It will be easier to make trades this summer

[Natebishop3]

CJ will no longer be a poison pill contract.

Crabbe will no longer have veto powers (not sure about the trade kicker, if that carries over.)

We could trade Crabbe to Brooklyn in July.

We will have a better idea of where our picks fall.

I could see us making a trade before, or during, the draft.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Just because Brooklyn previously was interested in Crabbe doesn't mean they will be this summer.

 

[Natebishop3]

Just because Brooklyn previously was interested in Crabbe doesn't mean they will be this summer.

It's just one more thing that changes this summer. We currently can't trade him to Brooklyn.

 

[tester551]

CJ will no longer be a poison pill contract.

Crabbe will no longer have veto powers (not sure about the trade kicker, if that carries over.)

We could trade Crabbe to Brooklyn in July.

We will have a better idea of where our picks fall.

I could see us making a trade before, or during, the draft.

Although the points you make are true, it doesn't change the fact that we still have vastly over-paid players and no cap flexibility. I'm not holding my breath on this. We're in a BIG DEEP hole, and it's going to take a lot of little moves & time to get out of it.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Just because Brooklyn previously was interested in Crabbe doesn't mean they will be this summer.

They've decided to go young since then, so the likelihood that they'll be interested actually increases.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Although the points you make are true, it doesn't change the fact that we still have vastly over-paid players and no cap flexibility. I'm not holding my breath on this. We're in a BIG DEEP hole, and it's going to take a lot of little moves & time to get out of it.

We would have had 0 flexibility anyways

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We would have had 0 flexibility anyways

space and flexibility are two vastly different things.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

They've decided to go young since then, so the likelihood that they'll be interested actually increases.

Nets aren't above making stupid deals, I just doubt the will save us from ours.

 

[Natebishop3]

Although the points you make are true, it doesn't change the fact that we still have vastly over-paid players and no cap flexibility. I'm not holding my breath on this. We're in a BIG DEEP hole, and it's going to take a lot of little moves & time to get out of it.

You guys keep acting like the money would have still be there if we had waited.

Dame's contract was about to kick in.

CJ's contract was going to kick in this summer.

The money was "use it or lose it." It was our one chance to add rotation pieces without giving up assets. Turner is not a bad player, and I really don't think he's that overpaid in the current market. Harkless and Meyers are on reasonable contracts for bench players in this market. Crabbe is overpaid for a bench player, but if someone values him as a starter, his contract isn't that unreasonable in this current market.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Nets aren't above making stupid deals, I just doubt the will save us from ours.

lol, let's just wait and see what KCP gets this summer.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

space and flexibility are two vastly different things.

He said cap flexibility....which is space in this context

 

[Cippy91]

Neil kinda pointed towards using their picks for players as opposed to trade because he takes all this fucking pride in developing guys

 

[Minstrel]

They've decided to go young since then, so the likelihood that they'll be interested actually increases.

I'm not sure about that. I'd think that part of their big offer to Crabbe was an expectation that he was a break-out candidate. After another season with no real improvement in his game, they may be less willing to gamble on a big jump forward.

 

[Scalma]

CJ will no longer be a poison pill contract.

Crabbe will no longer have veto powers (not sure about the trade kicker, if that carries over.)

We could trade Crabbe to Brooklyn in July.

We will have a better idea of where our picks fall.

I could see us making a trade before, or during, the draft.

Get out of here with your logic.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I'm not sure about that. I'd think that part of their big offer to Crabbe was an expectation that he was a break-out candidate. After another season with no real improvement in his game, they may be less willing to gamble on a big jump forward.

Maybe. Or, maybe top 5 shooters in the league don't grow on trees, especially young ones.

 

[santeesioux]

Neil kinda pointed towards using their picks for players as opposed to trade because he takes all this fucking pride in developing guys

The next gm will like developing Neil's guys.

 

[Minstrel]

You guys keep acting like the money would have still be there if we had waited.

Dame's contract was about to kick in.

CJ's contract was going to kick in this summer.

