Is Olshey's seat getting warmer?

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What Neil did this offseason, was like going out car shopping with $150,000, and going out and spending it all on a Toyota Corolla. In that scenario, you had better come home with a Corolla and $130,000. Crabbe, Turner, and Leonard are not doing anything for us that we couldn't get from guys making 1/5th the salary. He brought us to the luxury tax threshold for nothing.

I think tonight's game was further proof that this is a two man show. Damian and CJ have to light it up one on one for the Blazers to barely beat a mediocre team at home.

Neil can't be blamed for not landing players, but look at how he tried to massively overpay Hawes and Hibbert. And the cash/production ratio from this off-seasons signings has been nothing but abysmal. Harkless is the only saving grace, and he was like an after-thought.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
Two man show?? Say what?

Signed,
Maurice Harkless
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Harkless is my 3rd favorite player on the team. I mentioned him as being the saving grace, but the Blazers are still a two man show. CJ or Dame have to dominate for Portland to barely win.
 
Sinobas said:
What Neil did this offseason, was like going out car shopping with $150,000, and going out and spending it all on a Toyota Corolla. In that scenario, you had better come home with a Corolla and $130,000. Crabbe, Turner, and Leonard are not doing anything for us that we couldn't get from guys making 1/5th the salary. He brought us to the luxury tax threshold for nothing.

I think tonight's game was further proof that this is a two man show. Damian and CJ have to light it up one on one for the Blazers to barely beat a mediocre team at home.

Neil can't be blamed for not landing players, but look at how he tried to massively overpay Hawes and Hibbert. And the cash/production ratio from this off-seasons signings has been nothing but abysmal. Harkless is the only saving grace, and he was like an after-thought.
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Two man show...... what does that make harkless?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Two man show...... what does that make harkless?
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Harkless is just part of the scenery.

Truth is, you pretty much take any teams top 3-12 players and replace them with our 3-12 and we wouldn't fare any worse.
 
Sinobas said:
Whenever Dame has left the court, the Blazers get murdered...the only exception to that is when CJ is killing it one on one.
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We get murdered because we put the ball in Turner's hands and he turns it over. We really should explore trades that unload Turner. It's just not the right fit. He did well in Boston. Send him back.
 
Small sample size but here is Turner's +/- per game on the year

-17
-1
-7
+3
-36
-10
-11
+10

Total: -127 for an average of -16 per game.

This is the worst on the team by far. Crabbe is second worse which makes sense to me. The Crabbe/Turner wing combination sounds good in theory but it's been dreadful in practice.
 
Sinobas said:
What Neil did this offseason, was like going out car shopping with $150,000, and going out and spending it all on a Toyota Corolla. In that scenario, you had better come home with a Corolla and $130,000. Crabbe, Turner, and Leonard are not doing anything for us that we couldn't get from guys making 1/5th the salary. He brought us to the luxury tax threshold for nothing.

I think tonight's game was further proof that this is a two man show. Damian and CJ have to light it up one on one for the Blazers to barely beat a mediocre team at home.

Neil can't be blamed for not landing players, but look at how he tried to massively overpay Hawes and Hibbert. And the cash/production ratio from this off-seasons signings has been nothing but abysmal. Harkless is the only saving grace, and he was like an after-thought.
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I never liked the Evan Turner signing. I was peeved when he locked up that large sum money to him just to say he signed someone. There are questions now on whether or not he fits in. I never felt he did. I think Neil sometimes does things to save face. I think he's been a failure in a lot of ways and have felt that way for a several seasons. He still has yet to prove that he can structure a deal with a player or group of players and bring in something via trade that really helps. People like John Canzano thinks he has the pieces to do that. I kinda think other teams will consider those pieces overpaid and take up too much space on the cap and therefore will be disinterested in anything we have to offer. I think Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, Alan Crabbe and Maurice Harkless and perhaps even Aminu are way, way overpaid.
 
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Every year in sports, the GM from at least one team fumbles in FA and cracks under the pressure to "sign someone" and ends up dealing out a ridiculous contract. But this year, Olshey has given 3 of them. And he has no excuse with Crabbe and Leonard because he knew well what they were. Leonard is like a a 7 foot volleyball player that learned how to shoot in his driveway. He's not even good enough to be in our rotation. Crabbe is an average backup. And Turner ugh. No one will take this contracts. I bet the Nets would not even take Crabbe if we packaged him with a draft pick, because GMs have woken up from their drunken offseason stupor.
 
