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I'll give you all the answers.All the crap you've heard, is bullsh**.It's not Islam you idiot use your brain. It's just the way those particular people feel.That crap about the muslims celebrating after 9/11, is bullsh**. I saw that tape. that was from a while before 9/11.9/11 wasn't done because of Islam, it was done for revenge. In the Vietnam War the Afghanis helped out the Americans and then America never payed them back.Look at Timothy Mcvay, etc. American media makes muslims look so bad. if you're really so interested, just read an english version of the quran.and you dont get killed if convert religons. wouldnt you be a bit mad, just a lil bit if you were jewish and someone converted to islam? not mad, but upset? i would. i would be wondering why
 
I'm sorry, but I think this topic has gotten out of hand - if you want to show someone you are not what the media portrays you to be, than you have to exhibit qualities that can exemplify Islam in a good light. Waqas, and Mixx, and partially AirBlaze (because of the language) are not helping the situation - but espeically Waqas and Mixx.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BeastInIt @ May 22 2006, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................</div>No, Christianity is also true. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, it still talks about Prophet Muhammad in it. Scholars found this out (people who study Islam first then study other religions for similarities and such), and I'll provide a link tomorrow.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ May 22 2006, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't quite get it yet, please explain yourself Waqas.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 22 2006, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.</div>1. You're not allowed to kill people in Islam, and even in the Caliphate (Islamic empire), you weren't allowed to kill Christians or non-Muslims. People must OBVIOUSLY not like him because of his lack of faith, but you aren't supposed to KILL HIM under any circumstances. You might say there are so many bad Muslims and bin Laden (even though he's good), but hey, nobody remembers that Hitler said he was killing Jews for "the Lord."2. Whoever said we want you all to die? Americans can be Muslims, too. 3. No, and plus, Muslims can only "kill or attack people" if their enemy is the aggressor. In fact, Muslims aren't even allowed to conquer land. The Ottomans even bended that.4. Yeah, do you know how much goes on in other countries? Did you ever think of Adolf Hitler? I mean, did you ever think of the KKK? Go ahead and read this... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorismYou probably didn't know the Muslim and Hindu filled Kashmir has had 100,000 deaths +.PROPHET MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE...http://www.muhammad.net/biblelp/
 
Every religion is connected if you look hard enough... like just about every religion has something about jesus, its jus that Christianity talks about it the most (that's why its Christianity) and another thing...Islam is not "evil" that's bullsh/t, ever since the war with irac everyone thinks that islam is a bunch of terrorists, well thats bullsh/t too, i have a friend whos islamic, im pretty sure he doesnt want to bomb your house...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 22 2006, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.</div>Don't worry, I am working on an elaborate response to this clearly biased and uninformed article that has given certain people on this board a twisted vision of our religion. I am halfway done, and I'm going to try to finish the other half tonight and will try to post it tomorrow. I'm sure most of your questions will be answered, and it will prove how biased, uninformed and hypocritical the author of the original article is...And I agree again with ReppinTheD... if you guys are trying to show that Islam is not evil, use rational language and try to explain it with facts... and Waqas, I really don't know what you mean when you claim that Al-Qaeda and Osama are good... because that is complete bullsh**. They are the reason why all Muslims have a bad name and/or image throughout the world, and especially in America.
 
I'm done with this thread unless it some how get's back on track - maybe with BigMo's post that'll change.
 
Maybe we should just get a mod to close the thread. We shouldnt have threads like these anymore, they cause WAY too much flaming. why wasn't this already closed by a mod?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>By the way, Osama and the Al-Qaeda are GOOD. I thought they were bad, but Al-Jazeera is very truthful, and I got this from a Muslim in America from Jordan (an adult, too, like as the Musjid).</div>Osama is good? Get the hell out of this country.That really pissed me off.
 
