It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (mine)

[PapaG]

I agree 100%. If Oden wants a new start, he holds all of the cards.

Getting his happiness back may well be more important to him than some extra money from the Blazers holding his Bird rights.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2011/05/canzano_who_will_have_heartach.html

I've heard it said that the 7-foot center owes Portland for picking him. That he should grant the Blazers respect for seeing him through. After all, his four seasons have netted a total of 82 games played and loads of frustration. But the Blazers cast a significant blow here, embarrassing Oden by not granting him his rookie contract extension last October.

Oden became the first No. 1 overall selection since Kwame Brown to suffer that public humiliation. Portland figured this to be a shrewd business move. Wait, see if there's interest, and you can always lock him up long term. In this, the Blazers underestimated a key factor -- Camp Oden's damaged pride.

Nailed it. Has Canzano been reading my posts on this board for the past season?

 

[julius]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Money talks, and bullshit walks.

Greg can't be arrogant enough to think he's earned a big contract extension or having his rookie contract extended. He's had 1 good season (over 1 1/4 seasons), and missed two whole complete seasons. He hasn't earned a guaranteed contract yet.

I hope they keep him and I hope he is excited to play here. While he does hold the cards, so to speak, he has to see it from the Blazers point of view. I don't think he's saying (as many here seem to openly speculate) "I'm out of here", as much as he's saying "I have some say in this too."

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

While I disagree with Canzano's assertion that the Blazers somehow dissed Oden, I fully agree with Greg saying that he holds all of the cards; if he wants a fresh start who could blame him? Whatever happens it would be pretty hard for me to question his decision.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

He absolutely owes us, IMO. All the resources the organization has put in to his constant rehabilitation by itself makes him owe us. So much time, money, coaching and effort has been put in to Greg. He owes the Blazers. He owes us. No doubt about it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

It all comes down to if Oden wants to gamble that he will be injury free this next season.

His agents will tell him to sign with the 4yrs/$40mill with Portland this year. It's the safest and smartest move to make for him. He's still young, he can leave or even demand a trade in a couple of years if he is really that unhappy here but with his injury history the best move is to take as much money as possible without having to prove he's worth it.

That means staying in Portland.

 

[julius]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

The thing is, IF he signs with Portland he'll probably get more money and a longer guaranteed contract (at least, if I was the GM of another team I wouldn't give him anything longer than 3 years).

AND if he has a healthy season, he could then get traded if he so wanted.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

He absolutely owes us, IMO. All the resources the organization has put in to his constant rehabilitation by itself makes him owe us. So much time, money, coaching and effort has been put in to Greg. He owes the Blazers. He owes us. No doubt about it.

The notion that he owes anyone anything is silly to me. He's not a child, we made him the number 1 pick. We gave him the contract. If it's perfectly legal for him to go and play somewhere else, then there's no reason he can't make that decision. Dragging emotions into this is just unnecessary.

Plus, it's not like he wouldn't have gotten the same amount of resources from another team.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

He absolutely owes us, IMO. All the resources the organization has put in to his constant rehabilitation by itself makes him owe us. So much time, money, coaching and effort has been put in to Greg. He owes the Blazers. He owes us. No doubt about it.

The resources the team put into the rehabs were to try to realize a dividend from the contract they gave him, not a gift they gave Oden out of the goodness of their hearts. The team tried to give him the best chance to succeed and Oden tried his best to succeed. That's what each side "owed" the other and both made good, as far as I'm concerned. I want him to stay, but I'm not going to view him as lacking ethics if he decides to go elsewhere when he's an unrestricted free agent.

 

[glazeduck]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Either we retain Greg at a price we're comfortable with or we'll sign and trade him, netting a decent return for a questionable investment.

Either way we'll come out of his restricted Free Agency with some modicum of control.

 

[roywonder07]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Question is, "If he takes another offer from a different team...do we boo him?" Personally I would, because he's been such a disappointment and to quit on the franchise when we invested so much into him. How would you guys react in his first game back to the Garden if he's in another uniform?

 

[mercykersey]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I agree 100%. If Oden wants a new start, he holds all of the cards.

Getting his happiness back may well be more important to him than some extra money from the Blazers holding his Bird rights.

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2011/05/canzano_who_will_have_heartach.html



Nailed it. Has Canzano been reading my posts on this board for the past season?

Wasnt that you saying he was a bust and his career was over after his last injury?

