It must be asked... is CJ better than Dame?

[Rhal]

Sure you can ask it, but its in the same vein as asking if John Wall is a top 5 PG. Youll ponder it for a split second before realizing that nope he isnt.

 

[fumanchu]

One thing is for sure, having Dame and CJ is pretty redundant and if this team is going to significantly improve, one of them may need to be traded. Dame can net us much more in return. I'd hate to see him go, but if we could get a top 2 or 3 pick, or another star (Paul George?) in return I would be ecstatic.

 

[Tunchi]

Right now not quite. But by the end of the season I think he will be.

I been saying this for awhile now but Cj is much more efficient and less of a chucker than Dame is..

 

[Denny Crane]

One thing is for sure, having Dame and CJ is pretty redundant and if this team is going to significantly improve, one of them may need to be traded. Dame can net us much more in return. I'd hate to see him go, but if we could get a top 2 or 3 pick, or another star (Paul George?) in return I would be ecstatic.

I'm skeptical of a CJ/Crabbe back court.

 

[handiman]

Sure you can ask it, but its in the same vein as asking if John Wall is a top 5 PG. Youll ponder it for a split second before realizing that nope he isnt.

He isn't? Which 5+ do you have ahead of him?

 

[Chris Craig]

No, Dame is still the better player

 

[noknobs]

Right now not quite. But by the end of the season I think he will be.

I been saying this for awhile now but Cj is much more efficient and less of a chucker than Dame is..

True Shooting % gauges a players shooting efficiency. Damian is .545, CJ is .541.
Damian's assist to TO ratio is 1.9, same as CJ.
Damian's Player Efficiency Rating is 21.3, CJ is 18.81.

So when you say he's "much more efficient", are you purely talking about FG%? Is FG% now the only benchmark for how good a player is?

 

[BBert]

It must be answered:

No.

 

[Natebishop3]

It must be answered:

No.

It must be explain:

Why?

 

[Natebishop3]

He isn't? Which 5+ do you have ahead of him?

Honestly I think it's subjective because the two best are probably Curry and Westbrook. Then you've got Chris Paul, and then there's like five or six guys who could be considered in the top 5.

 

[BonesJones]

One thing is for sure, having Dame and CJ is pretty redundant and if this team is going to significantly improve, one of them may need to be traded. Dame can net us much more in return. I'd hate to see him go, but if we could get a top 2 or 3 pick, or another star (Paul George?) in return I would be ecstatic.

Having 2 guards that are in the top 5 at their position is redundant. Having 2 good leaders is redundant. Having 2 guys that can light the scoreboard on fire is redundant.

Hmmmm I like redundancy. How's it a negative?

 

[Rhal]

He isn't? Which 5+ do you have ahead of him?

Cp3
Westbrook
Steph
Lowry
Lillard

After the top 3 there are 7 to 8 that seemed to be lumped. Kyrie/lillard/lowery/wall/conley/jackson/rondo off the top of my head. Everyone is going to have 4/5 different from everyone else, if I had given it more thought id have used Kyrie instead of Wall as an example.

 

[Natebishop3]

Cp3
Westbrook
Steph
Lowry
Lillard

After the top 3 there are 7 to 8 that seemed to be lumped. Kyrie/lillard/lowery/wall/conley/jackson/rondo off the top of my head. Everyone is going to have 4/5 different from everyone else, if I had given it more thought id have used Kyrie instead of Wall as an example.

So many good point guards right now..... but isn't it hilarious that Houston used to have Lowry?

 

[Rhal]

So many good point guards right now..... but isn't it hilarious that Houston used to have Lowry?

Didnt they flip him for the 14th pick in a bad draft.

 

[Draco]

Didnt they flip him for the 14th pick in a bad draft.

Houston used the pick from the Lowry trade as one of the main assets for acquiring Harden. OKC used the pick on Steven Adams.

 

[Natebishop3]

Houston used the pick from the Lowry trade as one of the main assets for acquiring Harden. OKC used the pick on Steven Adams.

The funny thing is that I think they would have gotten further with Lowry in the playoffs than they have with Harden.

 

[BBert]

It must be explain:

Why?

I'm going with yuyuza's answer for short:

CJ has a better handle and a better midrange than Dame. But Dame is faster, more athletic, and has better vision.

And Dame is stronger, gets to the rim better, has a strong court presence, demands the full attention of the defense, and has proven it over a longer period of time.