There is no fundamental Islam. "Fundamentalism" is a word that came from the heart of the Christian religion. It means faith that goes by the word of the Bible. Fundamental Christianity, or going with the Bible, does not mean going around and killing people. There is no fundamental Islam. There is only Islam full stop. The question is how the Koran is interpreted.
How biased is this statement? Well, first off, the definition of fundamentalism is A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. Now, first of all, if the author of this article had any idea what the Quran says, he would know that Islam requires us to adhere to strict religious principles (five pillars of Islam), but Im guessing he either 1) doesnt know about that, or 2) decided to leave that little bitty minor detail out, right?
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Second, if there is fundamental Christianity, then is he saying that Christians are intolerant to other religions? If so, then he just contradicted himself. He also says the question is how the Koran is interpreted. That right there should tell you that this entire article is based on his own personal interpretation of the Quran. As Ill show you throughout this post, the author of this article is basically giving his own personal opinion about the religion of Islam, and using facts from the Quran most of which he twists the wording in order to make these facts fit/support his argument, or he just decides to leave a lot of details out.
All of a sudden we see that the greatest interpreters of Islam are politicians in the western world. They know better than all the speakers in the mosques, all those who deliver terrible sermons against anything that is either Christian or Jewish. These western politicians know that there is good Islam and bad Islam. They know even how to differentiate between the two, except that none of them know how to read a word of Arabic.
How are they the greatest interpreters of Islam? Do they follow the religion? No. All they do is supposedly read and study the Quran, yet they do not adhere to the rules, nor do they live in the culture, nor do they dedicate their lives to memorizing the Quran and spreading the good word of Allah to the younger generations of Muslims.
The Language of Islam You see, so much is covered by politically correct language that, in fact, the truth has been lost. For example, when we speak about Islam in the west, we try to use our own language and terminology. We speak about Islam in terms of democracy and fundamentalism, in terms of parliamentarism and all kinds of terms, which we take from our own dictionary. One of my professors and one of the greatest orientalists in the world says that doing this is like a cricket reporter describing a cricket game in baseball terms. We cannot use for one culture or civilization the language of another. For Islam, you've got to use the language of Islam.
Alright, so the guy says that we cannot speak and/or describe Islam using our own (Western) terminology and language, right? He just proved my last point and proved this entire article to be completely pointless.
Driving Principles of Islam Let me explain the principles that are driving the religion of Islam. Of course, every Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is only one God. But it's not enough to say that there is only one God. A Moslem has to acknowledge the fact that there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet. These are the fundamentals of the religion that without them, one cannot be a Moslem. But beyond that, Islam is a civilization. It is a religion that gave first and foremost a wide and unique legal system that engulfs the individual, society and nations with rules of behaviour. If you are Moslem, you have to behave according to the rules of Islam which are set down in the Koran and which are very different than the teachings of the Bible.
Does the author have a problem with the fact that us Muslims must acknowledge and believe that there is only one God and that Mohammad (pbuh) is his prophet? If that is indeed the case, then does he have a problem with the fact that Christians believe in God and Jesus Christ? Also, if this guy ever even took the time to read the Quran he would realize that the teachings of the Quran are similar to the teachings of the Bible. Obviously, not everything will be exactly the same, but for the most part the teachings are similar to one another. But I guess this guy doesnt realize that considering he probably never actually took the time to sit down and read the Quran
But the key word is salvation. Personal salvation means that each individual is looked after by God, Himself, who leads a person through His word to salvation. This is the idea in the Bible, whether we are talking about the Old or the New Testament. All of the laws in the Bible, even to the minutest ones, are, in fact directed toward this fact of salvation.
Oh look how cute, the author once again fails to realize that the rules set forth by the Quran to guide the Muslim way of life also lead to salvation. Yet just another example of his lack of knowledge about the Quran and the religion of Islam.
Secondly, there is another point in the Bible, which is highly important. This is the idea that man was created in the image of God. Therefore, you don't just walk around and obliterate the image of God. Many people, of course, used Biblical rules and turned them upside down. History has seen a lot of massacres in the name of God and in the name of Jesus. But as religions, both Judaism and Christianity in their fundamentals speak about honouring the image of God and the hope of salvation. These are the two basic fundamentals.
Alright, this guy really comes off as a complete hypocrite here. So, is he saying that Islam does not believe that mankind was created to uphold the image of God? Again if he had actually read the Quran, he would understand how stupid he sounds. Then he goes on to say that throughout history there were times that people twisted the words in the Bible to fit their own personal agendas, and used this to justify their wars and massacres yet as a whole both Judaism and Christianity uphold and honor the image of God, correct? So please explain to me how you can sit there and say that despite certain instances throughout history in which certain individuals or groups of people used the Bible to justify their evil intentions, Christianity and Judaism as a whole are still upholding the honor and the image of God yet when there are only a few Islamic extremists (in comparison to the total number of Muslims in the world today) that twist the words of the Quran to justify their evil intentions, the entire religion of Islam and their followers are labeled as evil? Is EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM carrying out acts of terrorism? No Can you say double standard? I wonder why
The Essence of Islam Now let's move to the essence of Islam. Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world.Let's look, then, at the difference between these three religions. Judaism speaks about national salvation - namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sings, while Islam speaks about ruling the world. I can quote here in Arabic, but there is no point in quoting Arabic, so let me quote a verse in English. "Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions."The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Moslem world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam.
Completely false. In reality, Islam was not born with the idea of ruling the world, rather the idea that the author twists to fit his purpose of degrading the Islamic religion is that Islam is the final religion that God sent down and will ever send down, and thus will eventually become the biggest religion in the world in terms of the number of followers.
