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We might be better off though pursuing a young PG while we have the chance. Like maybe Mike Conley.

Perhaps we could trade Travis, Blake and some draft picks for Conley, and take back Jaric's contract.

Conley might have the added bonus of perking Greg Oden up.
 
For the PG position, I think... Sergio is gone either way. We either get a vet PG and Blake is gone so Bayless is the future, or we get a young stud like Sessions (or brooks who I like) and Bayless is gone and Blake is the backup (he would be a solid backup, imo).

I think we should trade with Houston as I think they have 3 players that would be great on our team...

Brooks | Blake
Roy | Rudy
Battier | Batum
Aldridge | Landry
Oden | Przybilla

Sergio, Bayless, Webster, Outlaw, Frye, Trade Exemption, our 1st rounder and some 2nd rounders are all trade assets IMO. We could bring over Koponen and Freeland to round out the 12-man roster and use one of our 2nds to draft a player to develop oversees.

I think that would be pretty sick. If not i'd really like a Sessions/Blair off-season as well. And I really like Maynor in the draft.
 
MrJayremmie said:
For the PG position, I think... Sergio is gone either way. We either get a vet PG and Blake is gone so Bayless is the future, or we get a young stud like Sessions (or brooks who I like) and Bayless is gone and Blake is the backup (he would be a solid backup, imo).

I think we should trade with Houston as I think they have 3 players that would be great on our team...

Brooks | Blake
Roy | Rudy
Battier | Batum
Aldridge | Landry
Oden | Przybilla

Sergio, Bayless, Webster, Outlaw, Frye, Trade Exemption, our 1st rounder and some 2nd rounders are all trade assets IMO. We could bring over Koponen and Freeland to round out the 12-man roster and use one of our 2nds to draft a player to develop oversees.

I think that would be pretty sick. If not i'd really like a Sessions/Blair off-season as well. And I really like Maynor in the draft.
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Assuming Brooks is even a good choice, why would Houston trade Brooks? They just traded away Rafer Alston and gave him the keys.
 
Assuming Brooks is even a good choice, why would Houston trade Brooks? They just traded away Rafer Alston and gave him the keys.
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I just hear they are frustrated wiith him a lot and Lowry sometimes does a better job than Brooks. They may also value Bayless higher? IDK. You are right, its a big assumption to assume Brooks is right for this team, I just like him I'm not sure why.
 
MrJayremmie said:
I just hear they are frustrated wiith him a lot and Lowry sometimes does a better job than Brooks. They may also value Bayless higher? IDK. You are right, its a big assumption to assume Brooks is right for this team, I just like him I'm not sure why.
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I value Bayless significantly higher than Brooks. He torched Portland's defense, but Portland's defense is particularly ill-suited to defend quick point guards. Brooks is not particularly good in general. Bayless had a rough rookie season and little chance to develop on the floor, but his talent level is much higher in my opinion.
 
I value Bayless significantly higher than Brooks. He torched Portland's defense, but Portland's defense is particularly ill-suited to defend quick point guards. Brooks is not particularly good in general. Bayless had a rough rookie season and little chance to develop on the floor, but his talent level is much higher in my opinion.
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Yep, this is what I want as well. This would be my first option, but I really like Brooks' game. And think Houston would be a great trading partner because they really have a youngish PG, a SF we need, and a banger backup PF all on the same team.

I think Brooks would be a pretty good target though. He is a really good shooter, a pesky defender, quick and can get into the lane very well, and is only 24. But I think it greatly depends on how Jerryd works out this offseason.
 
Miller would be perfect. Sign Miller, make Bayless his backup. Perfect. I don't know why people are so down on Bayless. The kid never even really got a shot. I look for him to play in the SL again, dominate again, and keep improving. He's still so young. Miller could come in at maybe 6-8 million a year for four years, man the starting spot for 2-3 years, and then Bayless takes over when he's ready. I can't think of a better scenario, short of trading for CP3, Deron Williams, or Tony Parker.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He's still so young.
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This is a key point that I think a lot of people are missing. He was only a year older than a prep-to-pro player would be, when Portland drafted him. This season would only have been his sophomore season at Arizona. He was expected not to be a polished, finished product and he got very little time on the court to develop polish.

