Israeli assault on Hamas kills more than 200

[yinets1860]

By IBRAHIM BARZAK and AMY TEIBEL
Associated Press Writer

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) -- Israeli warplanes rained more than 100 tons of bombs on security sites in Hamas-ruled Gaza Saturday and early Sunday, killing at least 230 people in one of the Mideast conflict's bloodiest assaults in decades. The government said the open-ended campaign was aimed at stopping rocket attacks that have traumatized southern Israel.

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[Denny Crane]

What's your opinion on this?

 

[yinets1860]

What's your opinion on this?

i hate war,so many people lose their lifes

 

[Denny Crane]

What should they do when Hamas is shooting rockets into Israel every day?

 

[Master Shake]

What should they do when Hamas is shooting rockets into Israel every day?

Israel has every right to fight back. They don't want war, but the Palestinians don't get it. People are gonna lose their life, but Israel can't stand back.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Israel has every right to fight back. They don't want war, but the Palestinians don't get it. People are gonna lose their life, but Israel can't stand back.

The Palestinians get it. They want war, they want their land back.

 

[Master Shake]

The Palestinians get it. They want war, they want their land back.

Who said it's their land?

 

[RipCity]

My opinion is they shouldn't stop until the job is done.

 

[Chutney]

Its fucking disgusting that a full-fledged nation is treating innocent civilians as callously and cruelly as a terrorist organization.

 

[RipCity]

Its fucking disgusting that a full-fledged nation is treating innocent civilians as callously and cruelly as a terrorist organization.

I disagree, personally I think it's fucking awesome that a nation is finally dealing with them in a similar fashion to the way they deal with everyone else.


Honestly, any civilian who actually lives in Gaza at this point is a total moron and sadly, Darwinism kills.

 

[Chutney]

I disagree, personally I think it's fucking awesome that a nation is finally dealing with them in a similar fashion to the way they deal with everyone else.


Honestly, any civilian who actually lives in Gaza at this point is a total moron and sadly, Darwinism kills.

This makes no sense to me. Do you honestly think that targeting Palestinian civilians will hurt these terrorist groups anywhere near as much as their targeting of Israeli civilians has hurt Israel? Those twisted lunatics clearly don't give a shit. You don't solve anything unless you take out the people who are attacking you. Not the hundreds of people who aren't.

At the end of the day, Israel is making no effort to not kill those hundreds of completely innocent human beings. Is it fair that Israel has to respond to unprovoked attacks on their civilians by respecting the civilians of the place where they're coming from? Of course not. It makes the task of defending themselves extraordinarily difficult. But they're a full-fledged nation with the support of much of the developed Western world. They should expect and strive to be held to a higher standard than a fucking terrorist organization.

 

[umair]

...And yet United States isn't doing shit to help

 

[RipCity]

This makes no sense to me. Do you honestly think that targeting Palestinian civilians will hurt these terrorist groups anywhere near as much as their targeting of Israeli civilians has hurt Israel? Those twisted lunatics clearly don't give a shit. You don't solve anything unless you take out the people who are attacking you. Not the hundreds of people who aren't.

At the end of the day, Israel is making no effort to not kill those hundreds of completely innocent human beings. Is it fair that Israel has to respond to unprovoked attacks on their civilians by respecting the civilians of the place where they're coming from? Of course not. It makes the task of defending themselves extraordinarily difficult. But they're a full-fledged nation with the support of much of the developed Western world. They should expect and strive to be held to a higher standard than a fucking terrorist organization.

While they are not making it a priority to prevent civilian casualties, it's not like they are targeting civilians as you say. If Israel was targeting civilians and didn't care Gaza wouldn't exist. And honestly, the numbers coming out of news organizations are absolutely ridiculous. Whats the difference between a Hamas militant and a civilian? An AK-47? In my opinion it's pretty awful the way the American media has portrayed this conflict thus far. It's almost as if they feel snubbed because they aren't being allowed into Gaza.

 

[Real]

...And yet United States isn't doing shit to help

They don't need to. Israel has about 200 nukes.

 

[Really Lost One]

...And yet United States isn't doing shit to help

The US isn't going to get involved with every issue that's going on in the world. Just like what's going on in Darfur.

This is what my history teacher said: if you have an argument in your home you shouldn't expect your neighbor to come in and take sides.

Same situation here. I am very ignorant in politics, but I don't think the US gets involved unless the situation is relevant to our country. Or else there would be way too many issues to deal with.

Of course I can be completely wrong.

