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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crazyrocketfan05 @ May 24 2006, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes it is they think killing people is good</div> who does?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crazyrocketfan05 @ May 24 2006, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes it is they think killing people is good</div>You're on my top 2 list for dumbest people in this thread.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crazyrocketfan05 @ May 24 2006, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes it is they think killing people is good</div>Would you mind backing it up with proof? Um, in case you didn't know, there are more murders committed by Christians in this country than by Muslims, so does that consequently make Christianity evil as well?Anyway, what Waqas said about the Bible talking about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being sent by Allah is true. Copies of the original Gospels of the apostles of Jesus (pbuh) confirm the teachings of the Quran. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in 1947, were "hid" in Israel for close to 45 years after they were discovered. When they were released, they too confirmed the Quran and its teachings. It foretells the coming of TWO Messiahs... one being Jesus (pbuh) and the other being Muhammad (pbuh). But later on, those people who "believe" that Islam is "corrupt" and all "lies" try to explain this by making something up saying that the scrolls don't fortell the coming of two Messiahs, rather they say that ONE messiah will be sent down, but he will have two different personalities. :rolleyes:The Quran also speaks of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, the Bible, and everything else, and explains why and how the holy books of those religions that God had previously sent down were corrupted by mankind, and if they weren't corrupted, the text in all the holy books would be the same as the Quran.So really, if you want to believe that Islam is "evil," then you must also believe that every other religion (including Christianity and Judaism) is evil as well, since they all preach the same thing. Atleast the words in the Quran were not altered by mankind, and they never will be.
 
Also, bin Laden did NOT do 9/11. Alrite, look, why are gas prices getting so high? America's government is getting oil from Iraq for very cheap prices, I'm guessing, and they're being greedy!but my main point...If the Pentagon was a fake (Which it seems to be), there is NOTHING wrong with me saying the Jews or the American government condemned 9/11.BUT THERE IS MORE...I just found out today an ISLAMIC MIRACLE came to me. Last year, I went to bed without Wudhu (it's like cleaning hand, feet, and head before you pray or read Quran), and today I learned that if you DO do Wudhu before you sleep, you will get accuracy on anything possible in your future. And if you do NOT, you might get a wrong dream!So, last year, I'm SURE I didn't have Wudhu when I went to sleep, and in my dream, I saw Dirk Nowitzki as a Maverick against Steve Nash as a Sun in the NBA FINALS (well, when I woke up, I figured out it should've been Western Conference Finals). Then, after the first half, the announcer guy at Phoenix (this game was at Phoenix, and remember, this is a DREAM), convinced a Michael Finley of Dallas (this dream took place before the season started) to go in this elevator. Well, while the elevator went up, the thing blew up, and Dirk got mad, and Nash was laughing and happy.Then, Dirk came up clutch for a win.Now, look at right now....Finley going into the elevator and dying was Dallas actually beating Finley as a Spur in the semifinals!The NBA Finals was actually the West Finals, even though I knew it must've been that when I woke up.And Steve Nash of Phoenix is going against Dirk of Dallas!I'm just shocked with some random thing that was in the back of my mind coming up to me after I heard about the dream.That is why Islam is completely TRUE.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ May 24 2006, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would you mind backing it up with proof? Um, in case you didn't know, there are more murders committed by Christians in this country than by Muslims, so does that consequently make Christianity evil as well?Anyway, what Waqas said about the Bible talking about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) being sent by Allah is true. Copies of the original Gospels of the apostles of Jesus (pbuh) confirm the teachings of the Quran. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in 1947, were "hid" in Israel for close to 45 years after they were discovered. When they were released, they too confirmed the Quran and its teachings. It foretells the coming of TWO Messiahs... one being Jesus (pbuh) and the other being Muhammad (pbuh). But later on, those people who "believe" that Islam is "corrupt" and all "lies" try to explain this by making something up saying that the scrolls don't fortell the coming of two Messiahs, rather they say that ONE messiah will be sent down, but he will have two different personalities. :rolleyes:The Quran also speaks of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, the Bible, and everything else, and explains why and how the holy books of those religions that God had previously sent down were corrupted by mankind, and if they weren't corrupted, the text in all the holy books would be the same as the Quran.So really, if you want to believe that Islam is "evil," then you must also believe that every other religion (including Christianity and Judaism) is evil as well, since they all preach the same thing. Atleast the words in the Quran were not altered by mankind, and they never will be.</div>That's how you say it brotha :worthy:
 
Yeah, and a dream I had almost a YEAR ago actually showed me an Islamic miracle! And that dream was about the MAvs!!! Read my other post.
 
