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PDXKass said:
i think it will take a little time to see which players are not going to be picked up by other teams. basically i think we're looking for an insurance policy type center at this point.
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Oden? I'm pretty sure he's on some type of insurance policy.

I kid
 
Olshey is one of those Glenngary Glenn Ross types... Always Be Closing.
 
He has to add another big. Lopez and Leonard are it, with LA being able to play the position if need be. Lopez is a bit injury prone, and Meyers sucks ass defensively. if LA is forced to play the 5, and if the team is hell bent on mediocrity in the form of the 8th seed, than having Thomas Robinson start isn't the best option. They need either a vet 4 or 5
 
e_blazer said:
I mean now, after Olshey has restocked the roster with a supporting cast for Aldridge, after you've said in another thread that you could see this team winning 50 games with the current roster, WHAT IN HADES DO YOU WANT TO TRADE ALDRIDGE FOR?

;)
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It isn't a matter of want. What I want has no bearing on the matter whatsoever. The point that I, and a few others have pointed out is that we think Aldridge wants out. There seems to be some evidence that this is the case. We would rather trade him now, while he has his highest value, rather than wait a year and have teams think they have us over a barrel. I'm against holding onto him and letting him walk because I don't think cap space nets us a player of his caliber. I would rather trade him for a few players that at least have the chance to be as good as Aldridge.

And yes, I think Olshey built the team to win. That should always be the goal of a GM. Tanking is risky. It hasn't worked out in the past for a number of teams that went full tank mode. There's no guarantee that you'll get the #1 pick if you have the worst record. I think Olshey plans to build the team to win, and then if a trade for Aldridge comes along that makes sense, so be it.

I really wouldn't be surprised if it was a deal to GS. The deal makes quite a bit of sense for both teams, but that doesn't mean there aren't other deals that could be made. If it was Aldridge for Lee/Barnes/Thompson, which might be wishful thinking on our part, but it would still keep us in contention while also building for the future. That's the kind of deal I think Neil wants. If we acquired Barnes, we could turn around and move Batum for a better center prospect.

Aldridge/Matthews for Lee/Barnes/Thompson.

Add Batum to the TRob deal. Batum for Asik/TRob.

Lillard/CJ/Watson
Thompson/Crabbe/Barton
Barnes/Wright
Lee/Robinson/Claver
Asik/Lopez/Leonard

That team is still a playoff team next year, but has a ton of youth and promise for the future.... just my two cents.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It isn't a matter of want. What I want has no bearing on the matter whatsoever. The point that I, and a few others have pointed out is that we think Aldridge wants out. There seems to be some evidence that this is the case. We would rather trade him now, while he has his highest value, rather than wait a year and have teams think they have us over a barrel. I'm against holding onto him and letting him walk because I don't think cap space nets us a player of his caliber. I would rather trade him for a few players that at least have the chance to be as good as Aldridge.

And yes, I think Olshey built the team to win. That should always be the goal of a GM. Tanking is risky. It hasn't worked out in the past for a number of teams that went full tank mode. There's no guarantee that you'll get the #1 pick if you have the worst record. I think Olshey plans to build the team to win, and then if a trade for Aldridge comes along that makes sense, so be it.

I really wouldn't be surprised if it was a deal to GS. The deal makes quite a bit of sense for both teams, but that doesn't mean there aren't other deals that could be made. If it was Aldridge for Lee/Barnes/Thompson, which might be wishful thinking on our part, but it would still keep us in contention while also building for the future. That's the kind of deal I think Neil wants. If we acquired Barnes, we could turn around and move Batum for a better center prospect.

Aldridge/Matthews for Lee/Barnes/Thompson.

Add Batum to the TRob deal. Batum for Asik/TRob.

Lillard/CJ/Watson
Thompson/Crabbe/Barton
Barnes/Wright
Lee/Robinson/Claver
Asik/Lopez/Leonard

That team is still a playoff team next year, but has a ton of youth and promise for the future.... just my two cents.
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Or the rumors aren't true and if we make the playoffs; he extends his contract.

Since both of us are shooting from the hip; I like my idea better.
 
hes almost there, just needs to cross the x's and dot the lower case j's

either that or a crazy trade
 
magnifier661 said:
Or the rumors aren't true and if we make the playoffs; he extends his contract.

