Is it time to legalize marijuana?

[The_Lillard_King]

MNBC (I think) has done a great documentary on the legalization of mj in Colorado. Worth watching if the business side of legalized mj interest you.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Interesting take. Both have put many murders and rapist away for life and have fought hard to abolish the possibility of parole for certain people convicted of murder.

We should legalize The Purge too!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

[video=youtube;ObxBPLqm9pk]

 

[maxiep]

It's been a nightmare in Colorado. Tax revenues are a fraction of what they expected, while crime and driving while impaired numbers have dramatically increased. Our governor--who supported the measure--has said publicly if he had to do it again, he wouldn't have pushed for its legalization.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

It's been a nightmare in Colorado. Tax revenues are a fraction of what they expected, while crime and driving while impaired numbers have dramatically increased. Our governor--who supported the measure--has said publicly if he had to do it again, he wouldn't have pushed for its legalization.

Interesting to hear from someone who lives there (if I remember right).

Think the law will be repealed? The "documentary" gives a different picture . . .

 

[maxiep]

Interesting to hear from someone who lives there (if I remember right).

Think the law will be repealed? The "documentary" gives a different picture . . .

Yep. I live in Denver for most of the year.

Lots of car accidents from people driving stoned. The police haven't been able to come to an agreement on what driving while impaired means. People smoke it on the streets, whether there are kids around or not. People still buy it from dealers because it's cheaper. The only difference is now they don't have to hide their weed. Several corporations have told the governor they would not move to CO because of the legislation. Right now companies don't know what to do because while they can test for pot, they're not sure if they can fire someone who smokes it.

Bad planning and even worse execution. It's like the Oregon Country Fair around here. For sure, it will drive me out of Colorado.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

It's been a nightmare in Colorado. Tax revenues are a fraction of what they expected, while crime and driving while impaired numbers have dramatically increased. Our governor--who supported the measure--has said publicly if he had to do it again, he wouldn't have pushed for its legalization.

wow..I believe you Maxie..it is just that stories like this http://www.msnbc.com/all/does-marijuana-lower-the-crime-rate state otherwise. while stories like this http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23771049/slight-increase-crimes-near-medical-marijuana-dispensaries qualify crime and yet others like this https://news.vice.com/article/denve...ave-nothing-to-do-with-marijuana-legalization dispute results.

 

[RR7]

It's been a nightmare in Colorado. Tax revenues are a fraction of what they expected, while crime and driving while impaired numbers have dramatically increased. Our governor--who supported the measure--has said publicly if he had to do it again, he wouldn't have pushed for its legalization.

Where is that statement by the governor? I'm seeing the opposite. Where do you see the fraction of tax expected? I always, again, see the opposite

 

[maxiep]

wow..I believe you Maxie..it is just that stories like this http://www.msnbc.com/all/does-marijuana-lower-the-crime-rate state otherwise. while stories like this http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23771049/slight-increase-crimes-near-medical-marijuana-dispensaries qualify crime and yet others like this https://news.vice.com/article/denve...ave-nothing-to-do-with-marijuana-legalization dispute results.

Only the Denver Post's story is news. As for the Vice article, they focus on murder and auto theft. Murder doesn't have anything to do with weed use. And auto theft is declining everywhere because of advances in automotive technology. It's declining everywhere.

Petty crime is way up. Vagrancy is way up. Stoned and disorderly is way up. Homelessness is way up. Overdoses are way up, because so much of the weed comes in edible form. It has been a net loss for Denver in specific because the increased police costs dedicated to dealing with marijuana far outweighs the tax revenue.

Oregon will pass it soon enough. Then you can all have the same experience we have here in Colorado. Enjoy.

 

[maxiep]

Where is that statement by the governor? I'm seeing the opposite. Where do you see the fraction of tax expected? I always, again, see the opposite

Hickenlooper has made the statement both publicly and privately many times. There's a large pro weed lobby here that includes many of the news outlets. How it was sold during the vote and how it has come out are two different things. We were promised much more tax revenue than we're getting. The numbers you're likely seeing are from the pro marijuana lobby who think a single dollar of tax revenue is manna from heaven. As Hickenlooper has told other states, if you're doing this for tax revenue, don't do it. It's a net loss.

Hickenlooper may very well lose to Beauprez simply on the basis of legalizing marijuana. He's actually trailing. That's a stunning development.

 

[RR7]

I keep seeing stories that he opposed it initially, not supported it. I dunno. Not seeing where he has said he would be opposed now. Though, that seems like it wouldn't really be a change.
What was the revenue you were promised? Again, seeing all the revenue as higher than all of the estimates. Care to share his quotes and the high projections?

