It Is Over, Obama Wins

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yup, time to drop the Tea Party. A black eye on the Republican party.

We need a new type of republican. Sadly, I don't think its out there.

 

[ehizzy3]

Wait a few years. Nice ballot, by the way. Way to treat your right to vote as a joke.

lol thanks!

 

[RoyToy]

We need a new type of republican. Sadly, I don't think its out there.

I'd like to get to a point where the presidency is decided almost solely on economic policies. Instead we have people who won't vote for candidates based on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc.

It's fucking 2012. It's time to grow up as a country. Instead Debra won't vote for Romney because he wants to stop abortion and doesn't even care about his economic policies.

Time to grow up.

 

[Natebishop3]

No, sorry, you're wrong.

America is now nose diving into oblivion!

Serfdom!

other stupid poor sport comments!


(btw, good on you Nate, for not being a sheep)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with Obama even a little bit.... but Romney is probably the first hateful Presidential candidate I've seen in my lifetime. Not even Bush was this bigoted or oblivious to the fact that he was turning people off.

 

[julius]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with Obama even a little bit.... but Romney is probably the first hateful Presidential candidate I've seen in my lifetime. Not even Bush was this bigoted or oblivious to the fact that he was turning people off.

I'm not sure he's hateful, as much as he's just oblivious of how people who are not in his SES act, believe or struggle.

I don't doubt that he's a good man, but I'm not sure if he shares the same values as I do. To be honest, there are some values that the President and i don't share, but the Venn diagram between myself and the President is much more inclusive than it is with me and Romney.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I'd like to get to a point where the presidency is decided almost solely on economic policies. Instead we have people who won't vote for candidates based on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc.

It's fucking 2012. It's time to grow up as a country. Instead Debra won't vote for Romney because he wants to stop abortion and doesn't even care about his economic policies.

Time to grow up.

So money > everything else. Good to know.

 

[RoyToy]

So money > everything else. Good to know.

Gay marriage should be legal
Abortion should stay legal
Marijuana should be legal

These are all fucking common sense. Still voting based on these issues is dumb. It's only a matter of time until all will be legal.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm not sure he's hateful, as much as he's just oblivious of how people who are not in his SES act, believe or struggle.

I don't doubt that he's a good man, but I'm not sure if he shares the same values as I do. To be honest, there are some values that the President and i don't share, but the Venn diagram between myself and the President is much more inclusive than it is with me and Romney.

When you don't think that a gay couple should be able to get married, or have children, that's hateful in my book. It might be misguided hate based on upbringing, but it's still hate and discrimination because he is basing their ability as parents solely on their sexual preference.

 

[julius]

When you don't think that a gay couple should be able to get married, or have children, that's hateful in my book. It might be misguided hate based on upbringing, but it's still hate and discrimination because he is basing their ability as parents solely on their sexual preference.

I see what you're saying. I'm not sure if I'm ready to concede that he's hateful or anything. Not sure how I'd characterize it though. Ignorance maybe.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Gay marriage should be legal
Abortion should stay legal
Marijuana should be legal

These are all fucking common sense. Still voting based on these issues is dumb. It's only a matter of time until all will be legal.

Not if you vote for conservatives, it's not. For me, it's only a matter of time before the economy magically balances itself out.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Wow . . . I liked Romney. I didn't find him warm, but he did come across as competent and I thought he was just the kind of president we needed at this time.

Biut let's face it, he was running against an incumbent which history would say the odds were against him (or any other rebuplican candidate). If you are a republican star in the making, you wait till the next election to have a much better chance of winning.


As for the bet, I'm still game for naming a time at a bar . . . where of course I'll be buying drinks for whoever shows up.

 

[Natebishop3]

Wow . . . I liked Romney. I didn't find him warm, but he did come across as competent and I thought he was just the kind of president we needed at this time.

Biut let's face it, he was running against an incumbent which history would say the odds were against him (or any other rebuplican candidate). If you are a republican star in the making, you wait till the next election to have a much better chance of winning.


As for the bet, I'm still game for naming a time at a bar . . . where of course I'll be buying drinks for whoever shows up.

Oh snap! You're buying drinks with PapaG's money?? I'm there!

 

[ehizzy3]

name the spot! socialized alcohol!

 

[ppilot]

We will continue on this course until we run out of money. It's no different than a junkie. We have to hit rock bottom.

IF you think Romney would have made any real changes in this area then you have some astonishingly large blinders on. The current political system in broken and the only real change will occur once campaign reforms are actually in place

 

[Natebishop3]

IF you think Romney would have made any real changes in this area then you have some astonishingly large blinders on. The current political system in broken and the only real change will occur once campaign reforms are actually in place

I personally didn't think Romeny would make any difference at all. That's why I didn't vote for him.

