Notice Is Dame Overated? (2 Viewers)

[Orion Bailey]

This may not go over well, but Ive been wondering. Other than his late game heroics and clutch shooting, combined with his superb personality, Is he overrated?

He has had some incredible historic games no doubt, but he is not consistent. He doesn't play defense and he is in a comfort zone it seems.

Dont get me wrong, I love Dame, but I think the kinks in the armor have never been more glaring than now.

His kinks? Too much loyalty.

With Dame being our franchise player, is he leading us down a path of mediocrity with his unconditional support of Stotts?

Is it just that he needs help? Another all star or two? If so, he also needs to recognize this and stop being loyal to players less than capable of being an all star.

Does he want to win? Or just float along as a .500 team and never win?

Franchise players have alot of pull and he could be pulling hard, but has not and never has.

I'm done listening to the talk, lets see some walk....

 

[TBpup]

I've seen this more and more from fans in a variety of venues. It's not that they don't love Dame, but they question his abject loyalty to a coach that hasn't adapted to their biggest Achilles heel. Also, for being such a great leader, Dame isn't demanding more on defense....starting with himself. He has done a great job as a scorer, and no one can doubt his work ethic (on offense), but he has yet to impact the team in much of a measurable way other than mostly year after year medicrity and enbabling his best friend to basically be just like he is....all offense, little defense.

 

[wizenheimer]

looks like a lot of this is simply shifting blame to Dame from Olshey. Dame isn't the GM; he hasn't brought championships to Portland so he doesn't have Lebron's cache...or his size or talent

Dame's 'loyalty' didn't prevent Barton or Plumlee being traded when those trades suited the designs of Olshey. It's not preventing any needed moves right now

it's disgusting how Olshey is allowed to skate around the treadmill he designed with little accountability. He's ridden Dame's talent to 40-50 million dollars in paychecks, and now, in the minds of some Blazer fans, Dame is apparently shielding Olshey for blame Olshey richly deserves

 

[Strenuus]

Didn't read a word of it.

No.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Imagine if I said this lol

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't know if he is over-rated; but he needs to realize he needs to get out of his comfort zone and make another leap up as a player.

 

[TBpup]

looks like a lot of this is simply shifting blame to Dame from Olshey. Dame isn't the GM; he hasn't brought championships to Portland so he doesn't have Lebron's cache...or his size or talent

Dame's 'loyalty' didn't prevent Barton or Plumlee being traded when those trades suited the designs of Olshey. It's not preventing any needed moves right now

it's disgusting how Olshey is allowed to skate around the treadmill he designed with little accountability. He's ridden Dame's talent to 40-50 million dollars in paychecks, and now, in the minds of some Blazer fans, Dame is apparently shielding Olshey for blame Olshey richly deserves

I don't think anyone is blaming Dame for Olshey's inopportune ineptness at times. However, Dame is not likely entirely blameless in this whole thing either and that is what it seems is starting to pop up. Before, it was blasphemy to even suggest. But when your leader, and supposedly the best leader in all of the NBA, is the reason you still have a highly suspect coach in some areas, or that his BFF is allowed to to basically anything he wants without playing defense and doesn't get called out for it by that BFF/leader, there is certainly a right to at least ask questions given the performance against teams you will face in the Playoffs.

 

[Labinot41]

When Dame made the comments that winning a Championship is not his biggest priority, from that moment we basicly knew he will never win a Championship in Portland. Because that means, Stotts will forever be his Coach and CJ will forever be his teammate, and you won't win shit with these two. It feels like Dame has given up. To fight for keeping Stotts in 2018 was Lillard's most crucial mistake in his Career

 

[julius]

Well, now's the time to trade him.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think he's playing hurt. I think teams are swarming him. I think our coach is unable to make adjustments to help him out.

 

[TBpup]

I think he's playing hurt. I think teams are swarming him. I think our coach is unable to make adjustments to help him out.

I believe all of those are true. That he is fighting for and enabling the coach who can't devise any even remote improvement to those traps with CJ, Powell, RoCo, Nurk, DJJ and even Nas who has shown himself to be a quite capable and willing passer, is being belief.

That he has enabled or accepted a defense that is 29th regardless of the personnel is disheartening. We are worse than teams with much less talent and nothing to play for. That is unacceptable on so many levels.

 

[Natebishop3]

Here's an unrelated question though, at what point do we decide that we won't be able to put a contender around Dame and decide to either trade him to give him a shot at winning, or just ride out his career and have him retire a Blazer? Keeping in mind that if we choose option two, his contract will massively hamper any kind of rebuild.