Mohammed Held That All the Biblical Prophets Were Moslems Mohammed did accept the existence of all the Biblical prophets before him. However he also said that all these prophets were Moslems. Abraham was a Moslem. In fact, Adam himself was the first Moslem. Isaac and Jacob and David and Solomon and Moses and Jesus were all Moslems, and all of them had writings similar to the Koran. Therefore, world history is Islamic history because all the heroes of history were Moslems. Furthermore, Moslems accept the fact that each of these prophets brought with him some kind of a revelation. Moses, brought the Taurat, which is the Torah, and Jesus brought the Ingeel, which is the Evangelion or Gospel - namely the New Testament.
The author has some of this right to an extent. Yes, Islam does teach us to recognize all the prophets that were sent down by God before Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). Now, what the author twists is the idea that all the previous prophets were Muslims. Read the second to last sentence in the first quoted paragraph, and he pretty much contradicts the purpose of writing that whole section, and will prove my point. We view all the prophets as being sent down by Allah to share the same message to the world. All the teachings in the religions that were sent down are similar in their core message, and that is why they are viewed as being Muslims. Islam recognizes Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., all as independent religions, and we as Muslims also recognize these as religions we dont deny their existence, nor are we taught to degrade their teachings and fundamental principles.
The Bible vs. the Koran Why then is the Bible not similar to the Koran? Mohammed explains that the Jews and Christians forged their books. Had they not been changed and forged, they would have been identical to the Koran. But because Christians and Jews do have some truth, Islam concedes that they cannot be completely destroyed by war [for now].Nevertheless, the laws a very clear - Jews and Christians have no rights whatsoever to independent existence. They can live under Islamic rule provided they keep to the rules that Islam promulgates for them.
What the author fails to mention is that we believe that the books of Judaism and Christianity were slowly changed by their followers, and therefore were not as pure as the Quran which is one of the reasons that Allah sent down the religion of Islam. We do not believe in destroying every other religion by the force of war, however we do believe in trying to spread the true word of Islam and trying to make the other religions pure again in terms of trying to get them to revert back to what their books originally stated which would be exactly what is in the Quran, as the author mentions.Now, as far as the last quoted paragraph goes, how is that any different from the religious intolerance of countries throughout history? America was the first country to stress religious freedom almost every other country in history prior to Americas existence required you to either practice their religion (thereby denying the existence of your own religion) or live under the laws of their religion. Islam did not force Christians and Jews living in Islamic countries to deny the existence of Christianity, Judaism, etc. Hell, if Islam was so intolerant of other religions, why would there be churches, synagogues and temples in Islamic countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, and Saudi Arabia just to name a few) to this day?
Islamic Rule and Jihad What happens if Jews and Christians don't want to live under the rules of Islam? Then Islam has to fight them and this fighting is called Jihad. Jihad means war against those people who don't want to accept the Islamic superior rule. That's jihad. They may be Jews; they may be Christians; they may be Polytheists. But since we don't have too many Polytheists left, at least not in the Middle East - their war is against the Jews and Christians.
Again, another false statement spread not only by the author, but by the entire American media about the concept of Islamic Jihad. Jihad is not only a physical war against those who oppress the religion; rather there are 5 types of Jihad:<ul>[*]Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb) is an inner struggle of good against evil in the mind, through concepts such as tawhid.[*]Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan) is a struggle of good against evil waged by writing and speech, such as in the form of dawah (proselytizing), Khutbas (sermons), and political or military propaganda.[*]Jihad by the pen and knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm) is a struggle for a good against evil through scholarly study of Islam, ijtihad (legal reasoning), and through sciences [*]Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to a struggle of good against evil waged by actions or with one's wealth, such as going on the Hajj pilgrimage (seen as the best jihad for women), taking care of elderly parents, providing funding for jihad, political activity for furthering the cause of Islam, stopping evil by force, or espionage.[*]Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) refers to qital fi sabilillah (armed fighting in the way of God, or holy war).[/list]Now, before everybody starts saying oh, look, it still says by military force! and all that stuff realize that the Quran teaches us to invite followers of other religions to learn about the religion through our methods of teaching (i.e. reading and studying the Quran, etc.), and we are only allowed to use military force IF another religion declares a holy war against our prophet (pbuh) and his message and initiates the fight. Dont believe me? Read these quotes from notable Islamic scholars around the world:Ramadan Buti, a contemporary Orthodox scholar from Syria, in his work on the subject Jihad in Islam says: Even before Muhammad conducted Jihad by sword against the unbelievers, there is no doubt the Prophet (s) invited these unbelievers peacefully, lodged protests against their beliefs and strove to remove their misgivings about Islam. When they refused any other solution, but rather declared a war against him and his message and initiated the fight, there was no alternative except to fight back"Imam al-Dardir in his book Aqarab al-Maslik says: Jihad is propagating the knowledge of the Divine Law commending right and forbidding wrong. He emphasized that it is not permitted to skip this category of Jihad and implement the combative form, saying, "the first [Islamic] duty is to call people to enter the fold of Islam, even if they had been preached to by the Prophet (s) beforehand."Al-Hajj Talib Abdur-Rashid, imam of the Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood in Harlem, NY, defines three levels of jihad personal, verbal and physical. (Ill only put about the physical because that is what the author of the article was talking about, but if you are interested, just tell me and Ill post what he says about the other two forms as well): <ul>[*] Physical Jihad: This relates to the use of physical force in defense of Muslims against oppression and transgression by the enemies of Allah, Islam and Muslims. Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, the Qur'an recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land: "Lo! Those who believe, and those who emigrate (to escape persecution) and strive (Jahadu) in the way of Allah, these have hope of Allah's mercy..." (2:218). If relocation is not possible, then Allah also requires Muslims to defend themselves against oppression by "fighting against those who fight against us." 2 The Qur'an states: "To those against whom war is made, permission is given [to defend themselves], because they are wronged - and verily, Allah is Most Powerful to give them victory."[/list]
 
