Is Meyers Leonard For Real?

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H.C. said:
The mere fact that I remember a few times last year Nards was in position to contest a shot. Fail horribly at it.
But in position non-the-less.
Shows improvement.
This is not something that happened the previous two years.
As it's been said in this thread by someone arguing with me. The numbers were too small of a sample size to actually make a fair judgement.
Therefore any numbers argument for, or against him is completely invalid.
However this same person keeps going back to numbers. Just like you just did.

Nards is going to get first look at the backup Center spot with Davis gone this year.
It's things like actually being in the right spot on the court... That will keep me from making my first ever twitter account and getting it blocked by Nards.
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He's unable to effectively contest shots... I dont see how him being unable to contest shots even though he's in position to "shows improvement"...

We do this exercise every year. He's always going to be a bad defender. He can't protect the rim at all. He's too slow of a jumper and doesn't know how to go straight up and down. He defends smaller than he is. He looks 6'6 when defending the rim.
 
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H.C. said:
As someone who hates Nards on the Blazers. Even I can admit Nards was better last year.
You can't because you're too obsessed with stats, box scores, and your irrational hatred of a player.
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If his defense was a career worse, how can his overall game be better?
 
H.C. said:
The mere fact that I remember a few times last year Nards was in position to contest a shot. Fail horribly at it.
But in position non-the-less.
Shows improvement.
This is not something that happened the previous two years.
As it's been said in this thread by someone arguing with me. The numbers were too small of a sample size to actually make a fair judgement.
Therefore any numbers argument for, or against him is completely invalid.
However this same person keeps going back to numbers. Just like you just did.

Nards is going to get first look at the backup Center spot with Davis gone this year.
It's things like actually being in the right spot on the court... That will keep me from making my first ever twitter account and getting it blocked by Nards.
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Meyers was awful last year similar to prior years. Why are you splitting hairs comparing his awful play to even more awful play of his years prior? There are 14 other players on the roster and Meyers should not be playing meaningful minutes irrespective of Ed missed absence.
 
H.C. said:
As someone who hates Nards on the Blazers. Even I can admit Nards was better last year.
You can't because you're too obsessed with stats, box scores, and your irrational hatred of a player.
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How is it "irrational" to dislike a player who is grossly over-paid, frequently clueless, and has a learning curve that is close to flat?
 
I really had not looked at his stats close. How do you even get on a basketball court as a 7 foot player and register 0.0 blocks per game for an entire season? Seriously.... I understand he played less minutes. But he was on a basketball court for 254 minutes last season. That is over 4 hours against mostly 2nd and 3rd string players. Usually mop up time or end of bench type situations. This is your Fan Fest MVP!
 
BTW, since the Oden-over-KD debacle, I am a firm believer in evaluating big men with the 6" rule. In other words, if this guy was 6'6" instead of 7' would he still be a basketball player?

In Leonard's case, I think the answer is pretty obvious.
 
BonesJones said:
He's unable to effectively contest shots... I dont see how him being unable to contest shots even though he's in position to "shows improvement"...

We do this exercise every year. He's always going to be a bad defender. He can't protect the rim at all. He's too slow of a jumper and doesn't know how to go straight up and down. He defends smaller than he is. He looks 6'6 when defending the rim.
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I don't do this every year.
In fact this is the first year since he was drafted that I expect Nards to see the court for his play.
Rather than expectations of his draft position.

People can irrationally hate on Nards and believe he never impacts the game in a positive way.
Frankly that was true until last year.(here we go someone, not Torey. Is going to bring up numbers again. While at the same time having the stance that the numbers were too small of a sample size)
But at the end of the day that's not me.
When he plays well I say so, when he plays like shit. I say so.
Look at the game threads.

oldmangrouch said:
How is it "irrational" to dislike a player who is grossly over-paid, frequently clueless, and has a learning curve that is close to flat?
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That's not the irrational hatred I'm talking about.
I suspect you know this as well, therefore I won't take the time to explain.
 
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Each year, the Great Leonard rises out of the fan base that he thinks is the most sincere.

He's gotta pick this one. He's got to.

