "frustrated and disappointed" about his contract situation, and that he would be putting out a statement next week regarding it. He also used those words on KJR in Seattle yesterday. Knowing this, your entire post should probably be retracted. :)
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I see you've quickly become boorish on the Blazers. Way to go, man. ;)
 
ABM said:
I see you've quickly become boorish on the Blazers. Way to go, man. ;)
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Stating facts is "boorish"? Those things happened, and the post I was answering said they did not. How I feel about them being said is another story. ;)
 
I was a Blazer fan from their inception and will die a Blazer fan. Some bad years, cheering for undeserving players, having a GM I didn't like or an owner I thought was going about building the team the wrong way won't change that. This team represents my home town.

There are better parents, aunts, uncles and cousins than mine out there, but it doesn't matter. My family is my family. There are high schools and colleges with better sports progams out there, but I have school pride. There are even better fans and posters than you lot, but fuck them. You're all Blazer fans and because of that I'll always have your back against other team's fan bases, even though we disagree in here.

I'm a knuckle-dragging simpleton who is a sucker in John Cazano's eyes. You know what? I can live with his judgment. Loyalty is a virtue.

Go. Blazers.
 
PapaG said:
Stating facts is "boorish"? Those things happened, and the post I was answering said they did not. How I feel about them being said is another story. ;)
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I'm referring to your posts in their totality these days. Personally, I had thought you were a bit more prudent than what you've been exhibiting on the matter.
 
ABM said:
I'm referring to your posts in their totality these days. Personally, I had thought you were a bit more prudent than what you've been exhibiting on the matter.
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Yeah, I've defended the team almost to a fault in the past. That defense ends when negotiations with Brandon Roy start to look much more complicated than they should be. It makes me take a different view of things, and some things I've uncovered (Leiweke's statement, rising ticket prices, skimping on offering Roy, no movement on the TV situation) have me questioning what is going on in Seattle. I hope Roy signs a 5 year deal he is happy with, and I hope to be writing how wrong I was. I'm not afraid to do that.
 
PapaG said:
Yeah, I've defended the team almost to a fault in the past. That defense ends when negotiations with Brandon Roy start to look much more complicated than they should be. It makes me take a different view of things, and some things I've uncovered (Leiweke's statement, rising ticket prices, skimping on offering Roy, no movement on the TV situation) have me questioning what is going on in Seattle. I hope Roy signs a 5 year deal he is happy with, and I hope to be writing how wrong I was. I'm not afraid to do that.
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I'm down with that. That said, get back to me after Roy trots out his statement, then let's compare notes. :cheers:
 
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