It was amateur hour with the officials tonight

[Ed O]

What game were you watching?

The same one as everyone else. Unlike many of you, I am able to keep some perspective and realize that, no, the referees are not out to get Portland. That, no, Portland does not get screwed by refs on a weekly basis. And that, no, the game was not as one-sided as some of the crybabies on this board would claim it was.

Ed O.

 

[illmatic99]

The same one as everyone else. Unlike many of you, I am able to keep some perspective and realize that, no, the referees are not out to get Portland. That, no, Portland does not get screwed by refs on a weekly basis. And that, no, the game was not as one-sided as some of the crybabies on this board would claim it was.

Ed O.

Perspective, my ass. I didn't mention anywhere that they were "out to get Portland." I am just bitching about a missed call that went against my team. That last call against Rudy was a blatant mistake and had a major impact on the outcome of the game.

 

[maxiep]

The same one as everyone else. Unlike many of you, I am able to keep some perspective and realize that, no, the referees are not out to get Portland. That, no, Portland does not get screwed by refs on a weekly basis. And that, no, the game was not as one-sided as some of the crybabies on this board would claim it was.

Ed O.

I can't recall the last time I've discussed the refs. It's not being a crybaby discussing the poor officiating. Maggette was rewarded for flopping. GO didn't get at least three calls because he was so strong he just powered through the contact. Rudy's call was complete BS and the T was just silly.

You're not appearing reasonable by disagreeing with us and questioning our motives, Ed. Rather, you're appearing like you need glasses.

 

[PapaG]

I can't recall the last time I've discussed the refs. It's not being a crybaby discussing the poor officiating. Maggette was rewarded for flopping. GO didn't get at least three calls because he was so strong he just powered through the contact. Rudy's call was complete BS and the T was just silly.

You're not appearing reasonable by disagreeing with us and questioning our motives, Ed. Rather, you're appearing like you need glasses.

The community's biggest known contrarian selected as a mod before the mass exodus from BBF. An interesting social experiment. Let's see how it works...

 

[MARIS61]

3rd time I've emailed a complaint about refs in the last year.

 

[LittleAlex]

Yup we got pretty screwed by the refs. It doesn't help that we went 20 for 29 at the line while they shot 33 for 35. They normally shoot 75%, so that was pretty weird.

It also doesn't help that LA did his best Dirk imitation. Do you mean to tell me he can't just turn and shoot over Maggetty? He did do that once. 4pts and 4 rebounds is not going to get it done. Frankly, the play of LA tonight disgusted me. If your big, play big but not stupid. LA played like he was too small to be on the floor. Don't think for one second other teams are going to watch this tape and do the same thing to him if they can. He doesn't figure this kind of crap out and he can kiss dreams of being an all-star good bye.

Even with the refs calling the game absurdly tight, we still could have won the game. Unfortunately our point guards coated their hands with butter before the game. The only three players who actually played even reasonably well were Roy, Oden and Priz. Everyone else was poor to horrid.

It was one game where I kind of thought maybe DNPiago should have gotten some run.

Even though the loss makes me mad, Oden played exactly like he should against a small team. He bullied them around on offense and forced them to move their big men out to the 3point line on defense. Unfortunately not one other player out there with him crashed the boards.

 

[Tince]

The same one as everyone else. Unlike many of you, I am able to keep some perspective and realize that, no, the referees are not out to get Portland. That, no, Portland does not get screwed by refs on a weekly basis. And that, no, the game was not as one-sided as some of the crybabies on this board would claim it was.

Ed O.

I'm with you that the game wasn't one-sided. As long as you don't try to justify the last call then I think you make some good points. There is no way you can defend a call where the ref makes a guess at a call because he is out of position and makes an assumption based on something he clearly couldn't see.

Two rules I was taught as a ref:

1) Right call, right place, right time. Make a good call, while in position, and make it in a timely manner. This ref was 1 for 3 here, he made a bad call, out of position, but right on time.

2) Trust your partner(s), if you don't see it, don't call it. He clearly violated this rule. Despite what many people think, refs don't have certain calls or players depending what area you're in. If you're at half court but you see a foul under the hoop, you call it. Likewise, if you're under the hoop, and you are blocked out, but there might have been a foul, you can't call it. You need to see it call it.

If you can call a game following those two rules, it's difficult for the players, coaches, and fans to be mad at you. Worst case scenario, you miss a call, go over to the coach and say you may have missed it, you were out of position, and you're going to do your best to make sure you're in position next time. Usually coaches will respect for admitting you might be wrong, but you'll do your very best to make sure it doesn't happen again.

 

[Haakzilla]

You're not appearing reasonable by disagreeing with us and questioning our motives, Ed. Rather, you're appearing like you need glasses.

...or maybe he, too, is trying out to become the next great NBA ref!!!

