Is forced population control the solution to climate change?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What is the carbon impact of a child being born?

Every new child, has to be fed, clothed, warmed, buying a new car, etc...and this consumes fossil fuels. Its not enough to have this be voluntary. Forced population control is the answer, if global warming is as bad as people claim it is.

If you have a child, you are killing the earth.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/07/local/me-greenspace7

Study finds parents' carbon footprint multiplies 5.7 times per child
Environmentalists tend to avoid the topic of population control. Too touchy. But the politically incorrect issue is becoming unavoidable as the global population lurches toward a predicted 9 billion people by mid-century. Will there be enough food? Enough water? Will planet-heating carbon dioxide gas become ever more uncontrollable?

Now comes a study by statisticians at Oregon State University focusing on the elephant in the room.

The findings: If you are concerned about your carbon footprint, think birth control.

The greenhouse gas effect of a child is almost 20 times more significant than the amount any American would save by such practices as driving a fuel-efficient car, recycling or using energy-efficient lightbulbs and appliances, according to Paul Murtaugh, an Oregon State professor of statistics. Under current U.S. consumption patterns, each child ultimately adds about 9,441 metric tons of CO2 to the carbon legacy of an average parent -- about 5.7 times a person's lifetime emissions, he calculates.

Given the higher per-capita consumption of developed nations, the study found that the impact of a child born in the U.S., along with all his or her descendants, is more than 160 times that of a Bangladeshi child. And the long-term impact of a Chinese child is less than one-fifth the impact of a U.S.-born child. But as China, India and other developing nations hurtle toward prosperity, that is likely to change.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Make children out of carbon.

Problem solved.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There should be a carbon tax on newborns, worldwide. :MARIS61:

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

When you get a virus, you get a fever. That's the human body raising its core temperature to kill the virus. Planet Earth works the same way: Global warming is the fever, mankind is the virus. We're making our planet sick. A cull is our only hope. If we don't reduce our population ourselves, there's only one of two ways this can go: The host kills the virus, or the virus kills the host. Either way...The result is the same: The virus dies.

 

[e_blazer]

Well, the Chinese just eliminated their law restricting couples to only one child, so it sounds to me like we're screwed on the population control front.

 

[MarAzul]

Make children out of carbon.

Problem solved.

Ask and you shall receive;

Element Percent by Mass
Oxygen 65
Carbon 18
Hydrogen 10
Nitrogen 3
Calcium 1.5
Phosphorus 1.2
Potassium 0.2
Sulfur 0.2
Chlorine 0.2
Sodium 0.1
Magnesium 0.05
Iron, Cobalt, Copper, Zinc, Iodine
Selenium, Fluorine

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Start with China and India.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Start with China and India.

Is that how we should approach climate change? Let them deal with it.

 

[MarAzul]

What is the carbon impact of a child being born?

Every new child, has to be fed, clothed, warmed, buying a new car, etc...and this consumes fossil fuels. Its not enough to have this be voluntary. Forced population control is the answer, if global warming is as bad as people claim it is.

If you have a child, you are killing the earth.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/07/local/me-greenspace7

Plant more trees too. Mostly Carbon and they glean it from the air.

"Environmentalists tend to avoid the topic of population control."

The failure to look at the carbon foot print in total rather than continually focusing on the individual foot print has been my complaint for years.

I sent Wyden a letter several years back concerning immigration. I said, I would be for more immigration when there are, fish to eat in our rivers again. I remember went it was true and I did catch my dinner more than once. If every person tried that now... well I doubt you could get to the river.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Plant more trees too. Mostly Carbon and they glean it from the air.

"Environmentalists tend to avoid the topic of population control."

The failure to look at the carbon foot print in total rather than continually focusing on the individual foot print has been my complaint for years.

I sent Wyden a letter several years back concerning immigration. I said, I would be for more immigration when there are, fish to eat in our rivers again. I remember went it was true and I did catch my dinner more than once. If every person tried that now... well I doubt you could get to the river.

Pollution is a product of consumption. Consumption is a product of people. The more people there are, the more consumption there is, especially in wealthy countries. Therefore, population control should start in the countries with the highest consumption per capita.

 

[barfo]

Pollution is a product of consumption. Consumption is a product of people. The more people there are, the more consumption there is, especially in wealthy countries. Therefore, population control should start in the countries with the highest consumption per capita.

That's where ISIS comes in handy.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Pollution is a product of consumption. Consumption is a product of people. The more people there are, the more consumption there is, especially in wealthy countries. Therefore, population control should start in the countries with the highest consumption per capita.

Spot on sir! The US has failed completely to lead in this area, We continue to import labor to staff our mills as if this were sustainable forever. This is the image we present to the rest of the world.
And they attempt to emulate. Now we are near the end of this trail with more people than mills, no fish in the rivers, and hoards more on the way. The liberals continue to shout, we are a Nation of immigrants, it not fair to shut the door, you racist!

Finally one young man sees the picture. You made my day.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Kind of talking about something more extreme. Hard limits on the number of kids one can have, etc unless one pays a fee to have additional kids. There should probably a tax on births to offset the carbon footprint.

