Is Rick Santorum Electable?

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crandc said:
I don't know how many Obama supporters would go Ron Paul (and I'm an independent who did not vote for either). I mean, Paul has taken some very hard right stands, e.g., immorality caused the development of birth control, end social security, etc. Sure, he supports legalizing pot, but that's not really a deal maker for most voters. He seems libertarian for straight white males - I just don't see how a so called libertarian can insist on regulating private sex and reproductive matters. Even most libertarians disagree with him on that.

Santorum, wow - both he and Romney are their own worst enemies. Romney can't stop reminding everyone how rich he is. Santorum had a sizeable lead in Michigan a week ago. According to pollsters he lost big among women, because Republican women use birth control as much as any other women, and while all 4 remaining Republicans oppose contraception, only Santorum is making it the central issue in his campaign. Also, interestingly, although he's Catholic exit polls showed a majority of Catholics in Michigan voted for Romney; apparently the "Kennedy talking about church and state made me vomit" line lost him a lot of Republican Catholic votes. If Santorum can't win conservative Catholic Republicans, who can he win? The Teabaggers?

Or maybe Santorum was just the latest non Romney to rise and fall.
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That's a very good post.

I think at the end of the day Obama beats either Mit or Santorum.
 
Denny Crane said:
Bringing verity to the terms "change," and "change you can believe in."

Instead of partisan haters on one side or the other rejecting him as president, we'd see a radically different coalition of NEITHER parties supporting him.
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If Paul was elected President it would be because voters were completely fed up with both parties and he was the only alternative. Neither party's reps would support anything he attempted to change and he would accomplish absolutely nothing without their support.

That said, I may still vote for him simply because I've been offered no alternative candidate who believes in The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, he's not a warmonger nor empire builder, and he's seemingly the only honest candidate running.

The biggest mistake the Dems have made is rubberstamping Obama as the only option, despite many qualified candidates who could realistically have a better chance of winning. The party is completely denying their voters their right to elect their chosen representative.

Given a decent choice of candidates to vote for in primaries (the most important step in our "elective" process) I doubt Obama would win. Clinton would absolutely crush him if she ran, and I expect she will get many write-in votes in primaries.

As for Santorum and Romney, one's an obvious Neanderthal and the other is an obviously corrupt puppet for hire.

No Real American would consider either for a second.
 
Denny Crane said:
Actually he does. His foreign policy with Iran is part of the cause of higher prices. His foreign policy with OPEC nations, too. And the Fed printed $trillions to mask the true size of his spending, so the Arabs are demanding more dollars per barrel to make up for the devalued dollar.
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Nonsense.

Our "official" foreign policy with Iran has not changed significantly since the Carter administration (Reagan was exposed for illegally selling weapons to them on the condition they NOT release American hostages when Carter had them about to do so).

Not that Iran's oil has any significant effect on US gas prices anyway.

Iran produces about 5% of the world's oil, and consumes about 1/3 of that itself. Iranian oil exports represent about 3% of the world market.
 
MARIS61 said:
Nonsense.

Our "official" foreign policy with Iran has not changed significantly since the Carter administration (Reagan was exposed for illegally selling weapons to them on the condition they NOT release American hostages when Carter had them about to do so).

Not that Iran's oil has any significant effect on US gas prices anyway.

Iran produces about 5% of the world's oil, and consumes about 1/3 of that itself. Iranian oil exports represent about 3% of the world market.
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Nonsense.
 
MARIS61 said:
Nonsense.

My post was fact. Sorry if it rained on your charade parade.
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Your post is untrue and ignorant of the facts.

For example, it isn't so much what % of anyone's oil Iran produces, it's Iran's threat to block the Strait of Hormuz that has people worried about future access to oil.
 
Denny Crane said:
Your post is untrue and ignorant of the facts.

For example, it isn't so much what % of anyone's oil Iran produces, it's Iran's threat to block the Strait of Hormuz that has people worried about future access to oil.
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Nobody on Earth takes that empty talk seriously. They do not have the naval or military capability to block The Little Deschutes River, let alone the Strait of Hormuz. Even if the US ignored them Israel could sink Iran's entire navy in an afternoon.

Iran, like North Korea, has never been a player, they're a diversion used by politicians and fatcats to keep you scared.

It appears to be working quite well in your case.
 