 

[igotask8board]

...And yet United States isn't doing shit to help

Don't worry, they are giving Israel more bombs and more money. Israeli support is the United States #1 priority since WWII.

What should they do when Hamas is shooting rockets into Israel every day?

How many lives did said rockets ACTUALLY kill?

It's simple, Israel does not want peace. Jimmy Carter laid out the foundation for the peace treaties that both the Arab states (Iran is not an Arab state) and Israel agreed to and signed. Israel has yet to act on these treaties. Instead Israel has taken more land, made conditions even worse for the Palestinians, and nuked innocent people. That is why the Jews hate Jimmy Carter. That's why the media says President Carter was a bad president.

Read Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid by Jimmy Carter

 

[Denny Crane]

Don't worry, they are giving Israel more bombs and more money. Israeli support is the United States #1 priority since WWII.



How many lives did said rockets ACTUALLY kill?

It's simple, Israel does not want peace. Jimmy Carter laid out the foundation for the peace treaties that both the Arab states (Iran is not an Arab state) and Israel agreed to and signed. Israel has yet to act on these treaties. Instead Israel has taken more land, made conditions even worse for the Palestinians, and nuked innocent people. That is why the Jews hate Jimmy Carter. That's why the media says President Carter was a bad president.

Read Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid by Jimmy Carter

Jimmy Carter is an incompetent idiot aside from being an anti-Semite. Seen enough of that guy for one lifetime already.

Over the course of the past few decades, Israel has tried a wide range of tactics to bring peace and welfare to the Palestinians. At one extreme, they've unilaterally pulled Jews kicking and screaming from their homes in settlements to give the land to the Palestinian authorities. At the other, they use military force to go after the agents of Iran there.

The current inaccuracy of the Iranian missiles that are being fired at Israel is irrelevant. With time, money, and practice, they'll get better. And then what?

According to the UN, 4,228 Palestinians and 1,024 Israelis have been killed since 2000. 1,024. Read it. If Israel was intent on killing Palestinians, there would be ZERO Palestinians left.

The bottom line is that if the Palestinians had accepted the deal worked out by Clinton and had been spending their money on schools and roads and hospitals instead of bullets and bombs, the Palestinians would be so much better off and we wouldn't be having these issues.

 

[Chutney]

While they are not making it a priority to prevent civilian casualties, it's not like they are targeting civilians as you say. If Israel was targeting civilians and didn't care Gaza wouldn't exist. And honestly, the numbers coming out of news organizations are absolutely ridiculous. Whats the difference between a Hamas militant and a civilian? An AK-47? In my opinion it's pretty awful the way the American media has portrayed this conflict thus far. It's almost as if they feel snubbed because they aren't being allowed into Gaza.

Well Israel's obligated to distinguish between civilians and attackers by international law and ensure that any potential civilian damage must be at the very least proportional (and preferrably less than) the damage done to the hostile enemy. They've shown little to no respect for that distinction and that need for justification. Specifically targeting civilians and not bothering to avoid them may not be equivalent, but the end result is the same: innocent people are being killed unnecessarily. Like I said, I know that I'm holding Israel to a higher standard here. But they're status as a democratically developed nation with considerable Western support should warrant that higher standard. Right now, they're acting only a couple steps above terrorist organizations and are flirting with mass murder.

200 innocent people have died in little less than a week. The media and protesters should be making a big deal about this.

 

[umair]

The US isn't going to get involved with every issue that's going on in the world. Just like what's going on in Darfur.

This is what my history teacher said: if you have an argument in your home you shouldn't expect your neighbor to come in and take sides.

Same situation here. I am very ignorant in politics, but I don't think the US gets involved unless the situation is relevant to our country. Or else there would be way too many issues to deal with.

Of course I can be completely wrong.

So by your logic, you are saying that United States shouldn't get involved in any other country's business right? So explain to me the reason for United States to be butting in Iraq for no reason, still looking for 1 motherfucking bin laden, and yet they do not want to help settle palestine-israel conflict. I mean common, if you are going to go out there and help do other things to make the world better, then you can't completely ignore this major conflict going on right now. Hundreds of people are dying everyday. If it wasn't for United States providing Israel with all the money that they are giving them, Israel wouldn't be shit.

 

[Mamba]

...And yet United States isn't doing shit to help

As we shouldn't be. The majority of this country bitches when we thrust ourselves into foreign affairs, so why should we help out now? We've got our own shit on our plate that we need to handle, we can't be worried about the Israelis and the fuck heads they're dealing with.

