Is it totally unheard of....

[Ghost Pepper]

Maybe just maybe Mr.Roy could give back some of this huge freaking contract knowing in his heart he's not the franchise player he was paid to be anymore; and truly be a LEADER and help this team "HIS TEAM" win!?!

I know in an era of greed this might be French in a Korean room but it can be done! We have all been duped on this Bradon deal but ownership and Brandon can both come out looking much better to season ticket holders and all the fans,with a bit of dare I say at this time of year "GOOD WILL!"

Asking the Trailblazers fans to stomach Greg yet again and a management that looks completely clueless on all forms of bball IQ seems almost to much. Than to throw in Brandon for the final piece of this triangle of dysfunction could finally snap this city and it's love for their team!

I think the whole Blazer organization needs to look at these events seriously because five more years of below average hoops and an economy like ours could turn the Rose Garden into Memphis Stadium in a hurry!


Portland fans are loyal, not to be confused with stupid!! They were sold a sports car with severe engine flaws and the manufacturer knew about it all along! Sure we might have to eat the sticker but we'll never buy from that company again!

To have this kind of team talent as a whole fall apart this fast seems unthinkable. More insulting is that the organization knew most of this prior to this season and allowed this product to be marketed and sold for top dollar!

Once again a little GOOD WILL could go a long way here!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Money talks and bullshit walks.

There's no way any person will give back tens of millions of dollars over a moral decision.

The only thing we could hope for is a medical retirement. That's the only way.

 

[HailBlazers]

Step. Away, From the Ledge. It's not Worth it.

 

[Minstrel]

There's no way any person will give back tens of millions of dollars over a moral decision.

Not to mention, there's no moral issue involved here.

 

[Ed O]

Brandon Roy will not give any money back... especially if he's able to keep taking the court.

And the Blazers will be fine. The championship window we all foresaw might never open, but Roy's bad contract won't be a reason that the team will be incapable of fielding a good team.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

It's against the current CBA to renegotiate an existing contract to a lower salary.

Even if Roy wants to give back money, his contract doesn't allow it, so this entire thread is not based in reality. Perhaps it could be revisited under a new CBA, if a lowering of existing contract provision exists in it.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

All I'm saying is.... He can't play what he's paid to do on the level we or he expects to be on! His contract is a killer and along with Greg has made many fans feel duped! It's a character thing for me, I don't think BRoy or the organization as a whole let on just how bad his knees are, to secure season ticket holders money and fan support.

I feel firing KP, Greg out again, BRoy half the player he was and a sour economy will come back to bite Paul Allan and the Vulcans in the ass! Fans in the large masses away from boards like these will not pay to see their team punished by guys like Zach Randolph and crew....

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Roy was severely underpaid for the work he has done up to now, relative to what others in the league were making.

 

[Minstrel]

All I'm saying is.... He can't play what he's paid to do on the level we or he expects to be on!

Athletes go after guaranteed contracts/money because their careers could end at any moment. Both the player and team go into the transaction with that understanding. I'm sorry that this is new and shocking to you, but Roy doesn't owe returning a cent.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Well say that tonight while watching Dallas play! BRoy makes a 100k+ a game.... that's a ton of money for basically a jump shooting sixth man!

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't even that he would be allowed to under the current CBA. Roy did nothing wrong, IMO. Cho has already said they knew he had knee issues before the contract, so If my company wanted to give me 13 million dollars a year to give birth to a child, knowing full well I couldn't already, that's not my problem

 

[Driew]

The only player I could ever see doing that, if it was even allowed, would be Tim Duncan.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

The only player I could ever see doing that, if it was even allowed, would be Tim Duncan.

The only player I see doing that would be Ron Artest because it is batshit crazy.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Minstrel, I get it....... "GREED FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WORD IS GOOD!" Unfortunately Portland just became Bluestar air!

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

The only player I could ever see doing that, if it was even allowed, would be Tim Duncan.

Oberto insisted he not be paid the remainder of his contract this year, even though it was guaranteed. It obviously was not the same amount of dollars as a max deal, but still a very commendable act IMO.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Guess it could also be said that Rasheed did that by walking away from the last year of his deal with Boston.

 

[Minstrel]

Minstrel, I get it....... "GREED FOR A LACK OF A BETTER WORD IS GOOD!" Unfortunately Portland just became Bluestar air!

No, keeping money that was given to you in a perfectly ethical transaction is fine.

I don't think that's a quote from a movie, but far more apropos.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Not if you represented yourself as a capable franchise type of player knowing you needed rest and ice every other game. He took franchise money, not sixth man. VERY DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS!!! It's not like his body gave out after multiple years. Year 1 of his contract! Come on!

 

[Minstrel]

Not if you represented yourself as a capable franchise type of player knowing you needed rest and ice every other game. He took franchise money, not sixth man. VERY DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS!!! It's not like his body gave out after multiple years. Year 1 of his contract! Come on!

He represented himself as what he was at the time. Injuries change careers. I'm sure this is the first time it's happened in sports history, though, so your anger and shock is very reasonable.

