Is Chauncey Billups ruining the franchise?

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Phatguysrule said:
You leave a kid in with 3 fouls in the first half? Really? That's... good coaching?
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Honestly it can be. If Scoot were our best player and we needed this win it's terrible coaching. Scoot however is a guy who in the future might need to play through early foul trouble because maybe he will be our best player and maybe it will be a must win situation.

Microanalysis of Chauncey's coaching has become absurd. I personally think he should be putting Shaedon and Scoot in situations to succeed but when given the chance he should be putting them in tough situations to see how they handle them and then coach them up afterward.

Seriously, I still do not know if Chauncey could be a good coach for a roster that makes sense... I really don't know. These rosters he's been given have been so absolutely fucked up and have had conflicting interests every game he's coached. Maybe Chauncey is a bad coach but him playing Scoot with three fouls in that situation does nothing to prove that. Him turning this team's effort and attitude around the last few games has been impressive though, hasn't it???
 
Phatguysrule said:
You leave a kid in with 3 fouls in the first half? Really? That's... good coaching?
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Did it make any difference? What were we saving him for, the end of the game? He had some bad calls go against him. It happens. Sitting him was not going to help.
It could have been the right call if he hadn't committed another foul. You want to leave him in so he could get into a rhythm. The only reason to sit him was to save him for the end of the game, and we all know he is not needed for that.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Did it make any difference? What were we saving him for, the end of the game? He had some bad calls go against him. It happens. Sitting him was not going to help.
It could have been the right call if he hadn't committed another foul. You want to leave him in so he could get into a rhythm. The only reason to sit him was to save him for the end of the game, and we all know he is not needed for that.
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In those situations oftentimes it helps to just remove the guy. Then the refs can get a break from seeing him and he gets removed from the situation.

Sometimes a guy will do that and get one foul on the second half and finish the game out with four fouls.

You're saving him because you're trying to get him as many minutes as possible.
 
Billups is hurting it but Cronin is not helping either so as far as i am concerned the blame between the two taking out the players is ---

Billups - 40%
Cronin - 60%

If Cronin did his job then at least one of Grant or Ant would already be gone but he over played his hand and now he is behind the eight ball in more ways then one .
 
tlongII said:
Coaches don't "ruin" franchises. Ownership and to some degree GM's do.
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Joe Cronin didn't make the decision to bench Scoot Henderson in favor of Anfernee Simons.
That's 100% Chauncey Billups.

The reason everyone wants to trade Simons is because of Billups, so don't give that knucklehead a pass.
 
No, it was ruined already. As many of us have posted for years and been bitching about relentlessly the vets on this roster have never made sense.

Billups is simply executing what Cronin designed.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Joe Cronin didn't make the decision to bench Scoot Henderson in favor of Anfernee Simons.
That's 100% Chauncey Billups.

The reason everyone wants to trade Simons is because of Billups, so don't give that knucklehead a pass.
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You don't think that Chauncey has at least two mandates that are conflicting? One being to develop the prospects and the other being not to tank the value of the vets.

The other explanation is that Chauncey is just trying to win games and when Ant, Jerami and Deandre are engaged, they are the best players at contributing to wins that we have at their positions... most likely it's a lot more complicated than that with Joe talking to Chauncey a lot about who starts and when guys are going to sit out for injuries. In post game pressers, when Chauncey gets asked about the injuriy status of players who were not playing in the game he always says he doesn't control that.

I doubt he's making the calls right now but if he is I have to think it's in lockstep with the front office.
 
I think Chauncey is a pretty good defensive coach and a sub-par offensive coach. However, my guess is that the marching orders he has are to feature the vets before the trade deadline to help with the trade market. I am willing to bet that once the trade deadline is past all the vets that remain will be resting / hurt and see their roles diminish.

So, no, I do not think he is ruining the franchise. I think that rebuilding an NBA franchise, especially when a new GM comes in is an exercise that takes years unless the previous administration accumulated assets/picks - which the NeO regime did not. So, I do not think anyone is ruining the Franchise. It's simply is where it belongs given the need to rebuild after a sub-par GM regime.
 