Since both of us are shooting from the hip; I like my idea better.
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How exactly am I shooting from the hip? I didn't make this shit up form thin air. There have been rumblings from multiple sources that Aldridge wants out. It's not just some article from bleacher report or something like that. Even Rice and Tone said they think he's gone.

The smoke is there Mags... you're just not paying attention to the fire alarm that's going off.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How exactly am I shooting from the hip? I didn't make this shit up form thin air. There have been rumblings from multiple sources that Aldridge wants out. It's not just some article from bleacher report or something like that. Even Rice and Tone said they think he's gone.

The smoke is there Mags... you're just not paying attention to the fire alarm that's going off.
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Have you heard it straight from Aldridge's mouth? Kobe publicly said he wanted to be traded; yet here he is in Los Angeles. If you win; all opinions change. I think Olshey is thinking in this regard.

So, I say you are firing from the hip because this was from one article. When more articles come out and maybe more "evidence"; then maybe you can say you are aiming in. Until then, you are firing from the hip.
 
magnifier661 said:
Have you heard it straight from Aldridge's mouth? Kobe publicly said he wanted to be traded; yet here he is in Los Angeles. If you win; all opinions change. I think Olshey is thinking in this regard.

So, I say you are firing from the hip because this was from one article. When more articles come out and maybe more "evidence"; then maybe you can say you are aiming in. Until then, you are firing from the hip.
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One article? So you completely discount all the rumors of Aldridge being available? The one from Haynes, the one from Bucher, the one from Quick, etc?

Haven't you been saying that Aldridge is a classy player? Why would he come out and publicly demand a trade? You realize that hurts the team, right? Hurts his value, hurts his reputation, hurts our chances of getting a good deal for him. Is it so implausible that he went to Neil and said he'd like to be traded, but that he respects the organization and wants them to get a good deal?
 
Natebishop3 said:
One article? So you completely discount all the rumors of Aldridge being available? The one from Haynes, the one from Bucher, the one from Quick, etc?

Haven't you been saying that Aldridge is a classy player? Why would he come out and publicly demand a trade? You realize that hurts the team, right? Hurts his value, hurts his reputation, hurts our chances of getting a good deal for him. Is it so implausible that he went to Neil and said he'd like to be traded, but that he respects the organization and wants them to get a good deal?
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Yeah because they all stem from one article by Quick.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No. Most of the trade rumors broke before the quick article.
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Well you can live by the "Sky is falling" concept with Aldridge, and I can live by the "We got a stud that loves this team" concept. I doubt Olshey will trade Aldridge this Summer.
 
Speculation is fun. It's a lot of what we do here.

There is speculation and rumor that LaMarcus has 'quietly' indicated he would like to be traded. He has publicly said he wants the team to add a big 'rim protector' type center -- not necessarilly a starter, but someone who can come in for 20 minutes a game as needed, or something to that affect.

Here's how we'll know what Aldridge wants: If he is traded in the next year, that means he asked to be traded. Otherwise, the team would not likely trade him. If he's not traded in the next year, then either he never wanted to be or he changed his mind.

As a strategy, if he does want out, then the Blazers should be looking and negotiating hard to both do it and get the best possible return. And the sooner the better. I thought the Cleveland speculation and the GS speculation were both pretty close to fair.

I guess I have little to say other than "we'll see".

In the meantime, it gives us one more thing to debate! Yeah!

:cheers:

P.S.: I think he asked to be traded.
 
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BBert said:
Speculation is fun. It's a lot of what we do here.

There is speculation and rumor that LaMarcus has 'quietly' indicated he would like to be traded. He has publicly said he wants the team to add a big 'rim protector' type center -- not necessarilly a starter, but someone who can come in for 20 minutes a game as needed, or something to that affect.

Here's how we'll know what Aldridge wants: If he is traded in the next year, that means he asked to be traded. Otherwise, the team would not likely trade him. If he's not traded in the next year, then either he never wanted to be or he changed his mind.

As a strategy, if he does want out, then the Blazers should be looking and negotiating hard to both do it and get the best possible return. And the sooner the better. I thought the Cleveland speculation and the GS speculation were both pretty close to fair.

I guess I have little to say other than "we'll see".