 

[maxiep]

I keep seeing stories that he opposed it initially, not supported it. I dunno. Not seeing where he has said he would be opposed now. Though, that seems like it wouldn't really be a change.
What was the revenue you were promised? Again, seeing all the revenue as higher than all of the estimates. Care to share his quotes and the high projections?

It's all local news. Look it up if you wish. I just need to turn on the television.

As for revenue we were promised, the taxes from marijuana were supposed to stem any increase in school taxes. School taxes went up 8% this year in Denver. Overtime costs have also gone up for the Denver police, due almost exclusively to marijuana-related incidents.

Every state will have its own experience. People in Boulder love it. Denver is divided on it. Colorado Springs hates it. We'll see how people in Oregon like it.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Only the Denver Post's story is news. As for the Vice article, they focus on murder and auto theft. Murder doesn't have anything to do with weed use. And auto theft is declining everywhere because of advances in automotive technology. It's declining everywhere.

Petty crime is way up. Vagrancy is way up. Stoned and disorderly is way up. Homelessness is way up. Overdoses are way up, because so much of the weed comes in edible form. It has been a net loss for Denver in specific because the increased police costs dedicated to dealing with marijuana far outweighs the tax revenue.

Oregon will pass it soon enough. Then you can all have the same experience we have here in Colorado. Enjoy.

ya know it make sense to have an increase in petty crime, homelessness, stoned and disorderly etc..the legalization has had to attracted the worst of the worst to the circus like atmosphere that had been created. One would have to think that it will abate as other states legalize and Colorado no longer resides as the Belle of the ball.

maybe I am being way too optimistic in believing that this is the way to make something good out of a stinking pile of poo.

 

[RR7]

So many examples, unable to provide one. Thanks! I always like when people make claims, and expect others to find the info themselves.
Increase in school tax isn't specifically an"it made less than projected", since it has made more, but whatever. You've railed on pot on here many times throughout the years, so unsubstantiated claims of how awful it is is to be expected.

 

[maxiep]

So many examples, unable to provide one. Thanks! I always like when people make claims, and expect others to find the info themselves.
Increase in school tax isn't specifically an"it made less than projected", since it has made more, but whatever. You've railed on pot on here many times throughout the years, so unsubstantiated claims of how awful it is is to be expected.

Congratulations! You won the interwebs warz!

I couldn't give two shits--not even one in fact--what some random person thinks. Believe me or not, it makes no difference. In the interim, please find me an audio link from a few months ago on KXL or KOPB. Better yet, find me a video from a few months ago on KATU or KGW. kthx.

Perhaps you mistake this for high school debate. I left my ox box far behind. I'm just passing on the experience of actually living here and experiencing it first-hand. I should just understand that hanging back in Oregon makes you the expert about what's going on here.

 

[RR7]

Lol. Saw that response coming a mile away.

 

[PDXFonz]

Might as well be legal seeing how sleazy doctors are making millions writing people severe pain medical prescriptions for stubbed toes...I'm sure many of you think that is an exaggeration, which it is not, it's really that join easy to join the OMMP. These doctors who sign prescriptions for anyone that walks through their door are taking away money that could go to our schools and roads.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yep. I live in Denver for most of the year.

Lots of car accidents from people driving stoned. The police haven't been able to come to an agreement on what driving while impaired means. People smoke it on the streets, whether there are kids around or not. People still buy it from dealers because it's cheaper. The only difference is now they don't have to hide their weed. Several corporations have told the governor they would not move to CO because of the legislation. Right now companies don't know what to do because while they can test for pot, they're not sure if they can fire someone who smokes it.

Bad planning and even worse execution. It's like the Oregon Country Fair around here. For sure, it will drive me out of Colorado.

Weren't you leaving the country anyways?

 

[magnifier661]

Yep. I live in Denver for most of the year.

Lots of car accidents from people driving stoned. The police haven't been able to come to an agreement on what driving while impaired means. People smoke it on the streets, whether there are kids around or not. People still buy it from dealers because it's cheaper. The only difference is now they don't have to hide their weed. Several corporations have told the governor they would not move to CO because of the legislation. Right now companies don't know what to do because while they can test for pot, they're not sure if they can fire someone who smokes it.

Bad planning and even worse execution. It's like the Oregon Country Fair around here. For sure, it will drive me out of Colorado.

So shall we make alcohol illegal too? More auto deaths are associated with drunk driving than any other substance on the planet.

 

[maxiep]

Might as well be legal seeing how sleazy doctors are making millions writing people severe pain medical prescriptions for stubbed toes...I'm sure many of you think that is an exaggeration, which it is not, it's really that join easy to join the OMMP. These doctors who sign prescriptions for anyone that walks through their door are taking away money that could go to our schools and roads.

When they legalized medical marijuana in CO, Westword (our Willamette Week) did an article where they discovered over 90% of all prescriptions for weed in the City of Denver were written by only four physicians. SMH.

