Is There a Conspiracy With NBA Refs?

[Natebishop3]

This game was actually one of the most satisfying games i have ever viewed. For one game, the Los Angeles Lakers (and Kobe in particular) were actually held to the same rules and interpretation of the rules as the other team. Kobe understood it best, you could see it in his face, and he knew why, and he kept his mouth shut. It will be interesting to see how long the refs continue to hold things even in retaliation for one of theirs being insulted on national tv by Kobe.

That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Gives a little more credence to the Tim Donaghy stuff.

 

[jlprk]

Bernie Fryer...stated that the officials had full permission (but never ordered to) to give preferential treatment...

He said this while still employed as an NBA referee? And they didn't quietly get rid of him?

Imagine if Stern ran the NBA in 1977? The Sixers had ALL the star power: Dr. J, George McGinnis, Lloyd Free, Doug Collins, Daryl Dawkins, Henry Bibby...The outcome of that series would have been completely different in today's NBA, not because of the abilities of the teams on the court, but the politics of marketing the league.

Before the Finals began, amid its speculation on details, the national media said, "Whatever happens, it's Philadelphia." In other words, they didn't know exactly how it would transpire, but they were confident that the victor was a foreordained conclusion. Not necessarily because of the referees--more from just feeling we were an inferior little hick town.

We lost the first two, but Walton's fierce determination to play by Wooden's system won it. He gives all the credit to teammates and coach, but they were ordinary before and after their association with him. The media, refs, and league couldn't stop Walton.

Before Stern, commissioners weren't as explicit in helping the biggest markets, although the media showcased them as much as now. Nowadays, Stern maintains more control over referees and media, so maybe he could have prevented our championship, but I think Walton was so unstoppable that even Stern couldn't have.

 

[DeanMoriarty]

He said this while still employed as an NBA referee? And they didn't quietly get rid of him?



Before the Finals began, amid its speculation on details, the national media said, "Whatever happens, it's Philadelphia." In other words, they didn't know exactly how it would transpire, but they were confident that the victor was a foreordained conclusion. Not necessarily because of the referees--more from just feeling we were an inferior little hick town.

We lost the first two, but Walton's fierce determination to play by Wooden's system won it. He gives all the credit to teammates and coach, but they were ordinary before and after their association with him. The media, refs, and league couldn't stop Walton.

Before Stern, commissioners weren't as explicit in helping the biggest markets, although the media showcased them as much as now. Nowadays, Stern maintains more control over referees and media, so maybe he could have prevented our championship, but I think Walton was so unstoppable that even Stern couldn't have.

A good test to this theory would be to look at Tim Duncan. MVP calibur player, future HOF, 4x NBA champion. Sure, he plays in the big state of Texas but he's still in San Antonio, nonetheless.

Anyways, here's a vid of fouls from Saturday's game. It's obviously biased but it's worth watching for the terrible officiating.

 

[Natebishop3]

A good test to this theory would be to look at Tim Duncan. MVP calibur player, future HOF, 4x NBA champion. Sure, he plays in the big state of Texas but he's still in San Antonio, nonetheless.

Anyways, here's a vid of fouls from Saturday's game. It's obviously biased but it's worth watching for the terrible officiating.

So at what point do you say, "fuck this I'm done."

The sad thing is, the entire city of Portland could boycott, they would just move the team somewhere more profitable, and Stern would be perfectly happy doing it.

 

[Denny Crane]

The refs let Dr. J travel every time he touched the ball. Star treatment isn't new.

 

[Sug]

Add the refusal to review the massive offensive goal-tend in the Denver game.

 

[Natebishop3]

The refs let Dr. J travel every time he touched the ball. Star treatment isn't new.

Malpractice insurance is so high, they probably felt bad for the guy.

 

[STOMP]

Anyways, here's a vid of fouls from Saturday's game. It's obviously biased but it's worth watching for the terrible officiating.

that vid earns -the take off the homer glasses and stop bitchin about the refs Portland fans- posters a large glass of STFU

The refs let Dr. J travel every time he touched the ball. Star treatment isn't new.

...and how many seasons in a row did Moses Malone play without fouling out?[/rhetorical?]

the point that is lost on some is that the same guy who receives the star treatment in a marquee market isn't the same product moving cash cow in the league's eyes if he's playing in a smaller market. Greg is the only player the Blazers have had in forever who could possibly transcend this catch 22 situation as the general public has a fascination with dominant Bigs. But even then to my eyes there is a huge difference between how Dwight Howard is treated on the road compared to at home by the officials... watch him jump ship to a favored market at the next opportunity

STOMP

 

[jlprk]

Anyways, here's a vid of fouls from Saturday's game. It's obviously biased but it's worth watching for the terrible officiating.

I see no bias! Good job by Byama58.

 

[jlprk]

Since 1991 the playoff record for biggest excess in fouls, while still winning, is 15 fouls more than the losing team.

http://bkref.com/tiny/c3Ua8
"Tm" won, "opp" lost, but Team had more fouls than Opponent
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Since 1991 the playoff record for biggest excess in FTA, while still losing, is 29 FTA more than the winning team.

http://bkref.com/tiny/M5Py2
"Tm" lost, "opp" won, but Team had more FTA than Opponent
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Since 1991 the playoff record for an individual player for FTA is 39.

http://bkref.com/tiny/i76ic

 

[magnifier661]

Bookies, maybe, but the legit sportsbooks, like the ones in Vegas or other casinos, are hurt by games being fixed. Like why would you bet on a game if you knew it was fixed but didn't know for which team?