B-Roy said:
Small sample size but here is Turner's +/- per game on the year

-17
-1
-7
+3
-36
-10
-11
+10

Total: -127 for an average of -16 per game.

This is the worst on the team by far. Crabbe is second worse which makes sense to me. The Crabbe/Turner wing combination sounds good in theory but it's been dreadful in practice.
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-16 playing backup minutes. That's an indictment not only of him, but of my point to how poorly the team performs when Damian is off the court. If our bench could at least hold their own, we'd probably be 7-1.
 
dviss1 said:
Record shmecord. It's about his signings. Not sure why we kept Leonard let alone at that price.
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At the start of last season, Leonard passed up $40M. Then he was handed the starting PF position, not C, tailored to his lack of normal 7 foot 2 skill. Then he immediately failed, forcing Stotts to start the near-rookie Vonleh. All season long as his worth dropped, posters laughed at Leonard, saying, bye bye! His fans said, well this is good. Now we'll re-sign him for a lot less. First thing in the summer, Olshey pays Leonard $41M, a number Olshey picked to prove to us that Leonard had made the right move in passing up $40M, and that Olshey never deserts his own picks.

Fuckin' Olshey. Reminds me of when Pritchard gave Roy $80M without negotiating him down. So eager to hand out free money just because he's "supposed" to spend it that summer.
 
Extending all our guys seems like asset accumulation really. Keeping money would have not done us any good because it would be gone next year anyway with CJ's extension, and this way we might have some good assets to do a big trade, which will IMO be something Olshey will look at heavily during the next two months. We cannot land a big free agent, as evidenced by last Summer when we were not even in proper contention for Howard or Whiteside, but we can land a big player through trade if we have enough arguments.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
I never liked the Evan Turner signing. I was peeved when he locked up that large sum money to him just to say he signed someone. There are questions now on whether or not he fits in. I never felt he did. I think Neil sometimes does things to save face. I think he's been a failure in a lot of ways and have felt that way for a several seasons. He still has yet to prove that he can structure a deal with a player or group of players and bring in something via trade that really helps. People like John Canzano thinks he has the pieces to do that. I kinda think other teams will consider those pieces overpaid and take up too much space on the cap and therefore will be disinterested in anything we have to offer. I think Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, Alan Crabbe and Maurice Harkless and perhaps even Aminu are way, way overpaid.
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I don't think out that group Harkless is not over paid he been stepping up and he the one that call the team out and then has back it up.
 
What's weird to me is that the bench guys aren't even attempting shots.

Turner 1-3

Crabbe 2-6

Vonleh somehow got up 8 shots in 15 minutes.

In the game before that, Turner went 0-0 and Crabbe attempted 4 shots. And in the game before that, Turner went 1-8 and Crabbe went 2-9. So we're winning, but our bench guys aren't even trying to shoot anymore.
 
Trackjack said:
I don't think out that group Harkless is not over paid he been stepping up and he the one that call the team out and then has back it up.
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Harkless at $10M is a very good deal, people forget he is only 23 and has large upside. He has been shooting the ball better this season and had some very good appearances, last night included. I like him a lot and hope he will be a permanent fixture in small forward role for years to come.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What's weird to me is that the bench guys aren't even attempting shots.

Turner 1-3

Crabbe 2-6

Vonleh somehow got up 8 shots in 15 minutes.

In the game before that, Turner went 0-0 and Crabbe attempted 4 shots. And in the game before that, Turner went 1-8 and Crabbe went 2-9. So we're winning, but our bench guys aren't even trying to shoot anymore.
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Turner is a poor shooter so I don't mind it that much, Crabbe however has been very disapponting. Utah game aside, has he been good in any of the games so far?
 
Why would his seat be getting warm? We've got off to a much better start than last year and his options during the offseason were limited. No one wants come here in Free Agency. Layman was looking like a good deep draft pick, the Batum trade is looking better and better with the emergence of Vonleh. We have plenty of assets to make a trade come deadline time or sooner.
 
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