It the LGBT Community Obama's claim to fame?

[Nate4Prez]

At least don't post stupid things when you're trying to troll people.

So you admit you're trolling. That's a nice first step.

I love how you added nothing to the thread and then accused jlprk of being the troll.

 

[Nate4Prez]

I don't think Obama has been a great supporter of LGBT rights. I know conservatives want to paint Obama in a super liberal light, but he hasn't done much for LGBT individuals. The repeal of DADT is the only major thing I can think of. DOMA went through while he was president but not because of anything he did.

 

[MarAzul]

I already knew that Carter got a small one (not an ICBM sub), and that Kennedy got a big one. I was just picking on Marazul's sentence.

Strange how every Republican, even a minor one like Ford, gets a supercarrier (except Nixon, who still embarrasses them), while Johnson (who was brought down by his party for being pro-war) and Clinton (the Republicans got ships while alive) have been left out. When Johnson finally gets only a destroyer in 2018, he'll have been dead 47 years.

Republican Theodore Roosevelt has a supercarrier. Democrat Franklin Roosevelt, a generation closer in time with WW2, and stopping the Depression from destroying us, gets a destroyer.

Try this on for a sense of history. The people reelected Obama once. The people reelected Franklin Roosevelt 3 time! Both facts are astonishingly difficult to justify or even understand for anyone who has witnessed both.

 

[MarAzul]

Schools, hospitals, street, ships... get named after President because they were a US President, not because they were any good at it or not. It's an honor that goes with the office, not the man (or woman, if it ever comes to that). Therefore, I suppose a ship will be named after him. It certainly makes sense.

I doubt it.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I don't think Obama has been a great supporter of LGBT rights. I know conservatives want to paint Obama in a super liberal light, but he hasn't done much for LGBT individuals. The repeal of DADT is the only major thing I can think of. DOMA went through while he was president but not because of anything he did.

I agree. Not to mention his Supreme Court Justice.

 

[MarAzul]

Carter deserves a 3rd world class ship, since he tried to turn us into a 3rd world nation.

LBJ deserves a destroyer, since he was a destroyer himself.

They should build a really massively huge and expensive medical ship and name it the Obama. Big, costly, dispenses health care, but mostly just takes up space.

Some really good ideas there Denny. However, you have to remember, a ship needs a crew, a happy crew that is pleased to serve on the ship that they may die on. The name is very important to morale and combat efficiency. Starting with the name of turkey is to be avoided.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm pretty sure Obama's claim to fame is being of direct African heritage. And PotUS

Interesting Eastoff. Very interesting. Here is an copy from a book written prior to the writing of the US constitution. It is the only place I can find where the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" is defined.
Given that Barack Obama's place of birth was Hawaii and he is of direct African decent and heritage, what does this mean for him?

Vattel's Law of Nation 212 Book 1

"Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens,
those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this,
in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society,
reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion,
they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

 

[MarAzul]

I don't think Obama has been a great supporter of LGBT rights. I know conservatives want to paint Obama in a super liberal light, but he hasn't done much for LGBT individuals. The repeal of DADT is the only major thing I can think of. DOMA went through while he was president but not because of anything he did.

Doma went through with Clinton. Obama decided not to defend the law in court. This decision by Obama was correct in my opinion because it was a law the US congress had no business creating nor Clinton signing. The question of who may be joined in a civil ceremony or by common law is a state issue. The question of who may participate in the spiritual ceremony to marry and become husband and wife is for the churches to decide as they have done for a long time now.

 

[MarAzul]

Huh? Marazul is anti-gay (I don't use the word homophobe) due to his religion, which I can respect if he's courteous and respectful about it, though I don't agree. His picture of a boat is on every one of his many anti-gay posts. So Maris just made a joke that he's an anti-gay sailor. He said nothing about Obama.

In the thread about ignoring, I think a total of only one person on the whole board said he has Maris on ignore. I remember because I was hoping to beat him and I did...

Not very perceptive jlprk I don't post anything anti-gay, nor am I very religious. I do study religion, all of them, but I belong to no church. However I do think Gay people that want to change the definition of the word "marriage" to cover the joining of same sex couples rather strange. They want the full meaning of the word to apply to them but at the same time reject the long standing spiritual meaning of being joined in the eyes of God.
Perhaps this is the atheist view of the word marriage.

 

[Eastoff]

Interesting Eastoff. Very interesting. Here is an copy from a book written prior to the writing of the US constitution. It is the only place I can find where the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" is defined.
Given that Barack Obama's place of birth was Hawaii and he is of direct African decent and heritage, what does this mean for him?