I always wondered why I kept losing my bets betting on WWF.

 

[BrianFromWA]

the refs always get to like a two-and-a-half count before the pinned guy gets up...it's always SO CLOSE to me winning! So frustrating!

</me at 10 y/o)

 

[RW#30]

but rest assured, if and when the Lakers need calls to advance vs the Hornets, those whistles will be there

STOMP

Stomp you are prophet... Amen


I believe it is a combination of conspiracy, stupid coaching/substitution, bad calls.
The refs definitely are calling the games dictated by the league. David Stern is an evil troll and I personally open a bottle of bubbly the day he quits or dies.

As for coaching why was Roy in the game (1-7 FG) on the fast break up by 6 turns the ball over? Where is our PG a person who can run the offense?
Where was Camby in the 4th? We switch every pick and roll and Dirk takes open jumpers over our guards.
16 3's made 2? We were killing them in the paint and took 16 3's. How about going inside, cutting thru the lane and getting to the FT line? Last I checked we made 80% of our free throws.
When you coached 10+ years in the league you are what your record shows. If you are 50% in the regular season and horrible in the playoffs you are an average coach. They gave him a two year contract knowing there is a lockout next year. Since ticket renewal was coming they throw him a bone for the past 6 years. We should still win this series but Nate needs to get his head out of his ass and coach. There is no question in my mind top to bottom Portland has more talent then Dallas.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

A good test to this theory would be to look at Tim Duncan. MVP calibur player, future HOF, 4x NBA champion. Sure, he plays in the big state of Texas but he's still in San Antonio, nonetheless.

Anyways, here's a vid of fouls from Saturday's game. It's obviously biased but it's worth watching for the terrible officiating.

holy shit, what a fucking joke...

my new idea is that if we are going to get charged for fouls, might as well make them count and fucking beat the shit out of dirk the whole 4th quarter

 

[magnifier661]

holy shit, what a fucking joke...

my new idea is that if we are going to get charged for fouls, might as well make them count and fucking beat the shit out of dirk the whole 4th quarter

OMG I just watched it too! That is a fucking joke! I sure hope something could be public regarding this. We need some 3rd party that isn't going to get fined or whatnot that can expose this crap. The refs either need glasses or they need to be fired.

 

[maxiep]

A good test to this theory would be to look at Tim Duncan. MVP calibur player, future HOF, 4x NBA champion. Sure, he plays in the big state of Texas but he's still in San Antonio, nonetheless.

Anyways, here's a vid of fouls from Saturday's game. It's obviously biased but it's worth watching for the terrible officiating.

God, that's depressing. It's not like Dirk and Terry are new to the league. The refs know their moves; we fans have seen them before, too.

Honestly, if the Blazers weren't the only "big four" pro team in Portland, I probably wouldn't watch the NBA.

 

[maxiep]

Add the refusal to review the massive offensive goal-tend in the Denver game.

That was appalling. Even in my pain med induced haze (described in another thread), I was screaming at the television. And if I could see it in real time on television in my condition, they had to see it. And you're 100% right: It was the REFUSAL to even review it that makes it inexcusable. IMO, that was the bucket that decided that game.

 

[Shapecity]

Add the refusal to review the massive offensive goal-tend in the Denver game.

I also didn't understand this. It was clearly goal tending and a blown call. It forced Denver to shoot a 3-point shot to tie the game instead of being able to win it on their final possession.

 

[maxiep]

I also didn't understand this. It was clearly goal tending and a blown call. It forced Denver to shoot a 3-point shot to tie the game instead of being able to win it on their final possession.

This is a call that DEMANDS the refs be suspended for a game and an apology issued. It's the refusal to even review it that's the bigger issue. I hope Stan Kroenke has a nice chat with David Stern today.

 

[Shapecity]

LaMarcus Aldridge needs to learn how to shoot and then fall on the ground like Dirk & Terry do.

 

[Mamba]

It really has to suck blaming every single loss on referees.

 

[maxiep]

It really has to suck blaming every single loss on referees.

It has to suck worse knowing that at two of those Larry Brown Trophies belong to Portland and Sacramento but were given to you by the stripes.

 

[Mamba]

If that is how you want to look at it, then sure. I look at it as both Portland and Sacramento crumbled under the pressure.

 

[Natebishop3]

You would crumble under pressure too if the other team could do whatever they want and you are being called for every single ticky tac foul.

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[RW#30]

If that is how you want to look at it, then sure. I look at it as both Portland and Sacramento crumbled under the refs horrid calls and Shaq's travels/offensive fouls.

Fixed

 

[Mamba]

Shouldn't have committed those fouls. Or shoot..what was it? 3-18 from the field?

 

[magnifier661]

You would crumble under pressure too if the other team could do whatever they want and you are being called for every single ticky tac foul.

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it is tough, especially knowing you are getting hit on the other end and they are getting away with it.

 

[BBert]

It really has to suck blaming every single loss on referees.

I think the posters on this board have done a good job discussing the number of things that contributed to the loss, including the fucked up officiating. Check some other threads.

 

[THE HCP]

Just got back from Dealey Plaza shooting some interviews. Conspiracy? I believe yes, Stern, Javie, and Spooner and Baveta were all having lunch on the grassy knoll!!

 

[Shapecity]

According to this article offensive goal tending is not reviewable with instant replay.

The NBA’s current rules don’t allow for instant replay to be used to review whether a player committed goaltending, but Karl checked out the video to confirm his suspicions.


NBA Admits Mistake - Perkins Goal Tended