 

[PapaG]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Wasnt that you saying he was a bust and his career was over after his last injury?

No, that wasn't me.

 

[PapaG]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Either we retain Greg at a price we're comfortable with or we'll sign and trade him, netting a decent return for a questionable investment.Either way we'll come out of his restricted Free Agency with some modicum of control.

Why would a team that could sign him as a UFA want to give the Blazers something in return if they don't have to do it?

I think that this is more than an either/or option.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Question is, "If he takes another offer from a different team...do we boo him?" Personally I would, because he's been such a disappointment and to quit on the franchise when we invested so much into him. How would you guys react in his first game back to the Garden if he's in another uniform?

I won't react. If he decides it's in his best interest to move on, then I'll trust that he knows what's best for him. Being a drafted player shouldn't be indentured servitude. The only way I would feel compelled to boo him is if he held an elaborate dog and pony show on ESPN to announce that he's taking his talents to Lake Michigan.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Portland will offer him the QO. If we don't sign him to a long term deal by trade deadline 2012, he will be traded. We WONT lose him for nothing.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Why would a team that could sign him as a UFA want to give the Blazers something in return if they don't have to do it?

A team that doesn't have cap space to sign him as an UFA could be interested in a sign-and-trade.

 

[glazeduck]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

Why would a team that could sign him as a UFA want to give the Blazers something in return if they don't have to do it?

I think that this is more than an either/or option.

He won't be an UFA. We'll tender him and allow him to shop for offers.

Once he inevitably receives one, we'll decide whether he's more valuable to retain (I'm guessing 80% likely) or if we'll let him go.

On your either/or option, you could be right if a team w/ cap space wants to use their space on Greg. That said, given the likely FA market and scarce # of teams under the cap, there's a VERY good chance that Greg's offer will either be from a team over the cap (AKA they'd NEED to do a S&T) OR it'll be a MLE offer, which I think we'd gladly match.

Beyond that, we'll have the ability to communicate with GO to gauge what his desires are. If he wants to stay it's a no-brainer. If he wants to leave, then we negotiate a S&T.

Pretty simple roster management. The only way we lose him for nothing is if a team w/ a lot of caproom offers him a huge deal that we won't match. Even then (see: Miami signing LBJ last offseason) I think we S&T him. Even if it's just for draft picks & a big trade exception, we'll get something for him.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I feel Oden is gone... In the playoff games he showed no emotion for his team and many observed him not even paying attention. Not a great sign of a guy who wants to be here, or wants a team built around him. Don't be shocked if he takes any offer out of here! Greg doesn't show any heart and as for people who have been around this guy in Ptown, he also shows very little class!

With the Blazers luck he'll be picked up by Boston and he'll win three championships for them! HAHA!

 

[magnifier661]

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Send him to the Lakers. If his heart is not in Portland, then tell him to take a hike. Us fans have supported him throughout all his injuries, and if he wants to piss on us, then piss on him. Let the Lakers worry about his fragile ego and pride.

 

[maxiep]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

If he leaves for less or equal money, he'd be Judas, plainly and simply. I'd hold a sign up with a pinwheel next to it at any basketball game I saw him at.

 

[magnifier661]

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If he leaves for less or equal money, he'd be Judas, plainly and simply. I'd hold a sign up with a pinwheel next to it at any basketball game I saw him at.

I would wish that he has an injury filled career. I will wish the Karma Police fucks him hard. If he leaves without giving us anything in return. He will be a PIECE OF SHIT!

 

[maxiep]

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For the record, if he asks to leave via a sign and trade, I'd rather we let him walk for nothing and save the cap space. Force him to put his money where his mouth is.

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

For the record, if he asks to leave via a sign and trade, I'd rather we let him walk for nothing and save the cap space. Force him to put his money where his mouth is.

I'd like to sign him to an outrageous offer, then ship him to Cleveland. And on his luggage I would write "Have a wonderful career traitor!"

 

[Sug]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I would have no problem with a sign & trade as long as we were getting quality back.

 

[magnifier661]

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I would have no problem with a sign & trade as long as we were getting quality back.

You know damn well that won't happen. But it has happened. Denver became a better team after the Melo trade. This whole thing just makes me sick. We have been waiting for Oden for over 3 years, then we may get the opportunity to and he may want to bolt? And to top it off; doesn't care if we get left behind with nothing in return? God this reminds me so much of Orlando and Shaq. At least with Shaq; they had playoff success and a full career. We've seen only 80 games in 3+ years.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

God this reminds me so much of Orlando and Shaq.

