Is it time to legalize marijuana? (1 Viewer)

[Denny Crane]

I don't see any reason to outlaw it, nor any reason to regulate it.

I'm fine with a sin tax on it.

There's too long been a prohibition against it. With prohibition comes gangs and violent crime, just as in the '20s. All we've done is put lots of people in jail who aren't violent criminals.

 

[riverman]

Agree with Denny here but Al Capone didn't go to jail for violent crimes, he went for not paying taxes. I haven't seen a lot of violent pot smokers forming gangs either. I'm for legalization but not because I fear potheads going through withdrawals in the streets.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Currently a person can sue and get millions from tobacco companies when they smoke cigs that they knew, for a fact before they started, could cause cancer. People can also sue due to second hand smoke. When similar lawsuits begin against marijuana growers (brain disease, second hand smoke highs, gateway drug...) I wonder what will happen t the price of weed?

 

[PDXFonz]

Currently a person can sue and get millions from tobacco companies when they smoke cigs that they knew, for a fact before they started, could cause cancer. People can also sue due to second hand smoke. When similar lawsuits begin against marijuana growers (brain disease, second hand smoke highs, gateway drug...) I wonder what will happen t the price of weed?

What planet do you live on/rock do you live under where you think people are winning lawsuits against big tobacco?
Maybe 1/200,000 lawsuits wins

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

What planet do you live on/rock do you live under where you think people are winning lawsuits against big tobacco?
Maybe 1/200,000 lawsuits wins

They're winning now.

They are now settled out of court.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't see any reason to outlaw it, nor any reason to regulate it.

I'm fine with a sin tax on it.

There's too long been a prohibition against it. With prohibition comes gangs and violent crime, just as in the '20s. All we've done is put lots of people in jail who aren't violent criminals.

No reason to regulate it?

Can smoke and drive? Can smoke in the a mall? kids can buy it? Can use pesticides to grow it and sell it?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Currently a person can sue and get millions from tobacco companies when they smoke cigs that they knew, for a fact before they started, could cause cancer. People can also sue due to second hand smoke. When similar lawsuits begin against marijuana growers (brain disease, second hand smoke highs, gateway drug...) I wonder what will happen t the price of weed?

Yet when I walk into 7-11, safeway and costco there is a wall of cigarettes for sale. the biggest cost to the cigarette is the tax imposed by the state and feds. Lawsuits won't kill the industry

 

[PDXFonz]

Maxie how long have you lived in Colorado?

 

[Denny Crane]

Agree with Denny here but Al Capone didn't go to jail for violent crimes, he went for not paying taxes. I haven't seen a lot of violent pot smokers forming gangs either. I'm for legalization but not because I fear potheads going through withdrawals in the streets.

Pot smokers aren't violent. The gangs that fight over turf to sell drugs are. Just like Capone's gang fought other gangs over turf to sell alcohol.

Make it legit and there's no turf to fight over.

 

[Denny Crane]

No reason to regulate it?

Can smoke and drive? Can smoke in the a mall? kids can buy it? Can use pesticides to grow it and sell it?

That's not regulating it.

Deciding who can grow it and sell it and how it must be grown and sold is regulating it.

Roughly the same sorts of laws that apply to alcohol should apply to pot. DUI is DUI, etc. though you might not actually be under the influence even if some test says you have it in your bloodstream.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That's not regulating it.

Deciding who can grow it and sell it and how it must be grown and sold is regulating it.

Roughly the same sorts of laws that apply to alcohol should apply to pot. DUI is DUI, etc. though you might not actually be under the influence even if some test says you have it in your bloodstream.

Well call it what you want, the gov't should "control" or regulate the age in which you can buy it, where you allowed to use it, who is allowed to sell it and what you are allowed to do while it is in your system (can't drive).

 

[donkiez]

Downtown Denver since legalization.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Downtown Denver since legalization.

In the next photo all the drivers get out of their cars and forum a drum circle.

 

[donkiez]

Its not just Colorado, the MJ overdoses are happening all over the country. When will freedom take back over and save us from ourselves.