Denny Crane said:
Actually he does. His foreign policy with Iran is part of the cause of higher prices. His foreign policy with OPEC nations, too. And the Fed printed $trillions to mask the true size of his spending, so the Arabs are demanding more dollars per barrel to make up for the devalued dollar.

If democrats are hopeful the economy is gaining steam, the higher gas prices are going to be a huge drag by election time.
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keep grasping at straws and rooting against America Denny... we're used to it

STOMP
 
MARIS61 said:
Nobody on Earth takes that empty talk seriously. They do not have the naval or military capability to block The Little Deschutes River, let alone the Strait of Hormuz. Even if the US ignored them Israel could sink Iran's entire navy in an afternoon.

Iran, like North Korea, has never been a player, they're a diversion used by politicians and fatcats to keep you scared.

It appears to be working quite well in your case.
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They do have the ability to sink ships that are in the gulf, and that would block it.

Even Hillary finds their threats "troubling."
 
STOMP said:
keep grasping at straws and rooting against America Denny... we're used to it

STOMP
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You made a bogus claim and were called on it. And this is the best you got?
 
Denny Crane said:
You made a bogus claim and were called on it. And this is the best you got?
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He told you the quite obvious truth and you denied it but failed to offer a rebuttal.

That the best you got?

You being a lawyer and all we expect you to present EVIDENCE once in awhile, or at least offer a stirring debate.

Maybe you better call in Alan Shore to save your ass.:dunno:
 
Denny Crane said:
They do have the ability to sink ships that are in the gulf, and that would block it.

Even Hillary finds their threats "troubling."
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Teenagers find acne "troubling".

Iran knows if they sink one ship either Israel or the US will completely destroy their entire navy. It ain't much but it's all they've got. Closing the strait would also cut off 80% of their income, at a time when sanctions have devalued their currency by 50%.

It's not practical for them, not profitable for them, and not something they will do.

And BTW, they have made no threat to do so.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/29/iran-what-is-it-thinking/
 
MARIS61 said:
Teenagers find acne "troubling".

Iran knows if they sink one ship either Israel or the US will completely destroy their entire navy. It ain't much but it's all they've got. Closing the strait would also cut off 80% of their income, at a time when sanctions have devalued their currency by 50%.

It's not practical for them, not profitable for them, and not something they will do.

And BTW, they have made no threat to do so.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/29/iran-what-is-it-thinking/
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Just wow.

From your own link:

Threats to close the strategic Strait of Hormuz are followed by refusals to allow U.N. nuclear inspectors access to certain sites in the country.
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The threats to close and mine the Strait of Hormuz, through which a high percentage of the world's oil supply passes through, were all bluster, Molavi said.
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I've never heard of this Molavi guy. I'm sure we should listen to him.

Don't stay on this site too long or you'll get more brain damaged:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/iran-strait-of-hormuz_n_1223414.html

The EU decision taken Monday in Brussels – following the U.S. lead to target Iran's critical oil exports – opened a new front against Iran's leadership. Pressure is bearing down on the clerical regime from many directions, including intense U.S. lobbying to urge Asian powers to shun Iranian crude, a nose-diving national currency and a recent slaying in what Iran calls a clandestine campaign against its nuclear establishment.

In response, Iranian officials have turned to one of their most powerful cards: The narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf and the route for a fifth of the world's oil. Iran has rattled world markets with repeated warnings it could block the hook-shaped waterway, which could spark a conflict in the Gulf.

(you wanted lawyerly proof)

Big difference between "they never made no threat to do so" (who learned you grammar?) and "repeated warnings it could block the hook-shaped waterway."
 
STOMP said:
desperation is a stinky cologne

Keep praying for that $12 a gallon gas 6 months from now

STOMP
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Maybe not $12, but they're talking of $6 soon enough.

Rising fuel costs hit the economy hard. Airfares are already increased. Shipping costs will go up. The cost of food in the supermarkets will increase as the cost of fuel to deliver to the stores is passed on. Not a good thing in a weak recovery when wages are stagnant.

Good luck wishing it all away.
 
STOMP said:
lol... so basically you're admitting you were full of shit. Situation normal

STOMP
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I'm the one laughing. There's a saying that when the facts aren't on your side, bang the table.

You're thumping it.
 
Denny Crane said:
Just wow.