It was mildly concerning that he wasn't hitting his perimeter shots, but considering he did that well in high school and college, I find it hard to believe that this is a skill which he simply "lost." More likely, he never got a chance to establish a rhythm for the NBA game due to his lack of time in NBA games, and his shot was what was affected most by that.

He's a great athlete with a really nice skillset: defense, slashing, finishing, shooting. His passing skills may need work, but he had enough of them to be one of the top prep point guard prospects of his class. I think his upside is still huge.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Miller would be perfect. Sign Miller, make Bayless his backup. Perfect. I don't know why people are so down on Bayless. The kid never even really got a shot. I look for him to play in the SL again, dominate again, and keep improving. He's still so young. Miller could come in at maybe 6-8 million a year for four years, man the starting spot for 2-3 years, and then Bayless takes over when he's ready. I can't think of a better scenario, short of trading for CP3, Deron Williams, or Tony Parker.
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I like him too, but I doubt he dominate this year in SL. I bet he plays strickly PG and works just on setting up his teammates. And since his teammates will suck so will his stats. But personally I could care less about his stats.
 
HurraKane212 said:
Remember, all of his life, when running the point, before passing the ball he has had to run a "risk vs return" analysis in his head, "is this person that I am about to pass the ball to more likely to hit a shot or draw a foul than I am?" The answer has typically been a resounding "No."
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This is a great point. Ultimately, a good point guard has to be a good decision-maker about what will maximize a scoring chance. If he happens to be the best scoring option on a possession, he'd be a poor decision-maker if he didn't call his own number. You don't pass for the sake of passing. You pass to improve your team's chances of scoring.

Bayless isn't the best scoring option each time down, now. And he's shown that he recognizes that, as he's been a willing passer. He's not at all a black hole.
 
azsun67 said:
I also read in another article that he says he wants to sign with a contender. I think we are the closest thing to a contender with cap space this off season.
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He probably wouldn't mind sticking it to Denver 4 times a year either since they traded him for AI :dunno:
 
reading through this thread I wanted to respond to every other post, but that would take longer then it will for my fish sticks to heat up so...

I like Miller and think he'd be a significant upgrade to Blake. He seems like Nate's sort of take care of the ball PG and he's a West coast guy. He'll be 33, but he's only missed 5 games in his 10 year career and has enjoyed back to back years above his fine PER average of around 18. I'd be for renouncing Blake along with Ruffin and Frye to make this happen unless of course there is something better available... like some delicious fish sticks :homer:

STOMP
 
:smiley-pucaodsmijeh

I was just a little hungry... really

anyhoo, I do like the potential of adding Miller. That would give them two heady physical guards who can create for others and finish. I'm sure he'd run a mean pick and roll with Greg. A starting lineup featuring Miller, Roy, Batum and Aldridge has plenty of outside threats... Roy and Nic shot 38% and 37% respectively from deep and LA and Miller have solid mid-range J's.

3 years guaranteed, max escalating starting at 8M would seem pretty ballpark figures of what it will take to sign him

STOMP
 
MrJayremmie said:
I just hear they are frustrated wiith him a lot and Lowry sometimes does a better job than Brooks. They may also value Bayless higher? IDK. You are right, its a big assumption to assume Brooks is right for this team, I just like him I'm not sure why.
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We lack quickness, someone to push the tempo, and passing. Brooks provides all three (along with some ill-advised shots), but decision making improves with time and he has the raw skills we need to compliment Roy perfectly. Sign me up!
 
Miller is warranted at least $40 million 5 years. If less, 4 years $35 million.
 
Maybe hypothetically compared to players the last couple of years but tell me who's really gonna pay him that, I see him making 6 or 7 million a year and I think a three year 7 million a year deal for him in this economy is generous personally.
 
igotask8board said:
Miller is warranted at least $40 million 5 years. If less, 4 years $35 million.
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In todays economy, and with his age, I really doubt he's going to get a contract that goes until he's 38 unless it's like a 5 year deal worth about 25 million.