 

[maxiep]

Weren't you leaving the country anyways?

The country left me.

 

[maxiep]

So shall we make alcohol illegal too? More auto deaths are associated with drunk driving than any other substance on the planet.

I love this argument. There's a big difference between alcohol and marijuana. The biggest is that you can make alcohol out of pretty much anything. Marijuana comes from a very specific seed. In other words, if you wanted to eradicate weed, you could. You couldn't do it with alcohol.

Second, it's very difficult to OD on alcohol because your body will vomit it up. There have been a number of ODs here in Colorado from edible THC.

Third, there are all kinds of safeguards to prevent drunk driving. Bartenders, establishments and party hosts can be held liable for drunk driving. There is a measurable limit at which it illegal to drive. There is no established, measurable limit for marijuana to measure impairment.

Fourth, of course there are more fatalities due to alcohol than weed, because more people use it more often. You would need to look at a per capita study.

Fifth, kids can't drink much alcohol; the taste is awful and their bodies can't tolerate it. Kids can eat a pot brownie or cookie just like a regular one.

Sixth, don't give me the argument that alcohol is worse than marijuana. There are now studies that show marijuana rewires the brain faster than alcohol abuse. And long-term marijuana smoking is just as damaging as long term drinking. It turns out that abuse is abuse.

But you keep on truckin'.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The country left me.

Hahahahaha!

Rep'd.

 

[magnifier661]

I love this argument. There's a big difference between alcohol and marijuana. The biggest is that you can make alcohol out of pretty much anything. Marijuana comes from a very specific seed. In other words, if you wanted to eradicate weed, you could. You couldn't do it with alcohol.

Yeah there is a big difference between weed and alcohol. Alcohol is actually poison bro. You should look it up. Over use cause serious kidney and liver problems, while weed has no documented fatalities.

Second, it's very difficult to OD on alcohol because your body will vomit it up. There have been a number of ODs here in Colorado from edible THC.

You must eat at least a 40,000 times of weed equivalent of to OD.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_you_overdose_on_marijuana_if_so_how

Next time know what you argue about before you run your mouth

Third, there are all kinds of safeguards to prevent drunk driving. Bartenders, establishments and party hosts can be held liable for drunk driving. There is a measurable limit at which it illegal to drive. There is no established, measurable limit for marijuana to measure impairment.

Until you show me the links that support all these weed related accidents, it didn't happen.

Fourth, of course there are more fatalities due to alcohol than weed, because more people use it more often. You would need to look at a per capita study.

Well you should have it then shouldn't you?

Fifth, kids can't drink much alcohol; the taste is awful and their bodies can't tolerate it. Kids can eat a pot brownie or cookie just like a regular one.

Link? Sounds like an opinion, not a fact. I mean kids drink drain cleaner and die.

Sixth, don't give me the argument that alcohol is worse than marijuana. There are now studies that show marijuana rewires the brain faster than alcohol abuse. And long-term marijuana smoking is just as damaging as long term drinking. It turns out that abuse is abuse.

But you keep on truckin'.

Link to this baseless claim?

1.) give me documentation of the OD of weed?

2.) Show me the studies of the harmful effects if weed as it pertains to health like you claim?

 

[magnifier661]

Dude I don't even smoke weed, but laugh at the 50's propaganda old folks like you

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I understand the problems legalized marijuana can create in society, but no worse (in fact less worse, iMO) than alcohol. I believe it should be a freedom of choice issue v being illegal, but very heavily regulated.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yeah there is a big difference between weed and alcohol. Alcohol is actually poison bro. You should look it up. Over use cause serious kidney and liver problems, while weed has no documented fatalities.

You must eat at least a 40,000 times of weed equivalent of to OD.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_you_overdose_on_marijuana_if_so_how

Next time know what you argue about before you run your mouth

Until you show me the links that support all these weed related accidents, it didn't happen.

Well you should have it then shouldn't you?

Link? Sounds like an opinion, not a fact. I mean kids drink drain cleaner and die.

Link to this baseless claim?

1.) give me documentation of the OD of weed?

2.) Show me the studies of the harmful effects if weed as it pertains to health like you claim?

It's right here, if this doesn't scare you about the evils of marijuana then nothing will.

[video=youtube;54xWo7ITFbg]

 

[magnifier661]

It's right here, if this doesn't scare you about the evils of marijuana then nothing will.

[video=youtube;54xWo7ITFbg]

Lmao!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

https://today.yougov.com/news/2014/07/15/steady-public-support-for-legalizing-marijuana/

 

[riverman]

Last time this initiative was proposed local growers voted against it. Their reason was it cuts into their profits and they don't pay taxes on it now. California had the same thing, Humbolt growers didn't want the gov't involved in their tax free wealth.