Funny Is Portland really a liberal cesspool?

[Orion Bailey]

This is utter bullshit. Where do you conservatives get this shit from??

It's just like y'all think conservatives are fiscally sound...

I was playing devils advocate for those who say all republicans are racist. Or if you voted forctrump tou are racist.

Same thing, just reverse.

But the key, is if im being serius, is socialists. Not libs. Socialists are thecones that want everything handed to them.

 

[dviss1]

And yet, poor conservatives are not being bribed with alcohol and cigarettes to fraudulently push ballot measures or voter registration...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna938716

Bribed.... That's just stupid.

Right.

The conservatives that run their districts are constantly voting against things that would help them.

 

[dviss1]

But the key, is if im being serius, is socialists. Not libs. Socialists are thecones that want everything handed to them.

Serious question:

Do you know any socialists?

Do you talk to them regularly about their wants and needs?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Serious question:

Do you know any socialists?

Do you talk to them regularly about their wants and needs?

Google and the internet are my best friend.

But its the basic definition of socialism i dont agree with because it enables laziness and lack of responsibility.
Im all for helping those who arent able to help them selves but there is s fine line between wont and cant. Many who wont, say they cant when they can. So instead they want someone else to do things for them.

Im against universal health care, as we have discussed my reasons in the past. Im also against the current welfare system.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Serious question:

Do you know any socialists?

Do you talk to them regularly about their wants and needs?

Seriously though the definition of liberalism has almost taken a 180* turn since the days of Lincoln.

 

[dviss1]

Google and the internet are my best friend.

But its the basic definition of socialism i dont agree with because it enables laziness and lack of responsibility.

You've accepted neo conservative definition and are completely wrong.

The military it the most socialist entity on the planet.

The military will pay my back child support....

You don't know what socialism is.

I'm a socialist OB.

Most months during basketball season I work 7 days a week.

So since I want a social floor I'm lazy?

If you want to know what socialists want, you should take the time and speak to some instead of telling them and being wrong about it.

 

[dviss1]

Seriously though the definition of liberalism has almost taken a 180* turn since the days of Lincoln.

Are the people of:

Norway
Iceland
Sweden
Finland
Denmark

Lazy?

 

[dviss1]

Seriously though the definition of liberalism has almost taken a 180* turn since the days of Lincoln.

Frankly, I don't think you know the definition. And I'm not trying to be rude.

It's amazing to me how conservatives act like they know what people want when they don't ever talk to them...

Stop googling shit and find some friends that don't share the same political view as you.

 

[BrianFromWA]

You've accepted neo conservative definition and are completely wrong.
The military it the most socialist entity on the planet.

No snark, if you could expound on this a bit I'd be fascinated. I couldn't disagree more, but since I don't think you're an idiot, I'm wondering where you're coming from.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You've accepted neo conservative definition and are completely wrong.

The military it the most socialist entity on the planet.

The military will pay my back child support....

You don't know what socialism is.

I'm a socialist OB.

Most months during basketball season I work 7 days a week.

So since I want a social floor I'm lazy?

If you want to know what socialists want, you should take the time and speak to some instead of telling them and being wrong about it.

I said i was playing devils advocate on that. There are hard working people on all spectrums of life.
universal anything i dont agree with and i never said i agree with our current military stance either.

Universal anything leaves no room for individual circumstance. It enables those who want to be lazy and forces those who are more independant to help support those that aren't.

There is a definition for socialism. Why do i need one persons view to understand the definition and type of government it entails when i can read up on it and get the true definition without any personal influence from an individual?
There is more than one type of conservative and there is more than one type of socialist for sure, but the definition of each still has the foundation the parties were comstructed upon.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Frankly, I don't think you know the definition. And I'm not trying to be rude.

It's amazing to me how conservatives act like they know what people want when they don't ever talk to them...

Stop googling shit and find some friends that don't share the same political view as you.

Wtf D. You know discussing something with any one person only will only give you thier view of things, not necessarilly a party line view.

The definition of socialism has been a mainstay since marxism. Not sure why i would have to discuss it with you in order to know what a socialist goernment is for and wants.

Not that im opposed to discussing at all, and would love to sit down with a smoke and drink and discuss/debate with you, but your inisistance that one cant know unless one discusses it is literally hilarious. The info is out there man.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Bribed.... That's just stupid.

They were recompensed something of value to sign a petition that they had not elected to sign previously. LAPD called it a bribe. The DA called it a bribe. People were arrested for bribery. What do you call it? A "political rebate"? A "helping hand for doing your Democratic duty?"
https://ktla.com/2018/11/20/signatu...le-in-large-scale-voter-fraud-scheme-da-says/

The offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.

The conservatives that run their districts are constantly voting against things that would help them.