DANG! That is how you do it Waqas and the rest - thats how you defend your self and your religion - i give you PROPS man, this is great - you finished wat I was planning to do. There ya go Just Blaze.
 
A few days ago, I received a pamphlet that was distributed in the world by bin Laden. He calls for jihad against America as the leader of the Christian world, not because America is the supporter of Israel, but because Americans are desecrating Arabia with their filthy feet. There are Americans in Arabia were no Christians should be. In this pamphlet there is not a single word about Israel. Only that Americans are desecrating the home of the prophet.
This once again brings me to the point I made earlier about his hypocrisy in saying that Christianity, Judaism, etc. are all peaceful religions despite acknowledging that there have been instances throughout history where an individual, or a group of individuals, twisted the words of their holy books in order to justify their evil actions. Now, if the author views these other religions as ?peaceful? despite all that, why does he not view Islam as a whole peaceful even though it is only a small percentage of Muslims who follow bin Laden?s teachings? Bin Laden DOES NOT speak for every Muslim in the world, nor does he speak the truth when he says that Allah intended whatever bin Laden is doing. So, according to the author, ALL Muslims are ?evil,? and Islam is ?evil? because bin Laden is waging a ?jihad?? Not every Muslim is out there committing acts of terrorism, now are they? This author is a complete hypocrite.
Two Houses The Koran sees the world as divided into two - one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it. The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) - that's the place where Islam rules - and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb - the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which as to be, at the end of time, conquered. The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule. This is the norm. Why? Because Allah says it's so in the Koran. God has sent Mohammed with the true religion in order that the truth will overcome all other religions.
This whole paragraph falls under the point I made earlier of how the author is misunderstanding, and thus promoting the wrong idea, of what the Quran means by Islam ?overcoming? all the other religions. If he would have actually read the Quran in its entirety, he would realize that.
Islamic Law Within the Islamic vision of this world, there are rules that govern the lives of the Moslems themselves, and these rules are very strict. In fundamentals, there are no differences between schools of law. However, there are four streams of factions within Islam with differences between them concerning the minutiae of the laws. All over the Islamic world, countries have favored one or another of these schools of laws. The strictest school of law is called Hanbali, mainly coming out of Saudi Arabia. There are no games there, no playing around with the meanings of words. If the Koran speaks about war, then it's war. There are various perspectives in Islam with different interpretations over the centuries. There were good people that were very enlightened in Islam that tried to understand things differently. They even brought traditions from the mouth of the prophet that women and children should not be killed in war. These more liberal streams do exist, but there is one thing that is very important for us to remember. The Hanbali school of law is extremely strict, and today this is the school that is behind most of the terrorist powers. Even if we talk about the existence of other schools of Islamic law, when we're talking about fighting against the Jews, or fighting against the Christian world led by America, it is the Hanbali school of law that is being followed.
OK, so the author just disproved his entire argument by writing that. If he concedes that the Hanbali are behind the terrorist powers, why is he saying that all Muslims are evil, and that the entire religion of Islam is evil when only ONE of the FOUR ?perspectives? of Islam promote the violence and terrorist actions?Now, let?s put this author?s bias in perspective. The fact is that there are four schools of Islamic law (thought): Hanafi, Maliki, Shafii, and Hanbali. Now, according to the author of the article, the Hanbali school of Islamic law (thought) is the one responsible for the terrorist attacks throughout the world, correct? So? what percentage of the world?s Muslim population falls into the Hanbali school of thought? LESS THAN 5% Hanafi has 45%, and Maliki and Shafii both have about 25%... so he is concluding that the religion of Islam as a whole and all Muslims are evil because of that 5%? Wow? I bet there are 5% of Christians who want to declare a holy war? so does that mean Christians in general are ?evil??
Islam and Territory This civilization created one very important, fundamental rule about territory. Any territory that comes under Islamic rule cannot be de-Islamized. Even if at one time or another, the [non-Moslem] enemy takes over the territory that was under Islamic rule, it is considered to be perpetually Islamic. This is why whenever you hear about the Arab/Israeli conflict, you hear - territory, territory, territory. There are other aspects to the conflict, but territory is highly important. The Christian civilization has not only been seen as a religious opponent, but as a dam stopping Islam from achieving its final goal for which it was created. Islam was created to be the army of God, the army of Allah. Every single Moslem is a soldier in this army. Every single Moslem that dies in fighting for the spread of Islam is a shaheed (martyr) no matter how he dies, because - and this is very important - this is an eternal word between the two civilizations. It's not a war that stops. This was is there because it was created by Allah. Islam must be the ruler. This is a war that will not end.
All this author mentions is war, war, war, and more war. What he fails to mention is what I pointed out earlier? there are more types of Jihad than just all out military warfare, and the Quran teaches that warfare is to only be used if another religion declares a holy war on our prophet and his teachings? and if all the other types of peaceful Jihad fail in stopping them.Now, what he says about a territory being perpetually Islamic can pretty much apply to any country today. If the US is attacked, and we lose half of our country, do you think Americans will say ?alright, we lost, let?s just give up that territory and say that country now controls that piece of land?.? Hell no? they will still believe that they are the rightful owners of the property, and will try to reclaim it, will they not?