He might get a 2 or 3 year deal, for maybe 14-21 million. You guys are underestimating just how much of a financial hit teams are taking right now, and how much that will play a role in the size of the contracts given to players. Especially older players. 33 is about the age when PG's start to diminish their skills. When Kidd turned 33, his game got worse. Same with Nash (although Nash's game is still better than Miller or Kidd).

I think one reason why people seem to think he'll get a bigger deal is because he hasn't been in the league for as long as his age implies. This is his 10th or 11th year, but he came into the league at 23. Being 33 is a lot for teams to invest money into, given the current situation of the league. The cap is going down, and teams are having to make cuts to their expenditures.

If Andre was 28-30, that's one thing. This isn't a players market at all.
 
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There's quite a few veteran point guards on the market this summer. Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, as well as Miller. I think Miller could be had for 6-8 million a year for 4-5 years.
 
ehizzy3 said:
sign miller and birdman or varajeo
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thought the same thing about birdman hes a good defensive player and is high energy off the bench and you know he will never demand anything more! just as long as he stays off some crack or whatever the fuck he used to do hes okish in my book

edit: what about kenyon martin too? whens his contract up and how much he get paid?
 
Nikolokolus said:
More fuel for the fire.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12510
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One destination Miller should consider this summer is Portland. The Blazers are in need of an upgrade at the point, and Miller's unassuming style would fit in very nicely in Portland. Miller could bring his experience and lead by example while simultaneously allowing Brandon Roy to remain the vocal leader and the team's best player in the clutch.

Portland will not be Miller's only option, but it could be an option that proves to be mutually beneficial.
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That's the one problem I have with Miller. I'd kind of like a more demonstrative PG. (Of course, many here would see that as Bayless.)
 
Stoke those fires!!

(btw, it's obvious Barkley doesn't do any preparation for the games - he doesn't even know who all of the players are. He's an idiot.)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
That's the one problem I have with Miller. I'd kind of like a more demonstrative PG. (Of course, many here would see that as Bayless.)
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Demonstrative in what sense? Do you mean the fist pumping, rah-rah guy, or a guy who is willing to get into his teammates' grill and demand accountability? I admit I've never spent too much time studying Miller's demeanor on the court.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Demonstrative in what sense? Do you mean the fist pumping, rah-rah guy, or a guy who is willing to get into his teammates' grill and demand accountability? I admit I've never spent too much time studying Miller's demeanor on the court.
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Both! And I've seen neither from Miller. Nor Bibby, come to that. But then again, Nash and Kidd don't seem too demonstrative, but they've done okay. But Miller is SUPER quiet. And him skipping the final Philly meeting might give us hope but on the other hand, it wasn't exactly classy.

Don't get me wrong, I've always admired Miller's game, right from his rookie year in Cleveland. But I do wonder about a guy who seems to bounce around and I've never heard a teammate sing his praises.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Both! And I've seen neither from Miller. Nor Bibby, come to that. But then again, Nash and Kidd don't seem too demonstrative, but they've done okay. But Miller is SUPER quiet. And him skipping the final Philly meeting might give us hope but on the other hand, it wasn't exactly classy.

Don't get me wrong, I've always admired Miller's game, right from his rookie year in Cleveland. But I do wonder about a guy who seems to bounce around and I've never heard a teammate sing his praises.
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Honestly, I think a big personality/huge ego type of guy coming in and trying to take over the alpha dog role could be more counter-productive than not. It worked for Chauncey when he went to Denver because he's got a ring, and who on that team was going to legitimately challenge Mr. Big Shot? Melo isn't a leader, K-Mart isn't a leader, he filled a vaccum.

In Portland with Brandon as the undisputed top-dog, I think Miller is much less of a risk from a chemistry standpoint, primarily because he'll be able to come in and blend in. I fully agree that a team needs one or two intense personalities that can pump people up and maybe that gets addressed if a guy like Brandon Bass is added to the team, or if Jerryd gets a more prominent backup role, lastly, I think Rudy has that kind of potential.

It's something to think about though.
 
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