That was in LA. The Mayor of LA is a Democrat. As were the last 2, going back to 2001.
14 of 15 members of the LA City Council are Democrats.
LA County holds 18 seats/districts in the U.S. House of Representatives. All are Democrats.
California's Senators (Feinstein and Harris) are both Democrats, as is their governor (Newsom) and their previous governor (Brown).

People were arrested for bribing people to commit voter fraud. The only people voting for things that involve them are Democrats. There are literally NO conservatives running any of the Districts in the entire area around where the bribery happened. So, I guess I'm asking, what are you trying to say and does this evidence help change your mind?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Are the people of:

Norway
Iceland
Sweden
Finland
Denmark

Lazy?

That would be one stance considering they dont really pay for thier military defense.
But me? No. Not everyone in those countries are lazy.
But are they independant? No.
Does allowing that help to enable laziness or the lack of a neccessity to work harder for your safety? Very possible.

 

[dviss1]

They were recompensed something of value to sign a petition that they had not elected to sign previously. LAPD called it a bribe. The DA called it a bribe. People were arrested for bribery. What do you call it? A "political rebate"? A "helping hand for doing your Democratic duty?"
https://ktla.com/2018/11/20/signatu...le-in-large-scale-voter-fraud-scheme-da-says/



That was in LA. The Mayor of LA is a Democrat. As were the last 2, going back to 2001.
14 of 15 members of the LA City Council are Democrats.
LA County holds 18 seats/districts in the U.S. House of Representatives. All are Democrats.
California's Senators (Feinstein and Harris) are both Democrats, as is their governor (Newsom) and their previous governor (Brown).

People were arrested for bribing people to commit voter fraud. The only people voting for things that involve them are Democrats. There are literally NO conservatives running any of the Districts in the entire area around where the bribery happened. So, I guess I'm asking, what are you trying to say and does this evidence help change your mind?

Republicans need to stop with the voter fraud fraud.

They should focus on their election fraud in North Carolina and their conspiracy to win the presidency.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Republicans need to stop with the voter fraud fraud.

They should focus on their election fraud in North Carolina and their conspiracy to win the presidency.

Isnt that like democrats need to stop with the racism racism?
They should focus on the reverse racism within thier own party?

Again. Not all republicans are the same.

 

[dviss1]

No snark, if you could expound on this a bit I'd be fascinated. I couldn't disagree more, but since I don't think you're an idiot, I'm wondering where you're coming from.

Payment comes from our tax dollars. The VA literally has government doctors.

According to Merriam Webster, Socialism is "a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies".
This says nothing about economic vs political agendas. All it means is that services owned and controlled by the government are socialist. End of story. The military is owned by the government.

Now I don't necessarily subscribe to Merriam Webster but I digress...

 

[dviss1]

Isnt that like democrats need to stop with the racism racism?
They should focus on the reverse racism within thier own party?

Again. Not all republicans are the same.

Dude really???

Who are literally the ONLY people complaining about Voter fraud?

Make sense, then post.

 

[dviss1]

Not all Republicans complain about voter fraud, but the ONLY people complaining about voter fraud are Republican.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Republicans need to stop with the voter fraud fraud.

They should focus on their election fraud in North Carolina and their conspiracy to win the presidency.

The LA district attorney's office is not a bastion of Republicanism.
I'm down for focusing on all voter fraud. It seems that many in here are not. I recall a post saying something like "stop focusing on voter fraud because only 36 out of a billion in the last 20 years have been fraudulent", or somesuch. I think we've seen that that is a truckload of B.S. perpetuated by the media. I don't blame people for believing it. I don't even care to remind people of it. I care to ensure that, once the information refuting the confirmation bias is given, that it becomes hard to continue arguing using a false premise. Like in this particular case. Which part of the proof of the bribery in a Democratic-controlled area doesn't refute your original points that a) it wasn't bribery and b) it was 'cuz 'publican?

 

[dviss1]

They were recompensed something of value to sign a petition that they had not elected to sign previously. LAPD called it a bribe. The DA called it a bribe. People were arrested for bribery. What do you call it? A "political rebate"? A "helping hand for doing your Democratic duty?"
https://ktla.com/2018/11/20/signatu...le-in-large-scale-voter-fraud-scheme-da-says/



That was in LA. The Mayor of LA is a Democrat. As were the last 2, going back to 2001.
14 of 15 members of the LA City Council are Democrats.
LA County holds 18 seats/districts in the U.S. House of Representatives. All are Democrats.
California's Senators (Feinstein and Harris) are both Democrats, as is their governor (Newsom) and their previous governor (Brown).

People were arrested for bribing people to commit voter fraud. The only people voting for things that involve them are Democrats. There are literally NO conservatives running any of the Districts in the entire area around where the bribery happened. So, I guess I'm asking, what are you trying to say and does this evidence help change your mind?