Just an observation from what I saw on the Charlotte feed. It looked to me that Deni was getting a little tired of being pulled aside and being micro-coached by Billups.
 
Hire Tuomas Iisalo from Memphis right now.

Sit everyone good and lose every game to close the season.
 
OP? - Is Chauncey Billups ruining the franchise?

lol no. Hyperbole much?

STOMP
 
ant said:
That’s true. But Sharpe is playing a lot less minutes than the starters (barely 24 last night)
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He's averaging 31 MPG for the season, which is starter minutes. And to state the obvious, NBA MPG is far from the only way young guys improve

STOMP
 
Chauncey is a lame duck coach who knows its probably his last season here. So if you think about it, what reason does he really have to develop kids he won't likely be coaching? Versus trying to win games. Might as well try to pad that win total. Nobody will look at the rebuild when they simply discuss his poor coaching record. This one's on the GM.
 
What about Rupert getting no minutes ?
RR7 said:
Chauncey is a lame duck coach who knows its probably his last season here. So if you think about it, what reason does he really have to develop kids he won't likely be coaching? Versus trying to win games. Might as well try to pad that win total. Nobody will look at the rebuild when they simply discuss his poor coaching record. This one's on the GM.
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I believe this is the most likely scenario. Dead man walking and he wants to go out with wins.
 
I don't have a problem at all with Billups coaching the roster to get wins. In fact I'd argue that's what a coach should always be doing.

It's the job of the GM to put the right mix of vets on the roster so the young talent has clear roles and clear opportunities for growth.

Billups isn't the one who designed a roster to have 100 million tied up in irrelevant vets that warrant starting and are entitled to shots.

The current Blazers roles is the predictable outcome of a roster that never made sense going back to the draft when Cronin set it up.

This roster probably should have been changed when Olshey was fired and we did the Clippers trade. If not then, than certainly when we traded Dame. If not then, than certainly that deadline. If not then, than certainly last draft. If not then, than certainly by the deadline in a few weeks.

We keep waiting for Cronin to do moves that make logic sense, but at some point we should probably just expect this team to be ran without any strategic direction as that's all we've had since Olshey was fired.
 
In this draft, right now, We need to lose every game from here on out.

There is nothing else that this team could do the rest of the season that could possibly improve the team more than the draft possibly could.

I definitely have some concerns about the GM. But Chauncey has handled this horribly. I want him gone. We need to offer Tuomas Iisalo (Memphis's lead assistant) whatever it takes to bring him in as our coach. And we need to get it locked in now. He can finish out his season with Memphis (if that's even allowed).

Chauncey can't coach this team anymore, if I'm Jody or Joe. I don't care if he gets bumped up to a management role or whatever.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
In this draft, right now, We need to lose every game from here on out.

There is nothing else that this team could do the rest of the season that could possibly improve the team more than the draft possibly could.

I definitely have some concerns about the GM. But Chauncey has handled this horribly. I want him gone. We need to offer Tuomas Iisalo (Memphis's lead assistant) whatever it takes to bring him in as our coach. And we need to get it locked in now. He can finish out his season with Memphis (if that's even allowed).

Chauncey can't coach this team anymore, if I'm Jody or Joe. I don't care if he gets bumped up to a management role or whatever.
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Too late, the ship has sailed.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Just an observation from what I saw on the Charlotte feed. It looked to me that Deni was getting a little tired of being pulled aside and being micro-coached by Billups.
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I saw it twice. During timeouts, Billups used his arms to show Aveeja how to do something, and Aveeja tried to escape like the rebellious student who can't spell.
 
jlprk said:
I saw it twice. During timeouts, Billups used his arms to show Aveeja how to do something, and Aveeja tried to escape like the rebellious student who can't spell.
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Chauncy will get tired of it and bring Deni off the bench behind Grant, who does everything better...
 
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