In the meantime, it gives us one more thing to debate! Yeah!

:cheers:

P.S.: I think he asked to be traded.
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Repped. Well said.

Edited - apparently I need to spread reputation around before repping Bbert again :grin:
 
Could be both sides of this trade/no trade L.A. discussion are close to the truth. It may very well have been Aldridge telling Olshey to get him some help for rim protection and for the bench or trade me if it's a full rebuild. Haven't heard much of anything about a trade of L.A. since the flurry of acquisitions.
 
Mote said:
Could be both sides of this trade/no trade L.A. discussion are close to the truth. It may very well have been Aldridge telling Olshey to get him some help for rim protection and for the bench or trade me if it's a full rebuild. Haven't heard much of anything about a trade of L.A. since the flurry of acquisitions.
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Nobody knows for sure what is going on behind the scenes, but there is enough evidence to assume that trading Aldridge has been explored. I am certain that Olshey isn't going to just give Aldridge away for nothing, regardless of what Aldridge wants. I believe that Aldridge quietly went to Neil when he was frustrated and said that he would probably rather be traded than go through another rebuild. Olshey looked into trading him, didn't like what he saw, and shelved it for the time being. Now, I'm not saying that Mags is wrong. We might rip shit up next season and Aldridge changes his mind. That's not outside the realm of possibility. Guys like Aldridge can't really afford to leave a ton of money on the table like Howard can. If we get to the playoffs and get out of the first round, I think Aldridge could be convinced to stay. I don't think that's impossible. I also think there's a chance that Aldridge wants a change of scenery, wants to be closer to home, and will move to Dallas in two years regardless. It might mean more to him to be closer to home, than the extra money to stay here.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Nobody knows for sure what is going on behind the scenes, but there is enough evidence to assume that trading Aldridge has been explored. I am certain that Olshey isn't going to just give Aldridge away for nothing, regardless of what Aldridge wants. I believe that Aldridge quietly went to Neil when he was frustrated and said that he would probably rather be traded than go through another rebuild. Olshey looked into trading him, didn't like what he saw, and shelved it for the time being. Now, I'm not saying that Mags is wrong. We might rip shit up next season and Aldridge changes his mind. That's not outside the realm of possibility. Guys like Aldridge can't really afford to leave a ton of money on the table like Howard can. If we get to the playoffs and get out of the first round, I think Aldridge could be convinced to stay. I don't think that's impossible. I also think there's a chance that Aldridge wants a change of scenery, wants to be closer to home, and will move to Dallas in two years regardless. It might mean more to him to be closer to home, than the extra money to stay here.
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That's how I see it also. The problem I'm having is finding a team close to home for L.A. who has anything of value to the Blazers (and I mean any piece they are willing to part with) that doesn't leave their own cupboards bare. More than likely the trade would have to include a third team and that's when it gets a little tricky.
 
Mote said:
That's how I see it also. The problem I'm having is finding a team close to home for L.A. who has anything of value to the Blazers (and I mean any piece they are willing to part with) that doesn't leave their own cupboards bare. More than likely the trade would have to include a third team and that's when it gets a little tricky.
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I don't think we accommodate him in that regard. I think we take the best deal we can find and let his new team sort it out when he becomes a free agent. I'm sure LA wouldn't have traded for Dwight Howard if they thought he'd leave in one year.
 
I like all the moves a lot, but I don't expect a bunch of rookies to become a well established bench right away. Maybe not even this season.

Look at the season Lillard had last year, and it didn't translate to even playoffs.

There's a difference between able to contribute right away and forced to contribute right away.

This isn't a knock on the team that's been put together. It's a very nice investment for seasons to come. I wouldn't get down on the guys right away.
 
If we have the roster space, I hope Olshey brings back Elliot Williams.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
If we have the roster space, I hope Olshey brings back Elliot Williams.
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I was talking to the doctors here at the hospital saying the one thing Portland needs more than anything else is a 9th wing player
 
If Aldridge wants out why wouldn't he say it? Its better to lower his trade value so the team he goes to can keep more of their good players.
 
Draco said:
If Aldridge wants out why wouldn't he say it? Its better to lower his trade value so the team he goes to can keep more of their good players.
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He doesn't want out. Olshey has done nothing to support that with trades.
 
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