And Umair, if you really think this Israeli/Palestinian conflict is ever going to be resolved, you're the biggest fucking idiot to walk this earth.

 

[kobimel]

So by your logic, you are saying that United States shouldn't get involved in any other country's business right? So explain to me the reason for United States to be butting in Iraq for no reason, still looking for 1 motherfucking bin laden, and yet they do not want to help settle palestine-israel conflict. I mean common, if you are going to go out there and help do other things to make the world better, then you can't completely ignore this major conflict going on right now. Hundreds of people are dying everyday. If it wasn't for United States providing Israel with all the money that they are giving them, Israel wouldn't be shit.

Laughable.

Anyway, I don't like to indulge in political discussions on the internet, so I'm not saying anything.

 

[umair]

As we shouldn't be. The majority of this country bitches when we thrust ourselves into foreign affairs, so why should we help out now? We've got our own shit on our plate that we need to handle, we can't be worried about the Israelis and the fuck heads they're dealing with.

Yeah ofcourse United States should handle their own damn business. I am 100% against the troops in Iraq and all that shit going on there. But what I am saying is that if they are going to give a hand to try and improve the world by going into Iraq, then why not also go to butt into Palestine-Israel also? It seems pretty stupid that they are in a place where they dont need to be, yet they are not in a place which needs help.

And Umair, if you really think this Israeli/Palestinian conflict is ever going to be resolved, you're the biggest fucking idiot to walk this earth.

Ofcourse its never going to be resolved, but can we improve and better the situation there? Yes.

 

[isrus]

Don't worry, they are giving Israel more bombs and more money. Israeli support is the United States #1 priority since WWII.



How many lives did said rockets ACTUALLY kill?

It's simple, Israel does not want peace. Jimmy Carter laid out the foundation for the peace treaties that both the Arab states (Iran is not an Arab state) and Israel agreed to and signed. Israel has yet to act on these treaties. Instead Israel has taken more land, made conditions even worse for the Palestinians, and nuked innocent people. That is why the Jews hate Jimmy Carter. That's why the media says President Carter was a bad president.

Read Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid by Jimmy Carter

So Israel should welcome rockets being fired in just because they don't kill many people?

 

[yinets1860]

Its fucking disgusting that a full-fledged nation is treating innocent civilians as callously and cruelly as a terrorist organization.

yes,so many innocent civilians were dead in the war,thay killed more innocent civilians than Hamas.

 

[Mamba]

Yeah ofcourse United States should handle their own damn business. I am 100% against the troops in Iraq and all that shit going on there. But what I am saying is that if they are going to give a hand to try and improve the world by going into Iraq, then why not also go to butt into Palestine-Israel also? It seems pretty stupid that they are in a place where they dont need to be, yet they are not in a place which needs help.


Ofcourse its never going to be resolved, but can we improve and better the situation there? Yes.

There is no way to improve and better the situation. They've been fighting for decades and they'll continue to fight for decades. They hate each other over in that region of the world, there is no fixing that. We need to keep ourselves out of this mess. We can't help Israel and Palestine doesn't deserve our help.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

This is nothing new. There has been fighting in the Middle-East for centuries over the Holy Land. There has always been a land dispute over the land in that area. The Jewish people believe that Israel and some of the land surrounding it was given to them by God, and the Muslims think the same (except the other way round). I don't know if this is 100% right.

I believe that Israel do have a right to defend themselves, but this is just getting out of hand. This would be like a member from the Blazer forum spamming the MMA area, and in turn, S2 ban all of the Blazer fans.

 

[igotask8board]

This is nothing new. There has been fighting in the Middle-East for centuries over the Holy Land. There has always been a land dispute over the land in that area. The Jewish people believe that Israel and some of the land surrounding it was given to them by God, and the Muslims think the same (except the other way round). I don't know if this is 100% right.

I believe that Israel do have a right to defend themselves, but this is just getting out of hand. This would be like a member from the Blazer forum spamming the MMA area, and in turn, S2 ban all of the Blazer fans.

I believe your house was given to me by God. I'm coming to take it, GET OUT NOW OR I WILL KILL YOUR WIFE AND KIDS.

 

[dimmg]

...And yet United States isn't doing shit to help

The US is helping Israel. Why should the US help Hamas a known tarriest organization? Aren't we trying to get rid of tarriest? If anything the US should go in and clean out the Gaza strip and give it back to the nation that it belongs to since the beginning of time...Israel.

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[Chutney]

I didn't realize we were acknowledging Biblical land claims.