It feels like we're one PF away from being really good

[BonesJones]

I just think Dame and CJ often cancel each other out in the first qtr...let Dame spark the starters and Crabbe defend the 2 guards, then bring CJ in halfway through.It's something I've wanted but it looks like Stotts likes them together

Cancel each other out? What?? So because they're both so good offensively it's a bad thing? That makes no sense. They combine for 51% FG and 49% 3pt in the first quarter.

 

[BlayZa]

It negates your assertion that you have to weigh so much to play inside. And weight is the only argument you made, but plenty of guys have done well inside who are smaller than Aminu, and plenty are worse who are thicker and/or taller.

His defensive rebounding % is over 20%, which is very good for a SF, and would probably be higher if he were playing more inside at PF. As a comparison, Lamarcus' career defensive rebounding percentage is 19%.

you can find stats for just about anything really - im sure if i could be bothered i could look at this http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf and extrapolate some stat based reason why its a likely fail move, but if you think Aminu @ PF is a great n competitive move cause of stats of players he isn't, and playing positions he doesn't - and I don't, well it's really all kinda moot theory on both sides really until it happens. I just hope it never does.

 

[riverman]

Cancel each other out? What?? So because they're both so good offensively it's a bad thing? That makes no sense. They combine for 51% FG and 49% 3pt in the first quarter.

So why have we blown so many first qtrs?

 

[Sinobas]

you can find stats for just about anything really - im sure if i could be bothered i could look at this http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf and extrapolate some stat based reason why its a likely fail move, but if you think Aminu @ PF is a great n competitive move cause of stats of players he isn't, and playing positions he doesn't - and I don't, well it's really all kinda moot theory on both sides really until it happens. I just hope it never does.

?? Nice argument. "I'm sure if could find a stat to support my position" LOL! OK Mr. Lazypants. Take a look at SFs. Aminu is #3 among SFs in rebound rate. And he's got the length to be a good defender inside, he displayed that more in Dallas...perhaps because of how he was used defensively.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

An Olynyk/Plumlee combo would be money.

 

[BlayZa]

?? Nice argument. "I'm sure if could find a stat to support my position" LOL! OK Mr. Lazypants. Take a look at SFs. Aminu is #3 among SFs in rebound rate. And he's got the length to be a good defender inside, he displayed that more in Dallas...perhaps because of how he was used defensively.

i think you're the only one looking for an 'argument' about it, so the care factor in partaking is close to zero tbh.

and i really couldnt care less about his SF stats when you are talking about him playing PF.

 

[BonesJones]

Aminu is not the PFOTF or even the SFOTF. Some of y'all sitting here saying CJ isn't a starter but Aminu is. Comical.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Looking at the numbers CJ isn't an awful defender by any means.

It's fair to say that he more than holds his own at SG - all 6'3" 205 lbs of him.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Looking at the numbers CJ isn't an awful defender by any means.

It's fair to say that he more than holds his own at SG - all 6'3" 205 lbs of him.

I would love to get a new reading of his height. I almost guarantee he is taller than that. He is taller than Lillard who was listed at 6 foot 3 coming out of the draft and CJ is easily 2 inches taller than him now.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Lillard is a full 6'3" w/shoes.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I know. Lillard was officially measured at 6 foot 2 and 3/4 coming into the draft. I am saying that CJ is probably 6 foot 5 now. He has grown before our eyes.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

6'4" might not actually be a stretch.

Maybe HCP can get the numbers from MB.

 

[BonesJones]

He's at least 6'4.

 

[Blazers Roy]

CJ is listed as 6'4 200lbs on ESPN.com and NBA.com even though he is also listed as 1.93 in meters

 

[Orion Bailey]

Cancel each other out? What?? So because they're both so good offensively it's a bad thing? That makes no sense. They combine for 51% FG and 49% 3pt in the first quarter.

your rarely gonna see both guys score 15 points in the first qtr. I think that's what was meant by cancelling each other out. We only need one hot one out of the gate. If they are both hot out of the gate and both start, then one may be supressed for the other. But if CJ comes off the bench, then he takes over for Dame and the scoring continues.

 

[BBert]

They don't cancel each other out. Ideally, they open things up and make it easier for each other. Or if one is hot and the other cold, they cover for each other. This is a good thing.

Following the line of thinking that they cancel each other out, so shouldn't play together, a team should never have more than one scorer on the floor at a time. And here I thought teams aspired to have three.

 

[Sinobas]

6'4" might not actually be a stretch.

Maybe HCP can get the numbers from MB.

I was just thinking that last night, watching Damian interview CJ. I always thought they were the same height, but CJ was obviously taller than Dame, and looked close to Henderson, who is listed at 6-5.