Example - Kobe's contract kept the Lakers from rebuilding for I'd say at least 3-4 years.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't think anyone is blaming Dame for Olshey's inopportune ineptness at times. However, Dame is not likely entirely blameless in this whole thing either and that is what it seems is starting to pop up. Before, it was blasphemy to even suggest. But when your leader, and supposedly the best leader in all of the NBA, is the reason you still have a highly suspect coach in some areas, or that his BFF is allowed to to basically anything he wants without playing defense and doesn't get called out for it by that BFF/leader, there is certainly a right to at least ask questions given the performance against teams you will face in the Playoffs.

seem like you're just ignoring what I said. What the hell is Olshey's job if it's not to see things more objectively than any player?...even the franchise player? Looks like you guys are trashing Dame for defending the coach after the Pels series. And why is that? It's because of the "reports" that Dame went to Paul Allen and talked PA out of firing Stotts. I wonder where those leaks came from...? who do they really serve and who's ass is covered when the principals were Dame and Paul Allen? Who is left standing in front of the firing squad? and who is hiding behind the curtain?

Dame isn't the GM and he's not the coach. He's not supposed to always be able to see the forest thru the trees. Sometimes that's impossible. What Dame needs is a new GM and a new coach

 

[TBpup]

seem like you're just ignoring what I said. What the hell is Olshey's job if it's not to see things more objectively than any player?...even the franchise player? Looks like you guys are trashing Dame for defending the coach after the Pels series. And why is that? It's because of the "reports" that Dame went to Paul Allen and talked PA out of firing Stotts. I wonder where those leaks came from...? who do they really serve and who's ass is covered when the principals were Dame and Paul Allen? Who is left standing in front of the firing squad? and who is hiding behind the curtain?

Dame isn't the GM and he's not the coach. He's not supposed to always be able to see the forest thru the trees. Sometimes that's impossible. What Dame needs is a new GM and a new coach

Not ignoring that point at all. But there has been plenty of people taking issue with Neil (you and I included) for quite some time. But to question Dame has been taboo. However, if you are the team leader, and supposedly the best leader in the NBA, it seems fair to at least question him on some things given what has basically been stagnation for a number of years.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Damn you guys sound like me now! Been telling ya for how long

 

[wizenheimer]

When Dame made the comments that winning a Championship is not his biggest priority, from that moment we basicly knew he will never win a Championship in Portland. Because that means, Stotts will forever be his Coach and CJ will forever be his teammate, and you won't win shit with these two. It feels like Dame has given up. To fight for keeping Stotts in 2018 was Lillard's most crucial mistake in his Career

yeah, it really very very bad that Dame shows such loyalty to the city, franchise, and team that he would be willing to accept not winning a championship. Too bad he isn't an asshole like Durant or Kyrie or Melo in Denver.

this thread is people blaming Dame for Olshey not acting like a GM or the Vulcans not acting like owners. When was the last time people trashed Olshey for not sinking a three or making an assist?

 

[TBpup]

yeah, it really very very bad that Dame shows such loyalty to the city, franchise, and team that he would be willing to accept not winning a championship. Too bad he isn't an asshole like Durant or Kyrie or Melo in Denver.

this thread is people blaming Dame for Olshey not acting like a GM or the Vulcans not acting like owners. When was the last time people trashed Olshey for not sinking a three or making an assist?

That doesn't seem to be the case at all no matter how many times you keep saying it. No reasonable person is letting Neil off the hook. Instead, for the first time, people are starting to at least question Dame's part in the success or failure of the team. Star players have the ability to keep a coach or get them removed....we have seen that over and over again. Questionning Dame's role in keeping what seems like an often inept or overmatched Stotts seems like a fair question.

Now if the continued response is that 'Dame is being blamed for Olshey not acting like a GM', well, all the best.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Dame's going through a rough patch, obviously. And he's forcing things. Just before halftime last night, the team had cut the Heat lead to two and had a fastbreak where there was a Blazer player right under the Heat's basket, but Dame pulled up and bricked a three pointer, which triggered a Heat fast break score. He then proceeded to do the same thing the next couple of times down the floor and we were down double digits in no time. I can't help but think Nurk has that sequence in mind in some of his comments.

 

[wizenheimer]

That doesn't seem to be the case at all no matter how many times you keep saying it. No reasonable person is letting Neil off the hook. Instead, for the first time, people are starting to at least question Dame's part in the success or failure of the team. Star players have the ability to keep a coach or get them removed....we have seen that over and over again. Questionning Dame's role in keeping what seems like an often inept or overmatched Stotts seems like a fair question.

Now if the continued response is that 'Dame is being blamed for Olshey not acting like a GM', well, all the best.

ok then...what you want is for Dame to have the same view on Stotts that you do. Should Dame come out and say Stotts should be fired?

 

[Hoopguru]

yeah, it really very very bad that Dame shows such loyalty to the city, franchise, and team that he would be willing to accept not winning a championship. Too bad he isn't an asshole like Durant or Kyrie or Melo in Denver.

this thread is people blaming Dame for Olshey not acting like a GM or the Vulcans not acting like owners. When was the last time people trashed Olshey for not sinking a three or making an assist?