I don't see how a fan base can be more sincere than this one.

You can look around and there's not a sign of hypocrisy.

Nothing but sincerity as far as the eye can see.
 
H.C. said:
I don't do this every year.
In fact this is the first year since he was drafted that I expect Nards to see the court for his play.
Rather than expectations of his draft position.

People can irrationally hate on Nards and believe he never impacts the game in a positive way.
Frankly that was true until last year.(here we go someone, not Torey. Is going to bring up numbers again. While at the same time having the stance that the numbers were too small of a sample size)
But at the end of the day that's not me.
When he plays well I say so, when he plays like shit. I say so.
Look at the game threads.



That's not the irrational hatred I'm talking about.
I suspect you know this as well, therefore I won't take the time to explain.
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I'm not irrationally hating... That's a strawman term here. Some might, not me.
 
oldmangrouch said:
BTW, since the Oden-over-KD debacle, I am a firm believer in evaluating big men with the 6" rule. In other words, if this guy was 6'6" instead of 7' would he still be a basketball player?

In Leonard's case, I think the answer is pretty obvious.
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Yes, I think he'd actually be better as a 6'6" player. Its his long body that tends to get in his way. He'd still be athletic and a good shooter at the 6'6" height.
 
KingSpeed said:
Yes, I think he'd actually be better as a 6'6" player. Its his long body that tends to get in his way. He'd still be athletic and a good shooter at the 6'6" height.
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I don't think you understand what athletic means for an NBA player.
 
I've said over and over that I don't believe in Per36 and I don't BUT for those that do, note that Meyers averaged 1.1 blocks per36 during his rookie year.
 
KingSpeed said:
I've said over and over that I don't believe in Per36 and I don't BUT for those that do, note that Meyers averaged 1.1 blocks per36 during his rookie year.
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Did he even play thirty-six minutes?
 
KingSpeed said:
I've said over and over that I don't believe in Per36 and I don't BUT for those that do, note that Meyers averaged 1.1 blocks per36 during his rookie year.
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Per36 is helpful to break stuff down on a minute per minute basis and can be used as a solid gauge if including with the context of how many minutes the player actually played and whether they played primarily against starting or bench lineups.
 
SwissBlazer said:
Was hoping he was going on a loan to Real Madrid.
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Olshey told them, "The only trades I make, I pay you millions and take your garbage." Real Madrid suggested dumping Andrew Nicholson, Milovan Rakovic, Brendan Haywood, Mike Miller, and Anderson Varejao. Olshey said, "I already have their rights, not you!" so the trade broke down.
 
KingSpeed said:
jump high, run fast, conditioning
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Nope!
Being strong enough to jump high or run fast and being in condition to do it for long periods of time do not spell "Athletic".
I understand your perspective but some of the most athletic people i have come across are the ones that just have a certain knack for moving in ways others just can't. It's hard to explain but when you see it you know. I come across it all the time in my line of work. He might be big. He might be strong. But he can't move on the Iron. I feel the exact same is true about Basketball. Athletic ability is more about agility and hand/eye coordination with the ability to think fast.
 
BonesJones said:
Per36 is helpful to break stuff down on a minute per minute basis and can be used as a solid gauge if including with the context of how many minutes the player actually played and whether they played primarily against starting or bench lineups.
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This is where it gets skewed.
 
kjironman1 said:
Nope!
Being strong enough to jump high or run fast and being in condition to do it for long periods of time do not spell "Athletic".
I understand your perspective but some of the most athletic people i have come across are the ones that just have a certain knack for moving in ways others just can't. It's hard to explain but when you see it you know. I come across it all the time in my line of work. He might be big. He might be strong. But he can't move on the Iron. I feel the exact same is true about Basketball. Athletic ability is more about agility and hand/eye coordination with the ability to think fast.
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Athleticism isn't agility... agility is agility. Coordination is coordination. And athleticism is athleticism...
 
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Scalma said:
Agility is literally in the description of athleticism, but ok.
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I've always interpretted agility as the ability to move efficiently (which helps quickness), being able to move productively when in different types of body positions, being able to maintain balance, among other things. That's different than just pure acceleration.
 
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