You got anything on NC? You know the ELECTION FRAUD....?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Not all Republicans complain about voter fraud, but the ONLY people complaining about voter fraud are Republican.

Exactly. And that's not only a huge red flag, but part of the problem.
Imagine "not all black people complain about crooked cops, but the ONLY people complaining about crooked cops are black people" being used to as proof that there isn't a problem.

 

[dviss1]

The LA district attorney's office is not a bastion of Republicanism.
I'm down for focusing on all voter fraud. It seems that many in here are not. I recall a post saying something like "stop focusing on voter fraud because only 36 out of a billion in the last 20 years have been fraudulent", or somesuch. I think we've seen that that is a truckload of B.S. perpetuated by the media. I don't blame people for believing it. I don't even care to remind people of it. I care to ensure that, once the information refuting the confirmation bias is given, that it becomes hard to continue arguing using a false premise. Like in this particular case. Which part of the proof of the bribery in a Democratic-controlled area doesn't refute your original points that a) it wasn't bribery and b) it was 'cuz 'publican?

It doesn't exist.

Everyone should get to vote. Republicans ONLY WIN when they restrict voting.

Plain and simple.

And all of this bullshit has been debunked...


Donald Trump's Pants on Fire claim of 'large scale voter fraud'

So I'm SICK of hearing about this shit when its REPUBLICANS that are actually committing ELECTION fraud....

 

[Orion Bailey]

Dude really???

Who are literally the ONLY people complaining about Voter fraud?

Make sense, then post.

To those not wanting to generalize. It makes sense.
I know what you mean but that's because ive come to know you. But you do generalize a lot, causing yourself to be misunderstood. my opinion is generalizing makes things vague and confusing while debating.

You know my biggest setback while debating?

I regularly say “you” when i mean “anyone”. Not the person im talking to. Im soo often misunderstood because of that, but i can only blame myself for not being clear.

Does that make sense?

 

[dviss1]

Exactly. And that's not only a huge red flag, but part of the problem.
Imagine "not all black people complain about crooked cops, but the ONLY people complaining about crooked cops are black people" being used to as proof that there isn't a problem.

No, White folks are complaining about them too.

 

[dviss1]

Sometimes generalization is necessary.

Like, "Hey white people! Stop wearing black face!"

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sometimes generalization is necessary.

Like, "Hey white people! Stop wearing black face!"

I 100% disagree.

Hey black people. Quit killing each other aNd blaming your racial setback on others.

Doesnt work so well on the other side of the fence does it?

 

[BrianFromWA]

You got anything on NC? You know the ELECTION FRAUD....?

Sorry, I missed the NC election fraud thread. I was responding to your posts in this thread about liberal cesspools and your presumption that they're due to republican policies, and that bribery doesn't occur to ensure that those policies are continued and expanded. That's all.

I think that you can go back across my post history and find everything your heart desires about my disdain for illegal immigrants voting, disdain for policies in liberal states for expanded and relaxed voter ID registrations, for requirements to prove identity at the booths, for harsh punishments for those who restrict voting, for harsh punishments for those who vote illegally or abed it happening, and for Americans to hold tightly to the one thing that they still control over the government that is increasingly controlling them.

 

[dviss1]

I 100% disagree.

Hey black people. Quit killing each other aNd blaming your racial setback on others.

Doesnt work so well on the other side of the fence does it?

False equivalence.

One is disparaging a sect of people who want to do shit like this:

The other is telling another sect of people how to better manage themselves while NOT looking in the FUCKING mirror.

Yes, white people kill each other at an 84% clip but you never hear about White on white crime.

 

[dviss1]

Sorry, I missed the NC election fraud thread. I was responding to your posts in this thread about liberal cesspools and your presumption that they're due to republican policies, and that bribery doesn't occur to ensure that those policies are continued and expanded. That's all.

I think that you can go back across my post history and find everything your heart desires about my disdain for illegal immigrants voting, disdain for policies in liberal states for expanded and relaxed voter ID registrations, for requirements to prove identity at the booths, for harsh punishments for those who restrict voting, for harsh punishments for those who vote illegally or abed it happening, and for Americans to hold tightly to the one thing that they still control over the government that is increasingly controlling them.

Undocumented immigrants don't vote. And if you think they are, you've been sold a bill of goods.

 

[Orion Bailey]

False equivalence.

One is disparaging a sect of people who want to do shit like this:

The other is telling another sect of people how to better manage themselves while NOT looking in the FUCKING mirror.

Yes, White people kill each other at an 84% clip but you never hear about White on white crime.

And what percent of white folk do you think paint thier faces black in an attempt to mock or look like a black man? .001%

The only false pretence is thinking its okay to generalize one thing while not being able to on another.

Generalizing is always vague D. Regardless. To be best understood, it is best to avoid the ambiguety and be consice and direct and specific with your vocal intent.