From your own link:

Threats to close the strategic Strait of Hormuz are followed by refusals to allow U.N. nuclear inspectors access to certain sites in the country.
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The threats to close and mine the Strait of Hormuz, through which a high percentage of the world's oil supply passes through, were all bluster, Molavi said.
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I've never heard of this Molavi guy. I'm sure we should listen to him.

Don't stay on this site too long or you'll get more brain damaged:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/iran-strait-of-hormuz_n_1223414.html

The EU decision taken Monday in Brussels – following the U.S. lead to target Iran's critical oil exports – opened a new front against Iran's leadership. Pressure is bearing down on the clerical regime from many directions, including intense U.S. lobbying to urge Asian powers to shun Iranian crude, a nose-diving national currency and a recent slaying in what Iran calls a clandestine campaign against its nuclear establishment.

In response, Iranian officials have turned to one of their most powerful cards: The narrow Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Gulf and the route for a fifth of the world's oil. Iran has rattled world markets with repeated warnings it could block the hook-shaped waterway, which could spark a conflict in the Gulf.

(you wanted lawyerly proof)

Big difference between "they never made no threat to do so" (who learned you grammar?) and "repeated warnings it could block the hook-shaped waterway."
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Who taught you how to read? That's not what I wrote. Read it again.

I'm sure you accidently edited this out, an oversight but unintentional.

"When it comes to Iran, you always have to differentiate between what is bluster and what is real," Afshin Molavi, an Iran analyst with the New America Foundation, told CNN. The threats to close and mine the Strait of Hormuz, through which a high percentage of the world's oil supply passes through, were all bluster, Molavi said.

Iran has a lot to lose by closing the Strait. With 80% of their hard currency earnings, and most of their revenues coming from the oil trade, Iran would face severe economic repercussions through such an act.

Iranian external foreign policy is driven by the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The remark about closing the Strait was made by an Iranian vice president, of which Iran has many, to a local audience that was then picked up by news organizations around the world following a report by an Iranian news agency.

Molavi said the remark was likely made to pander to the vice president's immediate audience in Iran, "not realizing this is going to go viral and global very fast."

I'm surprised you don't know the author. Guess you don't ever read about the Middle East.

http://newamerica.net/user/117
 
MARIS61 said:
Teenagers find acne "troubling".

Iran knows if they sink one ship either Israel or the US will completely destroy their entire navy. It ain't much but it's all they've got. Closing the strait would also cut off 80% of their income, at a time when sanctions have devalued their currency by 50%.

It's not practical for them, not profitable for them, and not something they will do.

And BTW, they have made no threat to do so.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/29/iran-what-is-it-thinking/
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:lol:
 
MARIS61 said:
Who taught you how to read? That's not what I wrote. Read it again.

I'm sure you accidently edited this out, an oversight but unintentional.

"When it comes to Iran, you always have to differentiate between what is bluster and what is real," Afshin Molavi, an Iran analyst with the New America Foundation, told CNN. The threats to close and mine the Strait of Hormuz, through which a high percentage of the world's oil supply passes through, were all bluster, Molavi said.

Iran has a lot to lose by closing the Strait. With 80% of their hard currency earnings, and most of their revenues coming from the oil trade, Iran would face severe economic repercussions through such an act.

Iranian external foreign policy is driven by the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. The remark about closing the Strait was made by an Iranian vice president, of which Iran has many, to a local audience that was then picked up by news organizations around the world following a report by an Iranian news agency.

Molavi said the remark was likely made to pander to the vice president's immediate audience in Iran, "not realizing this is going to go viral and global very fast."

I'm surprised you don't know the author. Guess you don't ever read about the Middle East.

http://newamerica.net/user/117
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Your guy must not be up on the news. Iran has repeatedly threatened to to shut down the Strait of Hormuz.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/12/28/185028.html

Iran’s navy chief, meanwhile, said Tehran would find it “really easy” to close the world’s most important oil transit channel, the Strait of Hormuz at the Gulf’s entrance, but would not do so right now.

“Shutting the strait for Iran’s armed forces is really easy -- or as we say (in Iran) easier than drinking a glass of water,” Admiral Habibollah Sayari said in an interview with Iran’s Press TV.

“But today, we don’t need (to shut) the strait because we have the Sea of Oman under control, and can control the transit,” he said.

Sayari was speaking a day after Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi threatened to close the strait if the West imposed more sanctions on Iran, and as Iran's navy held war games in international waters to the east of the channel.