Islam and Peace Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Moslem and Moslem. With the non-Moslem world or non-Moslem opponents, there can be only one solution - a cease fire until Moslems can gain more power. It is an eternal war until the end of days. Peace can only come if the Islamic side wins. The two civilizations can only have periods of cease-fires. And this idea of cease-fire is based on a very important historical precedent, which, incidentally, Yasser Arafat referred to when he spoke in Johannesburg after he signed the Oslo agreement with Israel. Let me remind you that the document speaks of peace - you wouldn't believe that you are reading! You would think that you were reading some science fiction piece. I mean when you read it, you can't believe that this was signed by Israelis who are actually acquainted with Islamic policies and civilization. A few weeks after the Oslo agreement was signed, Arafat went to Johannesburg, and in a mosque there he made a speech in which he apologized, saying, "Do you think I signed something with the Jews which is contrary to the rules of Islam?" (I have obtained a copy of Arafat's recorded speech so I heard it from his own mouth.) Arafat continued, "That's not so. I'm doing exactly what the prophet Mohammed did." Whatever the prophet is supposed have done becomes a precedent. What Arafat was saying was, "Remember the story of Hodaybiya." The prophet had made an agreement there with the tribe of Kuraish for 10 years. But then he trained 10,000 soldiers and within two years marched on their city of Mecca. He, of course, found some kind of pretext. Thus, in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years. Secondly, at the first instance that you are able, you must renew the jihad [thus breaking the "peace" agreement]. In Israel, it has taken over 50 years in this country for our people to understand that they cannot speak about [permanent] peace with Moslems. It will take another 50 years for the western world to understand that they have got a state of war with the Islamic civilization that is virile and strong. This should be understood: When we talk about war and peace, we are not talking in Belgium, French, English, or German terms. We are talking about war and peace in Islamic terms.
This really made me laugh? why? Because the author really failed to give the entire story of the Treaty of Hudaybiya, that?s why. You want to know why Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) marched on Kuraish with 10,000 soldiers? Because the Makkans (Kuraish) were the ones who broke the terms of the peace treaty? not the Muslims. One of the Makkans? allied tribes, known as the Banu Bakr, attacked the Banu Khada?s, who were in alliance with the Prophet (pbuh). So? who really broke the treaty? I wonder why the author failed to mention that minor detail.
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Also, when he says that ?in Islamic jurisdiction, it became a legal precedent which states that you are only allowed to make peace for a maximum of 10 years,? he fails to mention that it was the Makkans who made the stipulation of peace between the two parties for that ten year period? yet within two years their allied tribes broke the treaty. If you want to read into the whole thing more, just go to the following website: http://www.islamanswers.net/moreAbout/Hudaybiya.htm
Cease-fire as a Tactical Choice What makes Islam accept cease-fire? Only one thing - when the enemy is too strong. It is a tactical choice. Sometimes, he may have to agree to a cease-fire in the most humiliating conditions. It's allowed because Mohammed accepted a cease-fire under humiliating conditions. That's what Arafat said to them in Johannesburg. When western policy makers hear these things, they answer, "What are you talking about? You are in the Middle Ages. You don't understand the mechanisms of politics." Which mechanisms of politics? There are no mechanisms of politics where power is. And I want to tell you one thing - we haven't seen the end of it, because the minute a radical Moslem power has atomic, chemical or biological weapons, they will use it. I have no doubt about that. Now, since we face war and we know that we cannot get more than an impermanent cease-fire, one has to ask himself what is the major component of an Israeli/Arab cease-fire. It is that the Islamic side is weak and your side is strong. The relations between Israel and the Arab world in the last 50 years since the establishment of our State has been based only on this idea, the deterrent power.
I?m not entirely sure what the hell the author is trying to state with this section? but unfortunately the author of the article once again would have benefited and gained some credibility if he actually showed any sign of reading the Quran. As I?ve explained earlier, violence is only used as the very final option when another religion or party declares war on our religion. The same thing happened at Hudaybiya? Muslims were going to attack, but the Prophet (pbuh) told them not to, and the treaty was worked out. Even if it were true that the Prophet (pbuh) accepted cease-fire because he was ?humiliated? and the opposition was stronger, does the author take that as a sign of weakness? Does he feel that our Prophet (pbuh) should have kept ordered battle? So is the author advocating Muslims to fight? He has a problem that our religion is ?evil,? yet even when Muslims don?t fight he has a problem with it? Wow? I guess this guy really doesn?t have his own personal agenda nor is he really biased, right?
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Wherever You Have Islam, You Will Have War The reason that we have what we have in Yugoslavia and other places is because Islam succeeded into entering these countries. Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization. What are the poor people in the Philippines being killed for? What's happening between Pakistan and India?
:HAHAHA: Way to make a GIGANTIC generalization there buddy! Wherever there are Muslims, there will be war? Wow? so, I guess Muslims living in the US are currently waging war on the Christians in the US, and the same thing occurring in every other country in the world? Wow? this guy is a complete idiot. Not only does he make a huge assumption, but he contradicted what he said earlier in his ?factual article? about the Hanbali being the only terrorists and extremist in Islam? and let me remind you that LESS THAN 5% of the world?s Muslim follow that school of thought. So, that 5% now determines how all Muslims are perceived? Yeah, right? so I guess there isn?t 5% of Christians, Jews, or any other religion in the world who commit mass murders, and terrorist actions?
End of Days It is highly important to understand how a civilization sees the end of days. In Christianity and in Judaism, we know exactly what is the vision of the end of days. In Judaism, it is going to be as in Isaiah - peace between nations, not just one nation, but between all nations. People will not have any more need for weapons and nature will be changed - a beautiful end of days and the kingdom of God on earth. Christianity goes as far as Revelation to see a day that Satan himself is obliterated. There are no more powers of evil. That's the vision. I'm speaking now as a historian. I try to understand how Islam sees the end of days. In the end of days, Islam sees a world that is totally Moslem, completely Moslem under the rule of Islam. Complete and final victory.
Once again, I have explained the real meaning behind the idea that the author speaks of? the meaning that us Muslims are taught? the Quran does not say that Islam will rule based on force, rather, it will rule based on having the largest number of followers.
Christians will not exist, because according to many Islamic traditions, the Moslems who are in hell will have to be replaced by somebody and they'll be replaced by the Christians.
Once again, the author fails to explain the meaning behind the idea in the Quran. The Christians that will supposedly be sent to hell will not be sent to hell simply because they are Christian? they will be sent to hell because they deny the existence of Islam, nor will they practice it. Allah sent down Islam as the final religion, and he will punish those who will not accept it when the world ends. He will give them their chance to accept the religion, probably more than one chance, yet if they degrade the religion, they will be sent to hell because of that? not simply because they are Christian. It is a hard concept to explain in words? or at least I can?t figure out the proper way to say it.