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[DaLincolnJones]

Well call it what you want, the gov't should "control" or regulate the age in which you can buy it, where you allowed to use it, who is allowed to sell it and what you are allowed to do while it is in your system (can't drive).

Hmm at the most basic level, there are already laws that protect the public. The same laws that apply to alcohol apply to weed. To take this one step further, the production should be dealt with the same. Home growers should be treated the same as home brewers. When the en devour is taken to the commercial level, all of the same regulation should apply.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Its not just Colorado, the MJ overdoses are happening all over the country. When will freedom take back over and save us from ourselves.

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Oh for crying out loud, that has to be repped



: I think we are dead, time is going by really slow" HAhahahahahahhahahahahah

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Hmm at the most basic level, there are already laws that protect the public. The same laws that apply to alcohol apply to weed. To take this one step further, the production should be dealt with the same. Home growers should be treated the same as home brewers. When the en devour is taken to the commercial level, all of the same regulation should apply.

Yes there are basic laws to protect public, like reckless driving. But then there are laws that just regulate use of alcohol, like DUII. Alcohol is highly regulated and weed should be too. Gov't really doesn't regulate coffee or soda or water. Anyone can buy as much coffee as they want. I wold hate to see someone on the road after 20 cups of coffee (or 20 pills of tylenol PM) but that by itself isn't illegal and is not regulated by the gov't.

IF you drink a certain amount of alcohol, effected by it or not or driving perfectly safe, you are not allowed to drive. Also they regulate who can buy it and where it can be consumed. Not true with most other substances. I suspect they will do the same with weed and they should, IMO

 

[Denny Crane]

DUI isn't regulation. It's criminalization. You get arrested for DUI. You appear in front of a criminal court. You may end up in jail or prison.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

DUI isn't regulation. It's criminalization. You get arrested for DUI. You appear in front of a criminal court. You may end up in jail or prison.

Well Denny however you want to label it.

What about regulating who can buy it, where you can drink it. Open container is not a crime, it's a violation. Can't end up in jail, not criminalization so what is it.

OLCC regulates alcohol sales and are allowed to either revoke license or charge crimes, like law enforcement, if establishments violate the regulations. Another example is if someone under 21 has any alcohol in their system they can lose their license but not be charges with a crime. So gov't controls use of alcohol with taking away business license or driver's icense or fines, all without it being a crime.

I think you are hung up on with semantics. Bottom line is gov't very heavily regulates use of alcohol, punishable by revocation of business license, driver's license or jail . . . and probably other forms of punishment I don't know about.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can't put a business in jail. Taking away its license is a death sentence. For violating the criminal code, not some regulation.

A regulation says "beer must be x% alcohol" or whatever. Or that liquor stores must close at 2AM.

They are usually created by politicians bought and paid for by some constituency. For example, a microbrewery can only sell so much beer (gallons, whatever) before regulations require them to sell their beer through a distributor. The distributors being the constituency that's bought the politicians.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You can't put a business in jail. Taking away its license is a death sentence. For violating the criminal code, not some regulation.

A regulation says "beer must be x% alcohol" or whatever. Or that liquor stores must close at 2AM.

They are usually created by politicians bought and paid for by some constituency. For example, a microbrewery can only sell so much beer (gallons, whatever) before regulations require them to sell their beer through a distributor. The distributors being the constituency that's bought the politicians.

You can't put a person over the age of 21 in jail for having an open container of alcohol in public, but you can fine them . . . that's not criminalization but the gov't is allowed to take money out of your pocket if you don't do what they say. Sounds like regulating behavior to me.

But again, we are bantering over semantics.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can't put a person over the age of 21 in jail for having an open container of alcohol in public, but you can fine them . . . that's not criminalization but the gov't is allowed to take money out of your pocket if you don't do what they say. Sounds like regulating behavior to me.

But again, we are bantering over semantics.

If they can fine you for an open container, it is a criminal offense. If they tell you that you can have an open container on the south side of the street but not the north side, then it's regulation.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If they can fine you for an open container, it is a criminal offense. If they tell you that you can have an open container on the south side of the street but not the north side, then it's regulation.