 

[MarAzul]

Kind of talking about something more extreme. Hard limits on the number of kids one can have, etc unless one pays a fee to have additional kids. There should probably a tax on births to offset the carbon footprint.

Hell, we are alright, up until a few years ago, the US birth rate was low enough to result in a population reduction. We grow because of immigrants. Stop that and extreme measure are not required.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Kind of talking about something more extreme. Hard limits on the number of kids one can have, etc unless one pays a fee to have additional kids. There should probably a tax on births to offset the carbon footprint.

I would think lower socioeconomic backgrounds would tend to have more children. That may be directly related to illegal immigration however. With more dual income families, it's harder to maintain having kids.

 

[MarAzul]

lower socioeconomic backgrounds would tend to have more children

True. Might have to take some measures to discourage this reality.

 

[Further]

Research, science and investments in energy fields and in our youth. Education and technology together will take care of the situation if we pull together soon and do what needs to be done. If we wait too long, fucksville. When is it too late? don't know.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Research, science and investments in energy fields and in our youth. Education and technology together will take care of the situation if we pull together soon and do what needs to be done. If we wait too long, fucksville. When is it too late? don't know.

Population control will probably have a much faster effect. The act of actively reducing a larger population is probably more impactful than solar energy and education. Sounds fucked up but it's probably true. I mean the impact of driving an electric car for years can probably be negated by simply eliminating one child birth. Multiply that on a national scale, and the economic and environmental boon would be tremendous.

I mean we can tax the rich to kingdom come or make everyone drive hybrids, but limiting the population should at least be on the table.

 

[Further]

Population control will probably have a much faster effect. The act of actively reducing a larger population is probably more impactful than solar energy and education. Sounds fucked up but it's probably true. I mean the impact of driving an electric car for years can probably be negated by simply eliminating one child birth. Multiply that on a national scale, and the economic and environmental boon would be tremendous.

I mean we can tax the rich to kingdom come or make everyone drive hybrids, but limiting the population should at least be on the table.

I think with nuclear, hydrogen, solar, wind and other research, we could have our carbon footprint reduced tremendously within 20 years if we put in the time, money and effort. It needs to be our mission to the moon. Then additional research to correct current imbalances and bring us back to an optimal sustainable level would be the concurrent goal. We are resourceful and intelligent enough to lick this issue if we can concentrate on it. Otherwise, have fun on the way out.

 

[Further]

And population control is a bandaid, i want a cure.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And population control is a bandaid, i want a cure.

Actually, the reverse is probably true. Renewable energy is a bandaid, any climate change must inevitably be combatted with population control, since humans will replicate at an exponential rate versus development of alternative energy sources.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I mean look at these fucking charts, the growth and population is out of control. Getting solar energy isn't going to do jack shit, its a problem of scale.

If you don't start population control now, the only solution will eventually be a culling.

 

[riverman]

We won't let anybody die so that's part of the problem..we can keep motherfuckers alive forever these days

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

We won't let anybody die so that's part of the problem..we can keep motherfuckers alive forever these days

You can't go off killing old people, so right now the smart solution is to limit new births. Could you imagine if half the population disappeared, the global warming epidemic would probably be done and over with just by sheer scale of less consumption and use. Now think about the opposite, what if the population were doubled. How fucked would the world be?

No amount of carpooling or windmill bullshit is going to counteract a doubling of the population.

 

[riverman]

You can't go off killing old people, so right now the smart solution is to limit new births. Could you imagine if half the population disappeared, the global warming epidemic would probably be done and over with just by sheer scale of less consumption and use. Now think about the opposite, what if the population were doubled. How fucked would the world be?

No amount of carpooling or windmill bullshit is going to counteract a doubling of the population.

I'm not arguing that....I think all you young guys should get snipped

 

[riverman]

You can't go off killing old people, so right now the smart solution is to limit new births. Could you imagine if half the population disappeared, the global warming epidemic would probably be done and over with just by sheer scale of less consumption and use. Now think about the opposite, what if the population were doubled. How fucked would the world be?

No amount of carpooling or windmill bullshit is going to counteract a doubling of the population.

actually the more time spent in a car, the more chance of decreasing the population..windmills won't have any effect at all on population

 

[riverman]

Seriously, I completely agree that population control is an issue to be dealt with....I think it should be as hard as a college entrance exam to qualify to even consider becoming a parent and like starting a business....you should be bonded...insured and have proof you can handle the biz ...should be harder to qualify to make a child than to buy a house or start a small business. Life skills need to be taught from k-college level on and they're not

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Seriously, I completely agree that population control is an issue to be dealt with....I think it should be as hard as a college entrance exam to qualify to even consider becoming a parent and like starting a business....you should be bonded...insured and have proof you can handle the biz ...should be harder to qualify to make a child than to buy a house or start a small business. Life skills need to be taught from k-college level on and they're not

Yeah, people treat having kids like getting a new pair of shoes or a car. "HEY LOOK AT THIS EVERYONE!"

:MARIS61:

 

[riverman]

Yeah, people treat having kids like getting a new pair of shoes or a car. "HEY LOOK AT THIS EVERYONE!"

:MARIS61:

George Carlin had a great bit about that...I think in one of his books I read