 

[STOMP]

The same one as everyone else. Unlike many of you, I am able to keep some perspective and realize that, no, the referees are not out to get Portland. That, no, Portland does not get screwed by refs on a weekly basis. And that, no, the game was not as one-sided as some of the crybabies on this board would claim it was.

condescend much... geez.

I just got back from the game and am not surprised that there are several threads on how badly the game was officiated. Just horrible. Waaaaaaay too many calls and of course most of the ticky tacs went against the visitors. The worst of this embarrassment was Maggette's flop machine act vs Aldridge... wasn't that going to be a finable tactic this year? The way the 1st quarter went I was pretty sure I was going to be witnessing a loss. It had that Donaghy stink all over it.

One thing I'd disagree with the sentiment of what I've read on the board is that Rudy did deserve the Tech at the end. He was badgering the official (following what appeared to be a terrible call) in an open way that usually gets rung up.

On the positive end of things as a hoops fan, Greg was looked impressive and that last Travis dunk was picture perfect. The crowd was going nuts for Morrow... dude's shot is super smooth and he looks like he has complete confidence.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

The community's biggest known contrarian selected as a mod before the mass exodus from BBF. An interesting social experiment. Let's see how it works...

your constantly calling out the mods is misguided. They aren't flexing their super mod powers, they're just posting while you're just bitching

STOMP

 

[C_note]

I sent an e-mail too

PS. I agree Michael Holton is the worst commentator/analyst ever. He makes Jon Barry look like Chris Fucking Berman.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Get off of Holton's back.

 

[Run BJM]

Officiating was probably lopsided toward GS, I will say that. There were a few blocks/charges that were tossups or just bad calls that went GS' way.

Worst call of the night was definitely the 'foul' that Brandan Wright picked up when contesting a Brandon Roy jumpshot. Roy got two free FTs and Wright had to leave the game after a solid start. Also when Morrow dove for a ball, Oden dove on top of him and knocked the ball out then held him down on the floor so that Rudy (I think it was Rudy maybe it was Outlaw or someone else?) could scoop it up. Again, GS probably got the edge but there were some blatant crappy calls/missed calls both ways.

Ultimately both teams had a chance to win. Aldridge could have been a lot smarter in taking advantage of his size, dunno why he didn't go back to that fadeaway jumper out of the post. Brandon Roy missed some tough layups that he usually makes, especially the crunch time ones. Plus he only took 14 shots. GS had a great night shooting FTs but Portland also had an insane 3 pt % that kept them in the game.

 

[MickZagger]

One of the guys I work with told me that the line for this game moved "suspiciously" (as he called it)

He didn't bet on it but I live in Vegas and tons of people here do, so he just thought I should know that we were in for trouble.

How the line moved and why, I don't really know but I thought it was bullshit when he told me to not be surprised if we lost.

It did mysteriously move. But, most spreads move according to the amount of bets they are getting for a certain team. I bet on the game on Monday when the spread was Golden State -1. I checked the spread of the game before tip off and it was Blazers -2. Its a bit of jump in a period of a day, but nothing monumental that I've never seen before. I lost that bet, but luckily I won my Gonzaga bet to even it out.

 

[Paxil]

I didn't notice anything funky about the refs but the last call and T were weak. The ref was expecting an intentional foul. Not sure he was in position to see what we saw with the jersey. The T was kinda quick too wasn't it? Espcially being the end of the game and all.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Get off of Holton's back.

I'll get off his back once he gets off of Blazer broadcasts - his insight is terrible, his personality is nonexistant and when he laughs at his own poor attempts at humor it's beyond annoying.

 

[e_blazer]

The refs blew some major calls, without a doubt. That last "foul" on Aldridge where his feet were half a foot outside of the restricted area was especially nice. However, when you blow 9 freethrows and turn the ball over 21 times, it's pretty tough to lay the blame on the refs.

 

[BatumKaboom]

Not like it will do any good, but I actually did send them an email. Maybe if enough of us do it, it might at least prompt them to give those officials one less gold star on their annual review.

What a fucking joke.

-Pop

I wrote them too.

 

[axs88]

However, when you blow 9 freethrows and turn the ball over 21 times, it's pretty tough to lay the blame on the refs.

Well, offensive fouls count as TOs so if you wanna blame the refs you can blame them for a good share of the TOs, too.

 

[gatorpops]

The officiating seemed just fine to me. Should I send an email, too?

Ed O.

That depends. How much had you been drinking? They tell me that may influence sight at times.


g

 

[gatorpops]

The refs blew some major calls, without a doubt. That last "foul" on Aldridge where his feet were half a foot outside of the restricted area was especially nice. However, when you blow 9 freethrows and turn the ball over 21 times, it's pretty tough to lay the blame on the refs.