THANK YOU for believing in me, man. And I am dead serious. I just learned some stuff about Islam yesterday, then that MAvs thing just came to my head. This is a lifelong lesson, though. I'm going to start doing Wudhu before sleep every night, and if anybody comes about relating to ISlam, I'll share it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ May 24 2006, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is why Islam is completely TRUE.</div>
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That's stretching in there... but yeah, things/dreams/visions, or whatever you want to call it, like that do happen. I know I've had some crazy things in my dream come true and a whole lot of other stuff which would be too crazy and long too explain.
 
Islamic people are definately not evil. But for one thing the fundamendalists are very stupid. They hate our government and they think that blowing themselves up and killing innocent Americans is a great way to make a point. The way islamic fundamentalists just casually get involved with kidnappings, killings, and suicide bombs is absolute insanity. They give the honest, hard-working Islamics a bad name.
 
I'd like to know where it says in Isaiah of the coming of 2 messiahs from the dead sea scrolls in BigMo's post. I want some backup before I start believing anything here.
 
I still don't get what Messiah means, lolz. The last prophet?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Waqas @ May 25 2006, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still don't get what Messiah means, lolz. The last prophet?</div>Messiah basically means prophet, or leader, etc. Check it up on Wikipedia.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ELiiiTE @ May 24 2006, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to know where it says in Isaiah of the coming of 2 messiahs from the dead sea scrolls in BigMo's post. I want some backup before I start believing anything here.</div>I am a little confused in what you are saying here. Could you please clarify? If you were trying to say that you wanted evidence as to the Dead Sea Scrolls foretelling the two Messiahs (Jesus and Muhammad), then here is some evidence:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Those who have studied the scrolls have noticed a common theme prevalent throughout these manuscripts, that is, most of the pesher texts prophesies the coming of a "Teacher of Righteousness" who will be sent by God to the Jews. This "Teacher of Righteousness" will be opposed by the "Teacher of Lies" and the "Wicked Priest".These scrolls also predict the coming of two messiahs. These two messiahs are referred to as a1) priestly and a2) temporal messiahWhat we had here was a society of very devout Jews who were convinced that the time of the coming of the two messiahs was at hand, therefore, they set about preparing for their advent by detaching themselves from the mainstream society, and dedicating their lives to their worship and the preparation for their imminent arrival.In The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, we read that the early scrolls spoke of two messiahs, but that later on, the communities of the Jews began to combine them into one messiah: "As we have suggested, contrary to the well-known 'two-Messiah' theory of early Qumran scholarship, these references to the 'Messiah of Aaron and Israel' in the Damascus Document are singular not plural... and one possible explanation for it is that it is evoking a Messiah with both priestly and kingly implications, like the somewhat similar recitations of Hebrews" (The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise, p. 162)."According to the dominant view in the sectarian texts from Qumran, two messiahs were to lead the congregation in the End of Days, one priestly, and the other lay" (Reclaiming the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lawrence H. Schiffman, pp. 321-322).The Jews had prophesies of two messiahs. The first was best known to them for his "religious" or "priestly" works which he would perform. The second was best known to them for his "kingly" works; his bringing of an epoch of peace.These two prophesies refer to Jesus (pbuh) and Muhammad (pbuh).Jesus (pbuh) was best know for his "priestly" works. However, he never lead an army, and he never established a kingdom or a government. Quite the opposite, he called to peace and submissiveness and to leave the rule of the land to others (Matthew 22:21). He told his followers that he yet had many things to teach them but they could not bear them yet and that another would be coming after him who would teach them the complete truth (John 16:7-14).Muhammad (pbuh) too began his ministry preaching submissivness and passiveness. However, his ministry was nurtured by God almighty to a point where it was able to defend itself and establish justice in the earth and abolish evil. His followers fought several wars in self defense and against injustice. The Islamic empire finally stretched from China to Spain and even those who did not follow Muhammad (pbuh) knew him well. However, what did they know him for? They knew him for his "kingly" actions and not for the "priestly" side of him that his followers knew."And fight against them until persecution is no more and religion is for God alone. But if they desist then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers" --The Qur'an, al-Baqarah(2):193"Those unto whom We gave the Scripture recognize him Muhammad as they recognize their sons. But verilly, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it" --The Qur'an, al-Baqarah(2):146Over time, the prophesies of the Jews began to become a little blurred, and this in addition to the continuous persecution of many nations towards the Jews eventually lead to their blending of these prophesies into one single prophesy and their aggrandizing of this one all- conquering wondrous event that would finally relieve them of their persecution and pave the way for them to march forth conquering all nations, and establishing themselves as the protectors of the kingdom of God.For this reason, when we read the Gospel of Barnabas, we find that when the Jews ask Jesus (pbuh) whether he is "the messiah" he replies that he is not "the messiah" that they are expecting."Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." --Matthew 10:34-35This is because he understood their question. They were not asking him for his title, rather, they wanted to know whether he was the one who would finally fulfill all of their prophesies of leadership, power, and grandeur that they had been waiting for so many centuries. For this reason, he told them that he was not "the messiah", but that "the Messiah" they were waiting for would not come until later. He was referring to the SECOND messiah in their prophesies. (the Jews had expectations of three prophecies to be fulfilled)</div>Source: http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparati...ls_dead_sea.htmThere is more of that all over the internet...
 