The money was "use it or lose it."

We've already seen that that's not true. Portland couldn't have kept Plumlee because of those deals, whereas they could have in the absence of them. It also prevented Portland from being serious players for Noel, because there's no way they could afford to extend him. Now, I do think Olshey made a good trade with Plumlee, but the idea that the space between the cap and luxury tax is "use it or lose it, so it's okay to completely waste it" is not true.

It was our one chance to add rotation pieces without giving up assets. Turner is not a bad player, and I really don't think he's that overpaid in the current market. Harkless and Meyers are on reasonable contracts for bench players in this market. Crabbe is overpaid for a bench player, but if someone values him as a starter, his contract isn't that unreasonable in this current market.

The "current market" is over. Analysts like Zach Lowe have been saying that teams over-leveraged (like, uh, one team we know) and are now scrambling to cut costs because they can't afford to sign their own impending free agents. The cap is barely going up, many fewer teams will have major cap space. Last season was unusual and created a bubble--contracts like Crabbe's, Turner's and Leonard's are the equivalent of stock in tech start-ups that were all hype. They're not going to suddenly start looking better with time.

 

[tester551]

He said cap flexibility....which is space in this context

Actually, no it's not. You don't have to have cap space to have cap flexibility. When you are within $1M of the tax line, you have no flexibility under the CBA (with what the owner is willing to spend).

 

[Blazinaway]

Nets aren't above making stupid deals, I just doubt the will save us from ours.

they will probably throw da max at Noel and make Cuban pay up

 

[Blazinaway]

We've already seen that that's not true. Portland couldn't have kept Plumlee because of those deals, whereas they could have in the absence of them. It also prevented Portland from being serious players for Noel, because there's no way they could afford to extend him. Now, I do think Olshey made a good trade with Plumlee, but the idea that the space between the cap and luxury tax is "use it or lose it, so it's okay to completely waste it" is not true.



The "current market" is over. Analysts like Zach Lowe have been saying that teams over-leveraged (like, uh, one team we know) and are now scrambling to cut costs because they can't afford to sign their own impending free agents. The cap is barely going up, many fewer teams will have major cap space. Last season was unusual and created a bubble--contracts like Crabbe's, Turner's and Leonard's are the equivalent of stock in tech start-ups that were all hype. They're not going to suddenly start looking better with time.

very well said and I agree

 

[Blazinaway]

Maybe. Or, maybe top 5 shooters in the league don't grow on trees, especially young ones.

he's such a great shooter yet only avgs 10 pts a game in 28.5 minutes, color me NOT imppressed

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We've already seen that that's not true. Portland couldn't have kept Plumlee because of those deals, whereas they could have in the absence of them. It also prevented Portland from being serious players for Noel, because there's no way they could afford to extend him. Now, I do think Olshey made a good trade with Plumlee, but the idea that the space between the cap and luxury tax is "use it or lose it, so it's okay to completely waste it" is not true.



The "current market" is over. Analysts like Zach Lowe have been saying that teams over-leveraged (like, uh, one team we know) and are now scrambling to cut costs because they can't afford to sign their own impending free agents. The cap is barely going up, many fewer teams will have major cap space. Last season was unusual and created a bubble--contracts like Crabbe's, Turner's and Leonard's are the equivalent of stock in tech start-ups that were all hype. They're not going to suddenly start looking better with time.

I heard what Zach Lowe said, but no one knows if he's right. We'll find out in August.

Also, I'd like someone to list some numbers. What's midlevel going to be, $8.5M (a figure I heard someone throw out)? If so, that's not much higher than what Biebs and Harkless are being paid, and it's more than Davis and Aminu.

 

[tester551]

You guys keep acting like the money would have still be there if we had waited.

Dame's contract was about to kick in.

CJ's contract was going to kick in this summer.

The money was "use it or lose it." It was our one chance to add rotation pieces without giving up assets. Turner is not a bad player, and I really don't think he's that overpaid in the current market. Harkless and Meyers are on reasonable contracts for bench players in this market. Crabbe is overpaid for a bench player, but if someone values him as a starter, his contract isn't that unreasonable in this current market.