 

[theprunetang]

I'd like to get to a point where the presidency is decided almost solely on economic policies. Instead we have people who won't vote for candidates based on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc.

It's fucking 2012. It's time to grow up as a country. Instead Debra won't vote for Romney because he wants to stop abortion and doesn't even care about his economic policies.


Time to grow up.

I hope you realize that this goes both ways. My parents have voted republican every election since they were allowed to vote. You want to know the reason? Abortion. They vote for the republican every time who is Pro-life. Has any of those presidents ever been able to change the law in regards to Roe V. Wade? Hell no. But they still voted for them. That is the definition of a wasted vote.

And as a liberal, Obama hasn't exactly knocked my socks off, I could recognize the danger of a Romney presidency. His stance on gay rights, women's rights, and abortion are just things I could not condone. I was actually scared about his possible presidency, and living in "inner South East Portland", I wasn't alone.

Call that a wasted vote if you want. But, Willard would have set gay/women's rights back by about 40 years.....and especially given the probable supreme court additions coming up. I definitely feel like I spent my vote wisely. Now, as some have brought up, if there was someone who was about fiscal policies but didn't live in a time warp as far as social issues, it might make me think.

 

[Nate Dogg]

I just get tired of the US government being controlled by OPEC! Stop being pussy whipped ! Drop our gas prices !

 

[Natebishop3]

I hope you realize that this goes both ways. My parents have voted republican every election since they were allowed to vote. You want to know the reason? Abortion. They vote for the republican every time who is Pro-life. Has any of those presidents ever been able to change the law in regards to Roe V. Wade? Hell no. But they still voted for them. That is the definition of a wasted vote.

And as a liberal, Obama hasn't exactly knocked my socks off, I could recognize the danger of a Romney presidency. His stance on gay rights, women's rights, and abortion are just things I could not condone. I was actually scared about his possible presidency, and living in "inner South East Portland", I wasn't alone.

Call that a wasted vote if you want. But, Willard would have set gay/women's rights back by about 40 years.....and especially given the probable supreme court additions coming up. I definitely feel like I spent my vote wisely. Now, as some have brought up, if there was someone who was about fiscal policies but didn't live in a time warp as far as social issues, it might make me think.

I can understand the fear you were feeling. His stance on abortion, gay rights, and women's rights was definitely concerning to me as well, but the President only has so much power. That's why checks and balances exist. I doubt he could have gotten rid of Roe V Wade or set back gay rights. Then again, with a Republican controlled House or Senate, anything is possible.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Gay marriage should be legal
Abortion should stay legal
Marijuana should be legal

These are all fucking common sense. Still voting based on these issues is dumb. It's only a matter of time until all will be legal.

Please explain why these are all common sense?

 

[Natebishop3]

Please explain why these are all common sense?

Gay Marriage: should have absolutely nothing to do with the government. Personally I have always felt there should be a clear separation between marriage and civil union. One has to do with religion, the other has to do with taxes.

Abortion: I personally do not like abortions, and would be pretty upset if my fiancee decided to get one, but again I do not think the government should get involved.

Marijuana: For fucks sake this has been such a waste of money. It's not worse than booze, and our country has wasted billions on trying to fight it, and incarcerate people for using it/selling it. Such a waste of time and money. Just legalize the shit and save some cash. Meth and heroine are another story, but even then I think they should be legalized and regulated. We haven't stopped anyone from using these drugs. We are only promoting organized crime and wasting money on trying to incarcerate the people who use and sell it. Just stupid.

 

[Minstrel]

I think the Republicans have come to a fork in the road where they have to make a choice: be the party of small government, or embrace the Christian Right? I think conservatism will never die out, because it's partially a personality type in humanity (as is liberalism), but parties and party identities can die out. Right now, the Republicans are diluting their small government message with a lot of social conservatism that, more and more, consists of issues that are political losers. In the past, being for legislating away rights to gay marriage and abortion, for example, could win you more votes. Polls show that the majority of the American people are either now against such legislating away of right or will be soon. It's also contradictory to the message of small government...it can correctly be characterized as "Small government except for the things we don't like."

I think a conservative party that ditches the deep social conservatism and sticks to fiscal conservatism will do strongly. When people say the country is "center-right," it's now important to qualify that: it's center-right on fiscal issues but more and more center-left on social issues. Democrats are probably more left of the population on fiscal issues, but Republicans are currently too far to the right of the population on social issues and trending away from the population. If they continue that path, they'll marginalize themselves. It'll still play in deep south states, but it won't win national elections.

I don't know if the Republican party will realize this in time for 2016. The GOP primary season took a guy who governed as moderate Republican in Massachusetts and forced him to run to right of every lunatic (read: Rick Santorum, Rick Perry) in the primary in order to win. If the GOP keeps doing that, they'll keep losing national elections. At some point, either the Republican party will change to focus on fiscal issues while ditching the social conservatism baggage or else a new conservative party will arise who does.