 

[PapaG]

Guess it could also be said that Rasheed did that by walking away from the last year of his deal with Boston.

Yeah, I suppose Roy could retire and immediately end his contract. How long before the howlers start howling for him to walk away from the NBA?

 

[Ghost Pepper]

I'm not angry, I think when your knees have been bad for year you know you have a condition to deal with. Now if he could play in pain to the level he's been, GREAT! He can't, he misrepresented himself and "I" would want to do the right thing by my teamates and still try and win some games for a franchise that has made my life amazing!

I don't think it's a hard concept unless you feel 45 mill after tax is a GOD given right! He'll still be a millionaire Minstrel.....

 

[PapaG]

Not if you represented yourself as a capable franchise type of player knowing you needed rest and ice every other game. He took franchise money, not sixth man. VERY DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS!!! It's not like his body gave out after multiple years. Year 1 of his contract! Come on!

The team obviously felt he was a franchise type of player as well. Your anger seems misplaced. Instead of being mad at Roy for him signing a contract presented to him, wouldn't it make more sense to be upset at the people who actually offered him a max deal?

 

[RR7]

Misrepresented himself? Yeah, I'm sure you'd be giving money back. Come on.

And at the time you were yelling at KP to get his deal done, and how it was bad of KP to not just give him anything he wants. Can't demand he be given whatever it is he wants, and then be upset that it happened, and that you somehow feel duped. Easiest thing to do, since you know Roy isn't givng money back, and can't, is to stop supporting the team.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

I'm not angry, I think when your knees have been bad for year you know you have a condition to deal with. Now if he could play in pain to the level he's been, GREAT! He can't, he misrepresented himself and "I" would want to do the right thing by my teamates and still try and win some games for a franchise that has made my life amazing!

I don't think it's a hard concept unless you feel 45 mill after tax is a GOD given right! He'll still be a millionaire Minstrel.....

How did he misrepresent himself? He signed the contract after being the only player to show up against HOU in the playoffs (with a 26 PER) and playing in a career-high number of games. At the time, he absolutely was a franchise player.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Both Roy and the management are at fault here! Once again I'm not angry, mad or anything...... I'm just making a point about doing the right thing! I would however check where these team Dr.'s went to med school! HAHAHAHA

 

[Ghost Pepper]

He has been bone on bone since college, that was one of his knocks in the draft...... So he can score 28 a game but he can't move the next day, how many years do ya think you can do that for? Is it wise to put the franchise spotlight on yourself knowing you aren't going to get any better? It's not like he blew out his MCL after signing a long term contract, his knees have always been bad. There has to be a little personal responsibility there! That said the Blazers organization also drafted a trim Shawn Kemp! HA!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Since we are wool-gathering:

Let's say the owners get exactly what they want in the new CBA - nonguaranteed contracts, made retroactive.

In that scenario, the Blazers could save a big chunk of change by just releasing Roy outright. How would people respond to that? If the team had the option of saying "you are no longer worth your contract - good-bye" would people be outraged, or would they understand?

 

[PapaG]

He has been bone on bone since college, that was one of his knocks in the draft...... So he can score 28 a game but he can't move the next day, how many years do ya think you can do that for? Is it wise to put the franchise spotlight on yourself knowing you aren't going to get any better? It's not like he blew out his MCL after signing a long term contract, his knees have always been bad. There has to be a little personal responsibility there! That said the Blazers organization also drafted a trim Shawn Kemp! HA!

You're really not making any sense. From I do understand, you seem to be saying that Roy should have declined a max extension, and demanded a contract for less money because he (apparently?) knew that someday he would be a lesser player? Did I get that right? Using that logic, why should any player sign a large contract, since a catastrophic injury can happen at literally any moment.

Would you feel differently if Roy was 100% healthy, signed his extension, and then blew out both of his knees last season. And I mean total blowout; MCL, ACL, and cartilage, resulting in microfracture on both knees as well as reparing the ligaments.

Roy was 2nd team All-NBA when he signed his max extension. I've seen some crazy criticisms here, but yours is off the charts, IMO.

 

[B-Roy]

The only player I see doing that would be Ron Artest because it is batshit crazy.

Funny you should mention that.

Artest IS giving his salary away this year (or at least part of it) to charity.

 

[PapaG]

Since we are wool-gathering:

Let's say the owners get exactly what they want in the new CBA - nonguaranteed contracts, made retroactive.

In that scenario, the Blazers could save a big chunk of change by just releasing Roy outright. How would people respond to that? If the team had the option of saying "you are no longer worth your contract - good-bye" would people be outraged, or would they understand?

The owners aren't going to get the retroactive provision, but I'll play along. If Roy or any player in a non-guaranteed/NFL salary structure isn't performing up to their contract, I have no issues with that player being released. I'm a big fan of the NFL and the Raiders, and what you describe is commonplace in the NFL. It does lead to fans identifying less with a player than with the team, and there is a much larger of margin for error in releasing a player in the NFL due to roster size, but I'd be cool with it. I'm used to it already, and it does allow for much more team flexibility in terms of rebuilding.