The Jews will no longer exist, because before the coming of the end of days, there is going to be a war against the Jews where all Jews should be killed. I'm quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school. They Jews will all be killed. They'll be running away and they'll be hiding behind trees and rocks, and on that day Allah will give mouths to the rocks and trees and they will say, "Oh Moslem come here, there is a Jew behind me, kill him." Without this, the end of days cannot come. This is a fundamental of Islam.
Same as the above explanation? it is hard to explain. Yet, if the author actually read the Quran, he would realize that what he is saying is completely false. Read it yourself if you are interested, and you will see that his ?facts? are wrong as well.Also, the fact that he said he is ?quoting now from the heart of Islamic tradition, from the books that are read by every child in school? was quite hilarious to me? especially since I conducted searches for that verse (which he supposedly quoted directly from the Quran) on a variety of online sites that allow you to search verses from the Quran? and guess what? Out of 10 sites that I searched (using various keywords and possibilities of what the quote is, and of course the quote itself? a total of about 100 searches) I got absolutely ZERO results. Hm? Obviously, I don?t have the entire English translation of the Quran memorized by heart, but please, if you can find the verse where the author supposedly gets that quote from, by all means I would be glad to re-read it.
Is There a Possibility to End This Dance of War? The question which we in Israel are asking ourselves is what will happen to our country? Is there a possibility to end this dance of war? The answer is, "No. Not in the foreseeable future." What we can do is reach a situation where for a few years we may have relative quiet. But for Islam, the establishment of the state of Israel was a reverse of Islamic history. First, Islamic territory was taken away from Islam by Jews. You know by now that this can never be accepted, not even one meter. So everyone who thinks Tel Aviv is safe is making a grave mistake. Territory, which at one time was dominated by Islamic rule, now has become non-Moslem. Non-Moslems are independent of Islamic rule; Jews have created their own independent state. It is anathema. And (this is the worse) Israel, a non-Moslem state, is ruling over Moslems. It is unthinkable that non-Moslems should rule over Moslems.I believe that Western civilization should hold together and support each other. Whether this will happen or not, I don't know. Israel finds itself on the front lines of this war. It needs the help of its sister civilization. It needs the help of America and Europe. It needs the help of the Christian world. One thing I am sure about, this help can be given by individual Christians who see this as the road to salvation.
Alright, so we FINALLY find out where the author is from? and guess where he is from? ISRAEL? wow, I guess he really isn?t biased, right? :rolleyes:Now, to comment on the first bolded idea in the quote above, consider this: Would Israeli?s really accept that they were being ruled over by Muslims? No, they most certainly wouldn?t? so then why does he have a problem if the Muslims feel the same way? Is he trying to say that Israeli?s are superior to Muslims? If so? he is basically exhibiting the same feelings that the Muslims over there feel, yet because his countrymen are ruling, it is alright for him to feel that way and not for the Muslims to feel that way? So, if the Muslims over there were to reclaim that territory by force, would he and his countrymen say ?ah, you know what, they won it fair and square? let them keep it and rule over us.? No? they wouldn?t. Once again, he shows how hypocritical he is. It is human nature to feel that way.Now, in the final paragraph, he calls for America and Europe to aid Israel, and for Christians to aid the Jews in an attempt to ?defend? themselves and rid the Muslims. Is he not advocating a holy war in that sense? Again? Islam is ?evil? because less than 5% of the world?s Muslim are twisting the religion to justify their false sense of ?Jihad,? and the entire Islamic religion is being viewed as evil. However, the author himself is advocating a holy war, yet that is alright? :HAHAHA: Wow? I?m sorry, but this author and the article is a complete joke. You can find articles like these all over the place, for both sides, yet you yourself have to be willing to take the initiative and seek the truth. You want the truth? Read the Quran. This article is a great example of propaganda.Anyway, I don?t really expect to change people?s views about our religion with this post, but the fact of the matter is that I felt compelled to respond to this outrageous article that insulted me and my religion.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AirBlaze @ May 22 2006, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll give you all the answers.All the crap you've heard, is bullsh**.It's not Islam you idiot use your brain. It's just the way those particular people feel.That crap about the muslims celebrating after 9/11, is bullsh**. I saw that tape. that was from a while before 9/11.9/11 wasn't done because of Islam, it was done for revenge. In the Vietnam War the Afghanis helped out the Americans and then America never payed them back.Look at Timothy Mcvay, etc. American media makes muslims look so bad. if you're really so interested, just read an english version of the quran.and you dont get killed if convert religons. wouldnt you be a bit mad, just a lil bit if you were jewish and someone converted to islam? not mad, but upset? i would. i would be wondering why</div>Well, then I guess in Afghanistian they think a little differently, that is where the Islam people want to have him killed, he was in custody for it. The US got involved to help get him out of it, he some how got sent to Italy and got out of it.As for just looking it up, I didn't feel like it, I said that. I just thought it would be easier to ask, I didn't know you would blow up about it. About Timothy Mcvay, every country has some weird people, but, only terrorists are the guys that go into other countries and blow them up. Now, I am not judging anyone or anything, I am just saying.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ May 23 2006, 03:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I have a few questions, I don't mean to start anything or insult anyone, I really want to know the answer (without having to look anything up, lol).1) That guy on the news, he was Islam and changed to Christian, now the Islam people want to kill him. Why is it that if you are Islam, you can't change religion or other Islam's will hate you and, in most cases, want to kill you?2) Why do Islam people all over the world hate us Americans so much? They want to see us all die and a lot of them were celebrating in the streets after 9/11.3) I have heard (no proof) that the Quran says that if you aren't Islam, you must be killed. Is this true?4) Why is it that Islam seems to have all the terrorists and bombers and other religions don't really do that?Really, I want to read what you guys have to say to these, these aren't an arguement I am throwing in here really, they are just questions I have.</div> The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BeastInIt @ May 23 2006, 02:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................Okay this is just pissing me off so just close this gay topic.. Islam is the ONLY REAL RELIGION.. ALL THE OTHERS ARE FAKE PERIOD................</div> Oh please...Islam is a pile of crap just like Christianity.
 