Personally, I find the current Republican party repugnant, but I don't find fiscal conservativism repugnant. While I'm obviously much to the left of the center, I think the Republicans have a similar problem, to a lesser extent, with a lot of people in the nation.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think the Republicans have come to a fork in the road where they have to make a choice: be the party of small government, or embrace the Christian Right? I think conservatism will never die out, because it's partially a personality type in humanity (as is liberalism), but parties and party identities can die out. Right now, the Republicans are diluting their small government message with a lot of social conservatism that, more and more, consists of issues that are political losers. In the past, being for legislating away rights to gay marriage and abortion, for example, could win you more votes. Polls show that the majority of the American people are either now against such legislating away of right or will be soon. It's also contradictory to the message of small government...it can correctly be characterized as "Small government except for the things we don't like."

I think a conservative party that ditches the deep social conservatism and sticks to fiscal conservatism will do strongly. When people say the country is "center-right," it's now important to qualify that: it's center-right on fiscal issues but more and more center-left on social issues. Democrats are probably more left of the population on fiscal issues, but Republicans are currently too far to the right of the population on social issues and trending away from the population. If they continue that path, they'll marginalize themselves. It'll still play in deep south states, but it won't win national elections.

I don't know if the Republican party will realize this in time for 2016. The GOP primary season took a guy who governed as moderate Republican in Massachusetts and forced him to run to right of every lunatic (read: Rick Santorum, Rick Perry) in the primary in order to win. If the GOP keeps doing that, they'll keep losing national elections. At some point, either the Republican party will change to focus on fiscal issues while ditching the social conservatism baggage or else a new conservative party will arise who does.

Personally, I find the current Republican party repugnant, but I don't find fiscal conservativism repugnant. While I'm obviously much to the left of the center, I think the Republicans have a similar problem, to a lesser extent, with a lot of people in the nation.

You hit the nail on the head. Good to see you post again Minstrel. Count me as one who doesn't think the GOP will get their shit together anytime soon.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yup, time to drop the Tea Party. A black eye on the Republican party.

funny. Read Minstrel's post. The Tea Party is solely about fiscal conservatism. In other words, they're the hope for the party. What is needed is for the party establishment to embrace it instead of fighting it. To put up the best fiscally conservative candidates and back them, instead of backing their own candidates who lose to amateurs.

 

[maxiep]

funny. Read Minstrel's post. The Tea Party is solely about fiscal conservatism. In other words, they're the hope for the party. What is needed is for the party establishment to embrace it instead of fighting it. To put up the best fiscally conservative candidates and back them, instead of backing their own candidates who lose to amateurs.

The party establishment will become the party of "me-too". The Tea Party will merge with the Libertarians and we'll field third party people who won't stand a chance. The GOP will massively moderate and field candidates who look like Bill Clinton.

We made a decision last night. We want socialism. We're choosing dependency over opportunity. And it will be a fun ride. People will get lots of "free" shit and not have to work. The part about the ride they don't tell you is the crash. We're Slim Pickens riding a nuclear warhead at the end of Dr. Strangelove.

 

[Denny Crane]

We didn't choose socialism.

We chose harsh regulations on things that make us prosper, big deficits, a mind boggling debt, 4 more years of malaise, and what's looking like a stock market bubble that will be blamed on bush.

 

[Natebishop3]

The Dems will still be blaming Bush four years from now. Guaranteed.

 

[Denny Crane]

The Dems will still be blaming Bush four years from now. Guaranteed.

Yeah, "Bush fucked things up so badly that none of the Keynesian strategies we tried over and over seemed to work."

 

[Minstrel]

Good to see you post again Minstrel.

Thanks, Nate. I still look in from time to time, but these days I'm generally more content to read.

 

[Eastoff]

Only in American, can we circle jerk about future shitty jobs after losing an election!

 

[Spud147]

Obama is more personable and that resonates with women. To a small degree, the presidential election can be a beauty contest.

And to a big degree this is about as condescending as it gets. You blame the election results on women because we voted on his looks and not the real issues.

Here's the reality, I paid my way through college and graduated, I bought my own house, I have a 4 year old car with no car payment, I have my own mutual funds and retirement account. All of this without any financial assistance from a man... this is ALL ME.

So, the reality for me is... I need a good job just as bad as every man in here. Do you think I'm going to look at Mitt and his "binders of women" and say, "Yeah, that guy can turn the economy around and he wants me to thrive"? He believes I can't even get into heaven unless I marry, become subordinate, and wear special undies. I do not want this asshole making decisions about my life because he thinks I'm inferior. I voted based on all the issues, including the economy, and how it affects me! It wasn't a damn beauty contest.