 

[BonesJones]

your rarely gonna see both guys score 15 points in the first qtr. I think that's what was meant by cancelling each other out. We only need one hot one out of the gate. If they are both hot out of the gate and both start, then one may be supressed for the other. But if CJ comes off the bench, then he takes over for Dame and the scoring continues.

Or you sub the one who isn't hitting out first, then bring him back for the other, and the scoring still continues.

 

[HailBlazers]

Aminu is not the PFOTF or even the SFOTF. Some of y'all sitting here saying CJ isn't a starter but Aminu is. Comical.

Defense wins championships. You need a SF that can guard the likes of LeBron/Durant to win in this league.

 

[BonesJones]

Defense wins championships. You need a SF that can guard the likes of LeBron/Durant to win in this league.

And that's why he's not the future.

 

[Orion Bailey]

And that's why he's not the future.

If AMinu would stop thinking about Offense, he might be the best SF we could put next to Dame and CJ. A versatile lockdown defender who cna cover several positions. What is killing us is the PF position not providing offense. Our centers are doing what they need to be doing.

All this talk is fruitless. Its the PF position holding us back, not the guards....

 

[blue9]

If AMinu would stop thinking about Offense, he might be the best SF we could put next to Dame and CJ. A versatile lockdown defender who cna cover several positions. .

Aminu is not a versatile OR lockdown defender. At best he can guard two positions - SF and PF. And even then he's nothing special. He can be an above average defender - but he even falls short in that regard more often than not.

I'd love to find a sucker to trade him to in a "Gerald Wallace" type trade. If Wallace got us the #6 pick, maybe Aminu can get us the #10 pick?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Aminu is not a versatile OR lockdown defender. At best he can guard two positions - SF and PF. And even then he's nothing special. He can be an above average defender - but he even falls short in that regard more often than not.

I'd love to find a sucker to trade him to in a "Gerald Wallace" type trade. If Wallace got us the #6 pick, maybe Aminu can get us the #10 pick?

Im not sure if he is long term, but I think your way off about not being a good defender. Just look at who he has defended and their stats for the game. He has shut just about every superstar down we have faced so far.

 

[blue9]

...I think your way off about not being a good defender. Just look at who he has defended and their stats for the game. He has shut just about every superstar down we have faced so far.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Lost me on that one.

 

[blue9]

I'm just dubious about your claim that "he has shut just about every superstar down we have faced so far." To that I say: ORLY?
I also say, "and just how many superstars have we faced so far?".
Basically: not swayed. He's basically a blend of Outlaw and Blazers-era G.Wallace - not as dumb as Outlaw and not as good as Wallace (and Wallace wasn't very good).

Speaking of Outlaw - watching Crabbe lately reminds me of what Outlaw could have been if he wasn't the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz. He has a similar offensive game, but he's actually smart so he isn't lost on the floor. Obviously he doesn't have the ridiculously high jump, but their ability to shoot off screens, the pull-up, or the set shot is remarkably similar.

 

[Blazers Roy]

-Aminu is a good (not 1st team all-defense) defender, he is very tall,athletic and can make open jumpers.
-Aminu is a legitimate starter in today's NBA and we got him relatively cheap.
-Aminu shows signs of improvement on fast breaks.

=We can appreciate him a bit more.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'm just dubious about your claim that "he has shut just about every superstar down we have faced so far." To that I say: ORLY?
I also say, "and just how many superstars have we faced so far?".
Basically: not swayed. He's basically a blend of Outlaw and Blazers-era G.Wallace - not as dumb as Outlaw and not as good as Wallace (and Wallace wasn't very good).

Speaking of Outlaw - watching Crabbe lately reminds me of what Outlaw could have been if he wasn't the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz. He has a similar offensive game, but he's actually smart so he isn't lost on the floor. Obviously he doesn't have the ridiculously high jump, but their ability to shoot off screens, the pull-up, or the set shot is remarkably similar.

Paul George and LeBron James played awful at the Moda Center. Did he play some D on RW too? He didn't play well against us either.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Look at the numbers

http://bkref.com/tiny/QcbaT

Dame is on the same trajectory as Curry, but he has accomplished more than Curry at this point in his career.

Also, look at CJ compared to Klay after three seasons.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Jajgg

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I mean, Kap over on the 49ers broke records in passing and rushing, but I wouldn't call him the next Steve Young.

I do, however, feel that we are one piece away from being a real contending team. But what that one piece is, I have no idea. I wouldn't mind seeing a bullish Big in the paint though; someone who can muscle is way around PFs and Centers. And play defense as well as offense.

But would Stotts know how to play him? That's the big question too. Right now, I'm not that high on Stotts.

 

[Tunchi]

But would Stotts know how to play him? That's the big question too. Right now, I'm not that high on Stotts.

What's wrong with Stotts? You gotta blame the personnel he's working with..