"The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so..."If you didn't kno this already, i'll exlain - the footage played right after 9/11 by fox news was a bunch of dirty propganda to try to make Muslims look bad. That video was later reviewd, and it was a video of people celebrating a couple months back for a holiday.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ May 23 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so..."If you didn't kno this already, i'll exlain - the footage played right after 9/11 by fox news was a bunch of dirty propganda to try to make Muslims look bad. That video was later reviewd, and it was a video of people celebrating a couple months back for a holiday.</div>What about the videos of them burning our flag?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ May 23 2006, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"The people cheering in the streets were probably extremists and a minority...Muslims hate us but the whole world does...so..."If you didn't kno this already, i'll exlain - the footage played right after 9/11 by fox news was a bunch of dirty propganda to try to make Muslims look bad. That video was later reviewd, and it was a video of people celebrating a couple months back for a holiday.</div> maybe so, but that doesn't change the fact that there are alot of anti-US demonstrations in Muslim countires.
 
Honestly, there will ALWAYS be a few people who will do sh*t like that... same thing here in America. I guarantee you there are people here that still are KKK members, that burn flags of other countries, acts of racism and racial violence, but you don't hear about it as much as you do about the stuff happening in the Middle East. Why? The media... the media truly control this country. They can make you think ANYTHING they want you to think.Like I said in my post, less than 5% of the world's Muslims follow the Hanbali school of thought (which is what the terrorist use to justify their false sense of "jihad"), yet the entire religion is being labeled as evil because of that 5%? Hm... tell me that there isn't 5% of Christians around the world doing the same thing... or 5% of any religion who has the same thoughts. It is happening... but the media only focuses on the Islam thing because it is propaganda to help try and get American people to support the war.Honestly, if you guys are really interested in this stuff, then I recommend you take the time to atleast read some of the Quran. I know it's long, but just read it and you'll see how ridiculous the media portrayals are... but hey, nobody wants to make the effort when the media will just spoon-feed them the "facts," right?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 23 2006, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly, there will ALWAYS be a few people who will do sh*t like that... same thing here in America. I guarantee you there are people here that still are KKK members, that burn flags of other countries, acts of racism and racial violence, but you don't hear about it as much as you do about the stuff happening in the Middle East. Why? The media... the media truly control this country. They can make you think ANYTHING they want you to think.Like I said in my post, less than 5% of the world's Muslims follow the Hanbali school of thought (which is what the terrorist use to justify their false sense of "jihad"), yet the entire religion is being labeled as evil because of that 5%? Hm... tell me that there isn't 5% of Christians around the world doing the same thing... or 5% of any religion who has the same thoughts. It is happening... but the media only focuses on the Islam thing because it is propaganda to help try and get American people to support the war.Honestly, if you guys are really interested in this stuff, then I recommend you take the time to atleast read some of the Quran. I know it's long, but just read it and you'll see how ridiculous the media portrayals are... but hey, nobody wants to make the effort when the media will just spoon-feed them the "facts," right?
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</div>Great post, completely agree, couldn't have said it any better.
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drake24, that was a set of really ignorant questions
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Look I just want to say Im sorry for what i said, It just pisses me off when people talk about Islam being "Evil" Americans right way judge the religon of Islam but dont judge the person, judge the person not the religon of Islam like you guys are doing now judging Osama casue he is Muslim and he is doing all the nasty crap but you dont judge him you say he is doing that casue he is Muslim thats wrong. Judge Osama not Islam..
 