I don't understand why you keep bringing up Orlando and Shaq. What do you feel Shaq "owed" Orlando? Do you feel no player should be allowed to leave in free agency once their rookie contract is up?

 

[magnifier661]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

I don't understand why you keep bringing up Orlando and Shaq. What do you feel Shaq "owed" Orlando? Do you feel no player should be allowed to leave in free agency once their rookie contract is up?

There is no law that forces people to stay were they are. There is no law that factors the amount of support that person has in the community. There is no law that prevents a player to leave a team that 100% supported them and get nothing in return.

Does it make it morally right? Is there a law that prevents an employer to fire their best employee that brang in millions of dollars for their company? Flipping this around and let's say We signed Greg to a 5 year 100 mil contract. Whoohoo Max money! YAY! Let's say he gives us a 25/15/3 stat line and win a couple titles! GO BLAZERS!!!! Then one year, Allen and Co. wants Durrant. Just think the stress of having to feed a 300 lbs monster is a bit stressful. So they work a deal to send Oden to OKC for Durrant and win titles, while OKC is one and done.

Guess we could just send a letter to Oden's agent... Hey man there ain't no law that forces us not to, good luck in OKC.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: It's not their move, it's my move. Everyone says it's their move. I think it's (m

There is no law that forces people to stay were they are. There is no law that factors the amount of support that person has in the community. There is no law that prevents a player to leave a team that 100% supported them and get nothing in return.

Does it make it morally right? Is there a law that prevents an employer to fire their best employee that brang in millions of dollars for their company? Flipping this around and let's say We signed Greg to a 5 year 100 mil contract. Whoohoo Max money! YAY! Let's say he gives us a 25/15/3 stat line and win a couple titles! GO BLAZERS!!!! Then one year, Allen and Co. wants Durrant. Just think the stress of having to feed a 300 lbs monster is a bit stressful. So they work a deal to send Oden to OKC for Durrant and win titles, while OKC is one and done.

Guess we could just send a letter to Oden's agent... Hey man there ain't no law that forces us not to, good luck in OKC.

You never answered my question(s). What do you feel Shaq owed Orlando and do you feel that (morally, not legally) no player should leave through free agency once their rookie contract is finished?

 

[shamelessblazer]

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His value won't get any lower from injuries. We need to sign (match?) him to whatever someone offers this year, get him playing, hope either he's happy & keep him or then trade him to a team that's not going anywhere (Atl, Mem? though they're doing well right now) for another youngish C. Maybe Atlanta would be interested for Horford (that's a big if and Greg needs to be playing well and Atlanta not doing well) but maybe if not we could at least package for smoove and move him a 3 way, or Memphis or something. Maybe even, Chicago, Indiana, or Cleveland for a lot of draft picks or something.

Anyways, all that to say I'd rather wait on it for now, and rather make some minor moves this offseason, maybe make a play for Aaron Brooks somehow (as our backup who splits time with Andre) or something like that.

Perhaps our pick, Rudy, & Mills for a S&T (@3 yr 12 million) Brooks? He might fit well next to Roy as a shooter off the bench, give Andre a lot of rest? Then use next year to let the guys gel and see what we have with Oden.

Miller/Brooks (Johnson)
Matthews/Roy (Williams)
Wallace/Batum (Babbit)
Aldridge/Turiaf?
Camby/Prybilla (Johnson)

seems like a balanced group that's not going far w/o Oden, but could be special w/him (or a replacement in S&T. Turiaf and Pryz are definitely spot minute guys, but might be able to get the job done unless bad injuries and Oden doesn't play. (plus wallace can play some 4).

 

[magnifier661]

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You never answered my question(s). What do you feel Shaq owed Orlando and do you feel that (morally, not legally) no player should leave through free agency once their rookie contract is finished?

There is a way to do it. Sign and trades. Leaving a team and giving them nothing in return is SHIT. Drexler wanted out of Portland to play on a contender. He didn't wait until he became a free-agent and just left. He asked the team to trade him and to a team he felt had the best opportunity to fulfill his dream of winning a title. Same goes for Barkley. As much as I hated seeing Drexler go; I wished him the best. If Oden pulls a Shaq, then I wish him all the injuries, pain and depression that could come his way.