Unlike some others, I don't see the two as redundant, I see them as complimentary. Having both is a great "problem" to have.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm going with yuyuza's answer for short:

And Dame is stronger, gets to the rim better, has a strong court presence, demands the full attention of the defense, and has proven it over a longer period of time.

Unlike some others, I don't see the two as redundant, I see them as complimentary. Having both is a great "problem" to have.

Well put. I was just curious what people thought about this.

 

[handiman]

Cp3
Westbrook
Steph
Lowry
Lillard

After the top 3 there are 7 to 8 that seemed to be lumped. Kyrie/lillard/lowery/wall/conley/jackson/rondo off the top of my head. Everyone is going to have 4/5 different from everyone else, if I had given it more thought id have used Kyrie instead of Wall as an example.

Based on your list, I'd say Wall is 4th best. (I'd shuffle the order of the top-3, though.) Health makes Irving and Rose a tough call, but I think Irving still deserves to be on the top-5 bubble, ever so slightly ahead of Lillard. I'd move Lowry down a notch, with Jackson, Bledsoe, Conley, etc. Lots of good choices either way. I was just wondering why you would dismiss Wall after "a split second" of pondering.

 

[Rhal]

Based on your list, I'd say Wall is 4th best. (I'd shuffle the order of the top-3, though.) Health makes Irving and Rose a tough call, but I think Irving still deserves to be on the top-5 bubble, ever so slightly ahead of Lillard. I'd move Lowry down a notch, with Jackson, Bledsoe, Conley, etc. Lots of good choices either way. I was just wondering why you would dismiss Wall after "a split second" of pondering.

the list of 5 I put out weren't in order. Wall was just the first name the popped into my head, probably because I had just put in a trade request for him in fantasy. Definitely wouldn't have chosen him if I had thought for longer on it. Its hard for me to make a top x list of guards in the NBA so I usually put them in tiers

 

[MarAzul]

I like winning. We are. I like CJ's shooting and we are winning.

 

[Cippy91]

No he's not better than dame. Why does this question even need to be asked? Why can't we enjoy them as one of the better backcourts in the league? Why do people want to trade lillard? Why do people want to trade cj? It's hilarious how some fans work. One player is in a slump, "it's the end of the world, trade him!", one player is playing out of his mind, "wow, he's better than our all star". Yeah, get rid of the guy who signed a 5 year deal loyal to the organization and fans. Let's just get rid of him. Some of you confuse me. "One of them has to go". Really? "It's trade value". Lol why does any of this go through people's head? Do you not understand that this could very well be the best back court for years to come? Some of the shit I read on here is hilarious.

 

[Sinobas]

True Shooting % gauges a players shooting efficiency. Damian is .545, CJ is .541.
Damian's assist to TO ratio is 1.9, same as CJ.
Damian's Player Efficiency Rating is 21.3, CJ is 18.81.

So when you say he's "much more efficient", are you purely talking about FG%? Is FG% now the only benchmark for how good a player is?

Depends on how you look at it. CJ has a better 2pt% and a better 3pt%. Dame's TS% is higher because he gets to the FT more.

 

[MARIS61]

I once saw a guy make a halfcourt shot at halftime to win a Toyota truck.

Is he better than Durant?

 

[BlayZa]

across the board, no. at some things better, at some the same, some worse.

the real question is the difference enough? you'd have to think Dame could bring in some elite trades. massive risk tho

 

[BlazerWookee]

Yeah, not so much.

 

[BlazerWookee]

One thing is for sure, having Dame and CJ is pretty redundant and if this team is going to significantly improve, one of them may need to be traded. Dame can net us much more in return. I'd hate to see him go, but if we could get a top 2 or 3 pick, or another star (Paul George?) in return I would be ecstatic.

<facepalm>

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The question is immaterial. The backcourt of the future is here. However, yes, Lillard is better, but his shot selection needs improvement.

 

[MickZagger]

The funny thing is that I think they would have gotten further with Lowry in the playoffs than they have with Harden.

You think they would have gone to the Finals with Lowry as PG?

Cause last year they made it to the WCF.

 

[Tunchi]

Depends on how you look at it. CJ has a better 2pt% and a better 3pt%. Dame's TS% is higher because he gets to the FT more.

Exactly. That's why I always say Cj is much more efficient. That's why I think Cj is going to be better than Dame when he comes back from an offseason of confidence and learns to get to the line more..