NO is one of the ones who set the market. That is a dangerous place to be.
Also, I agree that Turner is not a bad player, but OVERPAID. Also, Harkless is on a reasonable contract.

However, in no way is Meyers or Crabbe worth the contracts they got last summer.... without even considering this years' crap fest. Even as a starter, Crabbe is significantly OVERPAID.

 

[Minstrel]

Maybe. Or, maybe top 5 shooters in the league don't grow on trees, especially young ones.

Shooting is more than raw percentage on wide-open shots. The moment there's any defender within five feet of him, he's unwilling to pull to trigger because he doesn't feel comfortable with shots that are at all contested. He's also mostly (but not entirely) a spot-up shooter. He has some ability to come off screens and hit shots, but he's not a major threat. A spot-up shooter who needs to be wide open and doesn't do anything else well (and is especially bad on defense) is not that valuable. He needs that big jump in his game to be a decent NBA starter or to come close to deserving what he's paid.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

he's such a great shooter yet only avgs 10 pts a game in 28.5 minutes, color me NOT imppressed

Kyle Korver has average 10.0 PPG for his career. This year, he's averaging 10.1. It doesn't matter whether you or I are impressed or not. It only matters if he is tradeable. I'm optimistic, but I understand that not everyone is.
However, to make it sound like optimism here is foolhearty is untenable.

 

[Natebishop3]

We've already seen that that's not true. Portland couldn't have kept Plumlee because of those deals, whereas they could have in the absence of them. It also prevented Portland from being serious players for Noel, because there's no way they could afford to extend him. Now, I do think Olshey made a good trade with Plumlee, but the idea that the space between the cap and luxury tax is "use it or lose it, so it's okay to completely waste it" is not true.



The "current market" is over. Analysts like Zach Lowe have been saying that teams over-leveraged (like, uh, one team we know) and are now scrambling to cut costs because they can't afford to sign their own impending free agents. The cap is barely going up, many fewer teams will have major cap space. Last season was unusual and created a bubble--contracts like Crabbe's, Turner's and Leonard's are the equivalent of stock in tech start-ups that were all hype. They're not going to suddenly start looking better with time.

 

[Blazinaway]

You guys keep acting like the money would have still be there if we had waited.

Dame's contract was about to kick in.

CJ's contract was going to kick in this summer.

The money was "use it or lose it." It was our one chance to add rotation pieces without giving up assets. Turner is not a bad player, and I really don't think he's that overpaid in the current market. Harkless and Meyers are on reasonable contracts for bench players in this market. Crabbe is overpaid for a bench player, but if someone values him as a starter, his contract isn't that unreasonable in this current market.

sorry but that's a crock, Meyers is simply a bad player at any price - especially a 40 mil yr deal, ET is overpaid by at least 4-5 mil, Carbbe is overpaid big time. We have our two best players who are guards who will combined make about 50 mil per starting nest season, with that known you simply can't then pay decent rotation players the kind of money we threw at them last summer - you just cannot, and we are finding out it just does not work

 

[tester551]

Plumlee was our 3rd best player & it wasn't even close. I'd rather pay him $18M than Crabbe $18M.

 

[Minstrel]

But I thought "it's stupid to let 'assets' go for nothing" which is why it was absolutely crucial Portland overpaid Crabbe and Meyers?

Have a meme to resolve that?

 

[Blazinaway]

and d

Kyle Korver has average 10.0 PPG for his career. This year, he's averaging 10.1. It doesn't matter whether you or I are impressed or not. It only matters if he is tradeable. I'm optimistic, but I understand that not everyone is.
However, to make it sound like optimism here is foolhearty is untenable.

and did Kyle Korver ever make the kind of money Crabbe is making in ANY CBA environment? He made SIX mil per the past 4 years - as a % of the cap that is WAY less then Crabbe gets - do the math