It is on the ownership & GM then if they dont make needed changes its seems to come down to the team star to flex his influence. Just my opinion.

 

[Labinot41]

ok then...what you want is for Dame to have the same view on Stotts that you do. Should Dame come out and say Stotts should be fired?

Yes

 

[JoshuaHall]

Dumbest thing I’ve read in my life.

 

[Orion Bailey]

looks like a lot of this is simply shifting blame to Dame from Olshey. Dame isn't the GM; he hasn't brought championships to Portland so he doesn't have Lebron's cache...or his size or talent

Dame's 'loyalty' didn't prevent Barton or Plumlee being traded when those trades suited the designs of Olshey. It's not preventing any needed moves right now

it's disgusting how Olshey is allowed to skate around the treadmill he designed with little accountability. He's ridden Dame's talent to 40-50 million dollars in paychecks, and now, in the minds of some Blazer fans, Dame is apparently shielding Olshey for blame Olshey richly deserves

i asked several questions in the op. Did you answer any of them before you went on your .. whatever?

Olshey has threads about him and comments in every thread questioning him.

go comment in those threads about Olshey deficiency. Its been best to death.

but if i ask questions about dame and what he may need, you turn it into a blaming dame.
The OP title is a question for christs sake.

I would try answering the questions asked before you just make claims that were or I am putting blame all or part on Dame?

Some people see that something is wrong with the team and that includes something wrong with Dame.
And to answer your last question?

no he doesn't demand a firing he makes hits of not being happy like Nurk did.
Ill go even further to say that to not also hold Dame at least a tiny bit accountable, you are as much a Dame homer as you claim others to be an Olshey homer.
No one is letting Olshey skate like you claim. Just read the damned threads and you can see that...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Dumbest thing I’ve read in my life.

oh really? Lol


Asking what Dame may need? Asking if he may be overrated is the dumbest thing?

i take it you don't read much at all?

 

[Hoopguru]

There are not many star scoring pg’s that can lead a team to a championship. Curry had big time help, Irving cant without help from other super stars.
Even MVP Westbrick couldn’t. We need at least one lock down defender in the backcourt.

 

[JoshuaHall]

i asked several questions in the op. Did you answer any of them before you went on your .. whatever?

Olshey has threads about him and comments in every thread questioning him.

go comment in those threads about Olshey deficiency. Its been best to death.

but if i ask questions about dame and what he may need, you turn it into a blaming dame.
The OP title is a question for christs sake.

I would try answering the questions asked before you just make claims that were or I am putting blame all or part on Dame?

Some people see that something is wrong with the team and that includes something wrong with Dame.
And to answer your last question?

no he doesn't demand a firing he makes hits of not being happy like Nurk did.
Ill go even further to say that to not also hold Dame at least a tiny bit accountable, you are as much a Dame homer as you claim others to be an Olshey homer.
No one is letting Olshey skate like you claim. Just read the damned threads and you can see that...

Yeah, the player that was a legitimate MVP contender before hurting his knee and hand needs to be held more accountable.

most of your “rant” wasnt even related to Dame as a basketball player, but as dame as an “executive” or “player-GM” which is NOT his job or role, by the way.

What a joke.

 

[Tince]

Like nearly every player... he's overrated by some, underrated by others.

He's far from a perfect player and by far our best player. I'm going to continue to enjoy everything he does well because I'll surely miss it when he's gone.

 

[JoshuaHall]

oh really? Lol


Asking what Dame may need? Asking if he may be overrated is the dumbest thing?

i take it you don't read much at all?

Asking if Dame, a perennial all star and borderline MVP candidate is overrated based not on his skills as a player, but on his player-GM skills, is indeed the dumbest thing I’ve ever read and lacks any sort of logical thought or analysis.

I read a lot. And say a lot of dumb stuff myself.

this takes the cake.

ur just trying to be an edge lord and u know it

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah, the player that was a legitimate MVP contender before hurting his knee and hand needs to be held more accountable.

most of your “rant” wasnt even related to Dame as a basketball player, but as dame as an “executive” or “player-GM” which is NOT his job or role, by the way.

What a joke.

huh????
Lbj doesnt play that role? Kwahi hasnt? Kd?
The list can go on and on regarding mvp forcing their team to be accountable.

all mvps. And they put pressure on the gm and coach.

what is a joke is your stating he is mvp caliber but then not holding him to that standard that other mvps have with regards to controlling the team.

what a joke... lol.
You do know its a players league right?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Asking if Dame, a perennial all star and borderline MVP candidate is overrated based not on his skills as a player, but on his player-GM skills, is indeed the dumbest thing I’ve ever read and lacks any sort of logical thought or analysis.

I read a lot. And say a lot of dumb stuff myself.

this takes the cake.

ur just trying to be an edge lord and u know it

also perennial all star? Hyperbole much? Almost half of those he was in because some one else was out due to injury....

Lets keep it real....