Vattel's Law of Nation 212 Book 1

"Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens,
those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this,
in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society,
reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion,
they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

Hmm that is interesting. I wonder when foreign texts will become american law?

 

[MarAzul]

Hmm that is interesting. I wonder when foreign texts will become american law?

"Natural Born Citizen" is used in the Constitution.

 

[Denny Crane]

And then they passed the 14th amendment.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Interesting Eastoff. Very interesting. Here is an copy from a book written prior to the writing of the US constitution. It is the only place I can find where the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" is defined.
Given that Barack Obama's place of birth was Hawaii and he is of direct African decent and heritage, what does this mean for him?

Vattel's Law of Nation 212 Book 1

"Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens,
those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this,
in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society,
reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion,
they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

I completely disagree with that. My father was born in Cuba, his family moved to Venezuela when he was 12yrs old. They were too poor for him to continue going to school. He worked, helped supported his family and when he was 21yrs old he came to the USA legally. He immediately enlisted in the military, serving his country during the Vietnam ear and proudly became a citizen.

And according to you and Vattel because of that I am less of a citizen than everyone else?

 

[crandc]

SlyPokerDog, congrats belatedly to your father on his American citizenship.

The premise, of course, is absurd. When a person is elected President of the United States, that is and always will be his (someday I hope soon her) claim to fame. A president may be known for other things, and for various policies, successful or not, but mention the name of any past president and the first thing anyone says is "he was once President of the United States". Even the unmemorable presidents like Millard Fillmore and Martin Van Buren, damned if I can remember anything they did but I remember they were once Presidents of the United States.

 

[Eastoff]

I completely disagree with that. My father was born in Cuba, his family moved to Venezuela when he was 12yrs old. They were too poor for him to continue going to school. He worked, helped supported his family and when he was 21yrs old he came to the USA legally. He immediately enlisted in the military, serving his country during the Vietnam ear and proudly became a citizen.

And according to you and Vattel because of that I am less of a citizen than everyone else?

Well, I thought there was something off about you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SlyPokerDog, congrats belatedly to your father on his American citizenship.

The premise, of course, is absurd. When a person is elected President of the United States, that is and always will be his (someday I hope soon her) claim to fame. A president may be known for other things, and for various policies, successful or not, but mention the name of any past president and the first thing anyone says is "he was once President of the United States". Even the unmemorable presidents like Millard Fillmore and Martin Van Buren, damned if I can remember anything they did but I remember they were once Presidents of the United States.

Thanks Crandc! My dad is a remarkable person and a great American. He also has that cool Ricardo Montalban accent which is probably why my mom was first attracted to him when they met at the military base swimming poo. (She was a military brat and has red hair so they are a real life Lucy and Ricky, lol)

 

[Denny Crane]

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[MarAzul]

I completely disagree with that. My father was born in Cuba, his family moved to Venezuela when he was 12yrs old. They were too poor for him to continue going to school. He worked, helped supported his family and when he was 21yrs old he came to the USA legally. He immediately enlisted in the military, serving his country during the Vietnam ear and proudly became a citizen.

And according to you and Vattel because of that I am less of a citizen than everyone else?

Not sure what you disagree with Sly. It seems you father became a US citizen and therefore you became a Natural Born Citizen upon your birth. Your father never could become a Natural born citizen but you do automatically.
I am not sure of your citizenship in Venezuela or Cuba. My own status is similar to yours, just different countries on the way here. Dad is out there on a small island in the Pacific, his last cruise after becoming a citizen here.

http://patriotpost.us/commentary/18126

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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What's really strange is I don't hear my dad's accent. He just sounds like my dad. I forget about that and when I introduce my friends to my dad they always ask me about it.

 

[MarAzul]

And then they passed the 14th amendment.

The 14th amendment does not affect Natural Born. However, it was a rather ill advised update on who becomes a citizen here.

 

[maxiep]

The vast majority of my writing here is serious, not humor. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Speaking of that, why do you post so much in the gay threads?

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[maxiep]

SPD, did you ever ask your father to say "Rich Corinthian Leather" or "Smiles, everyone. Smiles."?

 

[jlprk]

I am so tired of being criticized for humor. I'm turning over a new leaf. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

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[jlprk]

Woman fails driving test in 7 seconds in South Korea

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[jlprk]

Here's a serious post. Snowden is nowhere near the record for being stuck in an airport's transit zone.