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But Sayari asserted that the Strait of Hormuz “is completely under the control of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” according to AFP.

He said Iran's navy was constituted with the aim of being able to close the strait if necessary.

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Iran has several times said it is ready to target the strait if it is attacked or economically strangled by Western sanctions over its nuclear program.

An Iranian lawmaker’s comments last week that the navy exercises would block the Strait of Hormuz briefly sent oil prices soaring before that was denied by the government.
 
Denny Crane said:
Your guy must not be up on the news. Iran has repeatedly threatened to to shut down the Strait of Hormuz.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/12/28/185028.html

Iran’s navy chief, meanwhile, said Tehran would find it “really easy” to close the world’s most important oil transit channel, the Strait of Hormuz at the Gulf’s entrance, but would not do so right now.

“Shutting the strait for Iran’s armed forces is really easy -- or as we say (in Iran) easier than drinking a glass of water,” Admiral Habibollah Sayari said in an interview with Iran’s Press TV.

“But today, we don’t need (to shut) the strait because we have the Sea of Oman under control, and can control the transit,” he said.

Sayari was speaking a day after Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi threatened to close the strait if the West imposed more sanctions on Iran, and as Iran's navy held war games in international waters to the east of the channel.

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But Sayari asserted that the Strait of Hormuz “is completely under the control of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” according to AFP.

He said Iran's navy was constituted with the aim of being able to close the strait if necessary.

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Iran has several times said it is ready to target the strait if it is attacked or economically strangled by Western sanctions over its nuclear program.

An Iranian lawmaker’s comments last week that the navy exercises would block the Strait of Hormuz briefly sent oil prices soaring before that was denied by the government.
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None of these people represent Iran's leadership, nor do they have the power to make any decisions about closing the strait.

If Mitt Romney says we're going to attack Iran that's not the same as the US saying it.

It's hot air from a powerless bozo, and recognized as such.
 
One is the admiral in charge of their navy. They've been playing war games in the strait, practicing to close it down.

How's that slow and agonizing death from radioactivity coming along?

You do realize the USA alone blew up over 1000 nukes during the years before 1964, including 331 in the atmosphere. Maybe two sheets of tin foil for the hat, eh?
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm the one laughing. There's a saying that when the facts aren't on your side, bang the table.

You're thumping it.
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facts? After backing away from the $12 a gallon by the fall BS you pulled out your ass that I called you on, you relayed that some unnamed people are talking about $6 gas? How can I argue with those facts?

I'm sure the 6$ and 12$ a gallon day will come sooner or later and much higher too. Safe to say that you're rooting/hoping for bad news to hurry up and arrive because you're a political :smiley-cheer: and your team is losing. Unfortunately as a realist I know that neither party is on my side, and I'll have to make the best of matters regardless

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
facts? After backing away from the $12 a gallon by the fall BS you pulled out your ass that I called you on, you relayed that some unnamed people are talking about $6 gas? How can I argue with those facts?

I'm sure the 6$ and 12$ a gallon day will come sooner or later and much higher too. Safe to say that you're rooting/hoping for bad news to hurry up and arrive because you're a political :smiley-cheer: and your team is losing. Unfortunately as a realist I know that neither party is on my side, and I'll have to make the best of matters regardless

STOMP
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The price of gas, at least here, has gone up for 37 straight days.

Forbes magazine isn't unnamed people. $6 Gas?

Picture in the news from 2 days ago:

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$4/gallon hits Bend Oregon

HOW GAS PRICES CAN IMPACT THE ECONOMY

I read the news. Do you?
 
yes Captain Obvious gas prices are going up, thanks for the revelation. But neither President Obama, Bush, Clinton etc... are at fault for Iran wanting to nuke Israel. Our relationship with them has been strained for decades and there is no magic policy the latest President can adopt to reverse history and make this all go away. Suggesting that it's largely Obama's fault is a laughable talking point that the far right extremists have been pushing as they're desperate for some national negativity to latch onto. The last few talking points have gone over like a led balloon and their primaries have been an embarrassing circus featuring pathetically feeble turnout. See, I do follow the news :)

While speculators have recently driven up prices due to the latest concerns, as several posters have pointed out demand for this higher priced gas is plummeting. Thats not going to make the rest of the Arab world happy either which equals even more pressure on Iran. We'll just have to see how this plays out, but I much prefer our current tact working with other countries to starting yet another war

STOMP
 
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