I would like to know who is Muslim in this topic. Also, as a Muslim, I believe I the only thing I need to say is that Islam is a religion of righteousness and killing innocent people is wrong as it is in other religions. You can think of Islam as the first 3 religions spread in ancient times so killing innocent people as a wrong thing is not unbelievable but easily believable. As for these "terrorists", they are stupid bastards who call themselves Muslims to act as disgraces. As a Muslim, you can belive what I am saying about righteousness and that these terrorists are POSERS! That would explain this stupid stereotype around the world that "MUSLIMS R TERRORISTS". It pisses me off so badly that people who believe whatever the here call all Muslims terrorists. Makes me wanna scream. I think this is a good bottomline.
 
first 3 religions-wronghinduism, roman pagan religion, and egyptian gods are 3 before (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ace_o_spades @ May 23 2006, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Islam isn't any more evil than any other religion not named Christianity</div>The Bible has just as many "evil" verses as the Quran has. Every religion has blood on its hand... that is a fact. Islam and Christianity are so similar (the original Bible before it was "tampered" with)... it says it in the Quran.Anyway, in the past people on this board have quoted passages from the Quran that talk about hurting the "disbelievers," but what they fail to mention is who these "disbelievers" are. In the Quran, it is well documented that the disbelievers are those people who reject Islam, and try to oppress the religion. Allah gives every human being many chances to accept Islam and the right path, yet those who repeatedly choose to stray from the right path, reject the religion, and try to oppress it are the disbelievers. There are even disbelievers among Muslims. It is all explained in the Quran...Allah is very forgiving, and in the Quran it says that he gives any and every human being multiple chances in their life to believe. If a person sincerely repents his sins before his death, Allah forgives them and allows them to enter paradise. When they die, he asks them a series of questions, giving them another chance... I've re-read the English translations of the first two "chapters" in the Quran, and it is all explained clearly in there. They are lengthy (276 verses for the first, and about 200 for the second), but well worth the read. I can also provide you with a multitude of links that show just how similar Islam and Christianity are, why the Quran was sent down, why the Quran says that the Bible is not exactly what God had sent down, rather it was later altered by human hands, why believing that Islam is evil and Islam is terrorism is completely ludicrous, and so much more.Its funny though that the people I speak of have not posted about this after I made those huge posts showing how idiotic that article truly was.By the way Sham, I am Muslim.
 
It's funny, Christians hate Islam, and dont mind Hinduism or greek mythology when Islam is the closest to Christianity. lmao
 
We all know that America knew 9/11 coming, so obviously THEY planned it, not bin Laden.By the way, the Bible SAYS Prophet Muhammad will come, so christians are actually REQUIRED to convert to Islam.
 
Actually, ReppinTheD, some of the crap he's sayin is kinda true. i've heard some of the stuff hes talking about
 
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