Actually some of the turn overs could have been called fouls on GS instead. However Portland lost the game, not that the refs took it away. We did not play very well.

g

 

[Foulzilla]

The officiating was kinda poor, but on both ends. I don't think there was any sort of bias going on here for the most part. The foul on Rudy at the end was a bad call, but I can live with bad calls. A team shouldn't let themselves get into a situation where one bad call loses them the game anyways.

I do think the Tech was completely uncalled for however. I've seen plenty of players get away with much worse then what Rudy did. Particularly in such a crucial moment of the game. That was ridiculous.

 

[Masbee]

I'm with you that the game wasn't one-sided. As long as you don't try to justify the last call then I think you make some good points. There is no way you can defend a call where the ref makes a guess at a call because he is out of position and makes an assumption based on something he clearly couldn't see.

Two rules I was taught as a ref:

1) Right call, right place, right time. Make a good call, while in position, and make it in a timely manner. This ref was 1 for 3 here, he made a bad call, out of position, but right on time.

2) Trust your partner(s), if you don't see it, don't call it. He clearly violated this rule. Despite what many people think, refs don't have certain calls or players depending what area you're in. If you're at half court but you see a foul under the hoop, you call it. Likewise, if you're under the hoop, and you are blocked out, but there might have been a foul, you can't call it. You need to see it call it.

If you can call a game following those two rules, it's difficult for the players, coaches, and fans to be mad at you. Worst case scenario, you miss a call, go over to the coach and say you may have missed it, you were out of position, and you're going to do your best to make sure you're in position next time. Usually coaches will respect for admitting you might be wrong, but you'll do your very best to make sure it doesn't happen again.

As I was watching the play, I thought right away that the official who blew the whistle was not in a good position to call a foul on Rudy. I don't know if Rudy (or Morrow for that matter) fouled early or not - it sure looked like mutual and incidental contact between two players jockeying for position. Not something that should ever be called a foul on either side.

Then, Rudy gained an advantage - not because he held Morrow - but because he anticipated where the pass was going and got the jump on Morrow. No unfair advantage = no foul call.

If the other official didn't call a foul on Rudy, he shouldn't have. Why did he call a foul he couldn't see? Had he swallowed his whistle, the obvious clear-path foul on Morrow would have been an easy call as that was actually visible to all the refs being such a blatant foul.

 

[number 10]

any pictures of that last "foul" on Rudy?

anyone?

 

[maxiep]

anyone?

According to Quick, Rudy had a scratch on his chest from where Morrow grabbed him. That's proof enough for me.

 

[Masbee]

According to Quick, Rudy had a scratch on his chest from where Morrow grabbed him. That's proof enough for me.

That is proof that a foul happened.

That is NOT proof that:

1) it was the first foul, or

2) that any official was in position to see the foul on Rudy.

So, you still have to look at the entire sequence to figure out what should have been called/not called.

 

[BlazersBlood]

I partially agree with Ed. The reffing wasn't completely one sided. Roy got bailed out a few times, Oden travelled a couple of times that didn't get called, and...well those were some of the only calls we benefited from.

The final minute of the game was ridiculously one sided though. Rudy got hammered on the layup, Rudy got held on that last play, & the T was unnecessary at the time. Those were all backbreakers in a tight game.

 

[STOMP]

The refs blew some major calls, without a doubt. That last "foul" on Aldridge where his feet were half a foot outside of the restricted area was especially nice. However, when you blow 9 freethrows and turn the ball over 21 times, it's pretty tough to lay the blame on the refs.

I wouldn't lay the blame for a loss on any one thing but I definitely think the crappy officiating was pretty slanted against the Blazers especially in the final minutes. They could have won despite it, but it was a factor.

Bob Delaney is on the radar

STOMP

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I wouldn't lay the blame for a loss on any one thing but I definitely think the crappy officiating was pretty slanted against the Blazers especially in the final minutes. They could have won despite it, but it was a factor.

Bob Delaney is on the radar

STOMP

Wasn't Delany the guy who had mob ties, I smell something fishy j/k

 

[bobf]

2) Trust your partner(s), if you don't see it, don't call it. He clearly violated this rule. Despite what many people think, refs don't have certain calls or players depending what area you're in. If you're at half court but you see a foul under the hoop, you call it. Likewise, if you're under the hoop, and you are blocked out, but there might have been a foul, you can't call it. You need to see it call it.

This is my primary gripe with WWNBA refs. They call fouls based on appearances of what they think must have happened, whether they see it or not.

I remember once Pippen ran out at a 3 point shooter but was way too late. Pippen swiped at the shot but his hand never got within 8 inches of the shooter nor did Pippen even brush him after the shot. At first no foul was called, but when the shot fell a foot short of the rim, the ref blew his whistle because, well, It MUST HAVE BEEN a foul.