Of course we are evil. All of us Muslims and semi-Muslims have been planning and planning our attack on Tony for almost a year. BBW will parish.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ May 25 2006, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol wth waqas - isnt that pj's sig? I made it for him.</div>It's supposed to diss mavsfan, somebody told me to wear it, so what do I do, lolz. I edited it. No more Dirk records
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.Yeah, I'll be the Gunner for it.
 
It's funny, Christians hate Islam, and dont mind Hinduism or greek mythology when Islam is the closest to Christianity. lmao
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Where in the world did you hear that ridiculous theory?
We all know that America knew 9/11 coming, so obviously THEY planned it, not bin Laden.
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Hey, France and Britain knew that World War 2 was coming, so, obviously, they must have planned it. Hey, I never knew that Hitler was actually British! Thanks for revealing all this to me!
Yeah, and a dream I had almost a YEAR ago actually showed me an Islamic miracle! And that dream was about the MAvs!!!
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Ooooohhhhh! Aaaahhhh! Woooowww. I'm so excited!!!!You know how utterly impossible it is to prove what you're saying. People can predict the future with out your so-called relevations.And BigMo- You do know that Christ was prophesied to conqer the world in his second coming.
Like I said in my post, less than 5% of the world's Muslims follow the Hanbali school of thought (which is what the terrorist use to justify their false sense of "jihad"), yet the entire religion is being labeled as evil because of that 5%? Hm... tell me that there isn't 5% of Christians around the world doing the same thing...
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OK then, if the same number of Christians are having these thoughts as Muslims, then it logically follows that there must be the same number of Christians doing suicide bombings as Muslims. But, silly me, I seem to have forgotten the last time a Christian has done that. Maybe you could refresh my memory?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ May 26 2006, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where in the world did you hear that ridiculous theory?</div>What "ridiculous" theory? The "theory" that Islam and Christianity are similar? If that is what you are referring to, you need to do your research.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And BigMo- You do know that Christ was prophesied to conqer the world in his second coming.</div>Yes, and where in this entire thread did I say he wasn't? Also, if Christ is prophesized to "conquer the world," why is Christianity not viewed as "evil" because of that, whereas Islam is viewed as "evil" because people seem to think Allah wants Muslims to conquer the world (which by the way is untrue)?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>OK then, if the same number of Christians are having these thoughts as Muslims, then it logically follows that there must be the same number of Christians doing suicide bombings as Muslims. But, silly me, I seem to have forgotten the last time a Christian has done that. Maybe you could refresh my memory?</div>Silly, silly boy! I guess you totally missed the part of my post where I covered the media bias, right? Do you honestly expect the American media to give an unbiased account of all terrorist attacks throughout the world? No... they will be showing more terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists in an effort to advocate the war in Iraq. Also, in case you lived in some sort of fantasy world, there are people of all religions, but mainly Christians (due to the fact that the US is a predominantly Christian country), that commit murders and crimes every single day in this country itself. There are always acts of terrorism going out throughout the world by people that follow all religions, that is a fact. The reason the US media only reports the terrorist acts of Islamic extremists is because they are in a fight against these extremists. You can rest assured that if Jews or Hindus were the ones behind 9/11, you would be hearing more about terrorist acts committed by followers of those two religions.If you honestly believe that there aren't Christians in this world that are committing heinous acts, you are completely ignorant. I'm not saying Christianity is an evil religion because of that, or because of the blood that they have shed throughout history... but unfortunately most people in the US hold a double standard in the sense that although Islamic extremists have committed the same acts, Islam is viewed as evil because of that, whereas Christianity is not.Obviously, Christians are not going to view their religion as evil, and neither are Muslims. Muslims don't view Christians or Christianity as being evil. We are taught to respect all religions, because all religions share the same fundamental message, yet most people do not give Islam the same respect.Also, since we live in a predominantly Christian country (USA), do you think the government or the media is going to start some "anti-Christianity" or "Christianity is evil" propoganda? No... it all depends on where you live, and what situation the country is in at the time. Since the US is in a "war on terror" in the middle east, it is only natural that the media will be covering more acts of terrorism committed by the Islamic extremists.If you can't understand that simple fact, then there really isn't much to say to you. Bias is a part of life, and everybody has it one way or another. To sit there and say that the American media, or the media in any country, is 100% unbiased is completely ludicrous and idiotic. If you don't think there are 5% of Christians throughout the world who are committing murders or terrorist attacks... well, then you really need to get out of that bubble you live in.All I'm saying is that there are ALWAYS those "bad apples" in every aspect of life, and that holds true for every religion and every walk of life. There are always those bad kids in your classes, those bad co-workers, etc. However, there is a double-standard in the sense that Christianity is not viewed as "evil" because of their "bad apples," but Islam is viewed as evil because of their "bad apples." Obviously, the American media has something to do with that. Maybe now some of you will understand why other countries throughout the world are anti-American.
 
