Is The Healthcare Bill Constitutional?

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...interesting points from FOX News, really :dunno:

Oh c'mom now, the article is clearly written from the righty point of view, BUT, the items they mention as constitutional challanges are interesting- and probably right. I was hoping (silly me) for some decent debate. :sherlock:
 
I want the government to mandate everyone buy whatever I want to sell. Thank you.
 
It is an interesting situation. I personally feel that it should be unconstitutional for the government to require that I buy a product, with absolutely no way out.

The argument of equating it to auto insurance is beyond stupid. I'm actually surprised that Obama would go that route, as he isn't a stupid man.
 
It is an interesting situation. I personally feel that it should be unconstitutional for the government to require that I buy a product, with absolutely no way out.

The argument of equating it to auto insurance is beyond stupid. I'm actually surprised that Obama would go that route, as he isn't a stupid man.

Actually, you do have a way out. Don't pay and pay the fine.
 
Actually, you do have a way out. Don't pay and pay the fine.

Which is actually a criminal offense.

And yes, the auto insurance example is stupid, but I already had one long conversation about that with an Obama cheerleader on this board. I don't wish to have another one.
 
You don't have to drive, though it might be inconvenient if you choose not to. You do have to breathe, though.

I get the sense that a constitutional challenge would boil down to the fine making it not technically required that you buy from an insurance company. But it seems like the govt. may be requiring you to in a defacto manner.
 
Is it a one-time fine? Or do I have to pay every week/month/year?

The healthcare plan is mandated and therefore it is treated, by law, as a tax. Therefore, failure to pay (yearly) is punishable by a fine (probably $5-10,000) and imprisonment. It's unlikely anyone will actually go to jail, but with this administration and the pure meanness in the current Congress, I wouldn't rule out the socialists sending people to jail.
 
I posted a link to this article in the health care thread. It's written by a law professor who was blessed to serve on the faculty along with our Savior and Messiah.

Is health care legislation even legal? This scholar doesn't think so.

http://www.pointoflaw.com/columns/ar...king-in-he.php

It's a long article, but here's the conclusion:


CONCLUSION: This ill-conceived legislation has many provisions that regulate different aspects of private health-insurance companies. Taken together, the combined force of these provisions raises serious constitutional questions. I think that these provisions are so intertwined with the rest of the legislation that it is difficult to see how the entire statute could survive if one of its components is defective to its core. How courts will deal with these difficult issues is of course not known, but rate-regulation cases normally attract a higher level of scrutiny than, say, land-use decisions.

There is, moreover, no quick fix that will eliminate the Reid Bill's major constitutional defects. It would, of course, be a catastrophe if the Congress sought to put this program into place before its constitutionality were tested. Most ratemaking challenges are done on the strength of the record, and I see no reason why a court would let a health-insurance company be driven into bankruptcy before it could present its case that the mixture of regulations and subsidies makes it impossible to earn a reasonable return on its capital. At the very least, therefore, there are massive problems of delayed implementation that will plague any health-care legislation from the date of its passage. I should add that the many broad delegations to key administrative officials will themselves give rise to major delays and additional challenges on statutory or constitutional grounds.

The health of the American people should not be held hostage to such unwise legislation. The Senate should reject the Reid Bill because of the unsustainability of the statutory scheme regulating health-insurance markets. But there is also little doubt that its central arrangements are unconstitutional, and will face serious legal challenge for years to come. Rather than embarking on a fundamentally flawed course of action, sure to spark litigation, the Senate should start over with other reforms that go in the opposite direction: simplify the system so that market forces can increase both quality and access in ways that no system of government mandates can hope to do. Deregulation is a word that has been forgotten in the current debate. It should be returned to center stage.[4]
 
I posted a link to this article in the health care thread. It's written by a law professor who was blessed to serve on the faculty along with our Savior and Messiah.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to maxiep again.

Nice article. I hope people take it seriously.
 
You don't have to drive, though it might be inconvenient if you choose not to. You do have to breathe, though.

I get the sense that a constitutional challenge would boil down to the fine making it not technically required that you buy from an insurance company. But it seems like the govt. may be requiring you to in a defacto manner.

Plus, in the case of auto insurance, that is a state by state decision. I believe in New Hampshire, a person is not required to carry auto insurance even if they own a vehicle.
 
Plus, in the case of auto insurance, that is a state by state decision. I believe in New Hampshire, a person is not required to carry auto insurance even if they own a vehicle.

that is correct, unless required by your lender.

no seatbelts either (over 18)

or motorcycle helmets

or state sales tax

or state income tax
 
Of course not, but neither is the Patriot Act, or requiring driver's licenses to drive, or UA's to work for that matter.

This country is built on un-Constitutionality.
 
Of course not, but neither is the Patriot Act, or requiring driver's licenses to drive, or UA's to work for that matter.

This country is built on un-Constitutionality.

When they come for your 1st amendment right to free speech, let me know. If you figure out some way to do so.
 
Well the great thing about this country is FOX News doesn't decide what is or isn't constitutional, and neither do any of you.

The only people that matter are the 9 on the supreme court. If they won't overturn this legislation then it is constitutional.
 
Plus, in the case of auto insurance, that is a state by state decision. I believe in New Hampshire, a person is not required to carry auto insurance even if they own a vehicle.

Auto insurance is also required to protect anyone you may injure in a crash, rather than yourself. Don't we get to make decisions about our own well-being, or are we too stupid and require the assistance of our bureaucratic overlords to even draw breath?
 

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