It's not a criminal offense, it's legal designation is a violation. Also it doesn't fit your definition of criminalization, gov't can't put you in jail for an open container.

Plus the gov't does tell you that you can have that open container inside a establishment or in designated outdoor seating area, but as soon as you walk onto the street it is a violation of open container. If you then take a sip, it is drinking in public and a crime.

But I'm not sure where this is going anymore.

 

[Denny Crane]

It fits THE definition. It is either a misdemeanor or an infraction. These laws are enacted at the municipality level.

I don't think it should be regulated. Let people grow and sell it freely.

It's fair that DUI is a criminal offense, selling to minors, etc.

 

[magnifier661]

I saw this amazing bud yesterday. My friend smoked many bowls, while laughing at the thread.


Go Blazers!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

its not just the tax revenue

the police dont have to arrest people for it, saving man hours

the courts dont have to prosecute it, saving man hours

the states dont have to imprison people for it, saving billions

you would almost think that people have zero clue about anything except what the scare media foists upon them.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I love this argument. There's a big difference between alcohol and marijuana. The biggest is that you can make alcohol out of pretty much anything. Marijuana comes from a very specific seed. In other words, if you wanted to eradicate weed, you could. You couldn't do it with alcohol.

it would be incredibly hard to eradicate. the shit grows like a, wait for it... weed.

Second, it's very difficult to OD on alcohol because your body will vomit it up.

There are approximately 88,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.1 This makes excessive alcohol use the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for the nation.2 Excessive alcohol use is responsible for 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) annually, or an average of about 30 years of potential life lost for each death.1 In 2006, there were more than 1.2 million emergency room visits and 2.7 million physician office visits due to excessive drinking.3 The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion.3

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

you were saying?

There have been a number of ODs here in Colorado from edible THC.

seriously...link?

Third, there are all kinds of safeguards to prevent drunk driving. Bartenders, establishments and party hosts can be held liable for drunk driving. There is a measurable limit at which it illegal to drive.

so because drunk driving is such an enormous problem that there are numerous safeguards designed to limit it makes it...not a problem? this must be performance art.

Fourth, of course there are more fatalities due to alcohol than weed

agreed

Fifth, kids can't drink much alcohol; the taste is awful and their bodies can't tolerate it. Kids can eat a pot brownie or cookie just like a regular one.

back to the performance art i see

http://www.camy.org/factsheets/sheets/prevalence_of_underage_drinking.html

Sixth, don't give me the argument that alcohol is worse than marijuana.

interesting tactic...dont argue with you?

There are now studies that show marijuana rewires the brain faster than alcohol abuse.

studies as in plural?

And long-term marijuana smoking is just as damaging as long term drinking

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pure unadulterated brainwashed bullshit.

It turns out that abuse is abuse.

and feet are feet, and dogs are dogs. another interesting take.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Here is a link to a simple, yet comprehensive article that covers both sides http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/colorado-marijuana-legal-108827.html

 

[MarAzul]

I see people making comparison of pot to alcohol in all these discussions. I can't really see the connection. Pot's more like codeine that you smoke. If smoking cigarettes are bad and raises everyones ire, how the hell does pot smoking come in as Ok?

Anyone ever been in a place where the pot smoke is heavy? It's fucking terrible, had to leave a Willie Nelson shindig once due to pot smoke out of control. Then there was this bar in Hyder Alaska, a lawless place you can only get to by boat from the US. A road in from Canada but hardly used and sure not by any US law. One bar in the town and the whole dam town is in there daily getting wasted. Pot smoke too thick to possibly test if the beer smells Ok. Utopia I suppose for a pot head but what a fucking waste of humanity.

I will vote against this everyday. Hell I want to see the fuckers that sell this shit to kids hung, not make the it legal. Don't give me this crap that it is better than alcohol, hell I have fired people that were devoted to pot and not their job. Saved a few in rehab from alcohol but never had a successful rehab from pot.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

you dont like it, so nobody should do it

how out of character