I'm pointing out right now not to mention Timothy McVeigh as a example of a religious bomber...he bombed the building because of goverment getting out of control not anything to do with religion.
 
I must admit i havent taken the time to read the ENTIRE thread. But i must say a few things.1. No religion is ever EVIL, it is all based on enterpritation. For instance please click on the following link as it shows the equivalent of a Muslim extremist in a Cristian church http://www.break.com/index/hannityloon.html.2. We musent belive that the Islamic Religion is based upon killing the " infedels". In fact one of thier commandments " if we can call them that" is to respect other peoples religion. This is exebited my the Ocupation of Spain in the Middle Ages by Moors, where Jewish and Cristian Churches were allowed to continue giving masses with no problem at all.3. The problem i belive liesin the fact of the current condition of most Islamic countries. Most are in economical decline and extreme poverty ( Afganistan anyone? ), it is the same in my Mother Country where in the 50's the rich were getting richer and the poor poorer so a man called Fidel Castro came along and swept that all away just to be replaced with everyone being poor. They belive that the only way the can get out of thier situation they need to elect radical leaders , and those leaders are so far away from the truth and base of islam that they could not be called Moslems.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. No religion is ever EVIL, it is all based on enterpritation. For instance please click on the following link as it shows the equivalent of a Muslim extremist in a Cristian church http://www.break.com/index/hannityloon.html.</div> That a small family doing that...not a 'real' church.
 
Yes im afraid you are correct, but the poit i was trying to make was how a * peacefull and coexisting * religions like Cristianity could be bent to be viewd in a form that would benefit some, or make those believe they are helping society
 
Oh, and Yozo... you wanted me to tell you when the last time there were acts of terrorism committed by Christians, right? It happens all the time in the US.Have you ever heard of somebody murdering a doctor who provides people with abortion? That is an act of terrorism committed by Christians, because the murder is committed in order to uphold the goals and teachings of Christianity (in the eyes of the murderer).You want some more examples?<ul>[*]James Charles Kopp's shooting of abortion provider Dr. Barnett Slepian.[*]Tactics of strategic rape and abudction and conscription of children by the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.[*]The violent Christian Identiry movement.[/list]Christian groups with terrorist cells:<ul>[*]Christian Identity movement[*]Freedomites (also Svobokniki or Sons of Freedom, Canada, 1902-present)[*]Ku Klux Klan (A racist Protestant Christian organization founded during the Reconstruction period in the former Confederate States of America)[/list]Christian nationalist groups with terrorist cells<ul>[*]Lord's Resistance Army (1987-present) (Uganda)[*]Nagaland Rebels (1948-present) (Nagaland) including The National Liberation Front of Tripura[*]God's Army (a rebel faction of the Karen ethnic minority in Burma)[/list]See, acts of terrorism by Christians are out there as well, does that make Christianity evil? No it doesn't... yet although their are also Islamic terrorists, Islam is being viewed as evil? Now you may be able to have a clearer understanding of why there are countries throughout the world that are anti-American.Mainstream Christians of course consider these terroristic acts by Chrsitians to be violations of the ethics of Christianity... which is the same situation with the Islamic terrorists. Us Muslims keep claiming that the terrorists are violating our religion, but hey, we are all still viewed as evil, right?
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No religion teaches hate, so not any religion is evil, not Islam, just the extremists that bomb public towns and places.
 
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