It's official...Warren to the BP

[yankeesince59]

Warren being the seventh inning guy is not a bad move if they can make a move a get another half way decent starter in here before the deadline. Shreve, Warren, Betances and Miller would be one hell of a pen and get back to the time when the Yankees were able to shorten a game considerably.

...I wondered about another starting pitcher acquisition too...but then you run into the same predicament...who else gets bounced out of the the starting rotation?

 

[Rick2583]

..."no guarantee"?...what kind of guarantee do you need? CC doesn't have to prove he can pitch out of the pen. And if he's sent to the pen, can he really do any more harm there than he's already done? If he were to be used out of the pen it would be because there's already a blowout or the starter has already shit the bed or got hurt, as opposed to CC starting and shitting the bed 75% of the time.
...I believe Tim Lincecum was relegated to the BP awhile back.

...and value BP slots?...why is that?...have you looked at the Yanx BP lately?

He not only WAS, he's heading back there again & he's making over $17M this season. He was in the pen during the 2012 WS also & came up big. So if a 2 time Cy young winner can do it Sabathia can also.

 

[Messiah717]

...I wondered about another starting pitcher acquisition too...but then you run into the same predicament...who else gets bounced out of the the starting rotation?

Well first there's the obvious. Tanaka, Pineda and Nova have to stay healthy and effective. Without them is really doesn't matter. Eovaldi while frustrating has the stuff that will continue to intrigue management so I don't see him going anywhere rotation wise. One way or another CC is going to be the odd man out and as has been mentioned it will likely be at first a stint on the DL.

 

[Messiah717]

Then next year while it might seem absurd see if anybody wants Sabathia for a year and pay whatever portion of the salary it takes to unload him. They're on the hook for it all anyway so if they can alleviate even a portion of it while disposing of the headache it would be worth it. See if the Indians want to turn back the clock or something.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I've read about that scenario but can they legally put CC on the DL if there's nothing wrong with him?...or do they simply pretend there is?

...and unless the Yanx can acquire a real difference maker before the trade deadline and if CC is in fact destined for the DL/BP anyway, I'd just as soon keep Warren where he belongs.

 

[yankeesince59]

Then next year while it might seem absurd see if anybody wants Sabathia for a year and pay whatever portion of the salary it takes to unload him. They're on the hook for it all anyway so if they can alleviate even a portion of it while disposing of the headache it would be worth it. See if the Indians want to turn back the clock or something.

...I believe the Yanx are also on the hook for a vested option for 2017 predicated on how much if any time CC spends on the DL next year...plus I think he has a NTC....could be wrong.

 

[Messiah717]

...I've read about that scenario but can they legally put CC on the DL if there's nothing wrong with him?...or do they simply pretend there is?

...and unless the Yanx can acquire a real difference maker before the trade deadline and if CC is in fact destined for the DL/BP anyway, I'd just as soon keep Warren where he belongs.

Can always pretend. Other teams certainly do it. Plus, if checked all these guys would have some inflamation so technically the team doctor wouldn't be lying. I actually just checked to see how Severino was doing in AAA since being promoted. He's 3-0 with a 1.73 era.

 

[Messiah717]

...I believe the Yanx are also on the hook for a vested option for 2017 predicated on how much if any time CC spends on the DL next year...plus I think he has a NTC....could be wrong.

Can buy it out for $5 million which they would almost certainly do.

 

[yankeesince59]

" $25M Vesting Option, $5M Buyout 2017 salary guaranteed if he 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury"

...I'm reading that as quite possibly guaranteed money for 2017...who knows?...that last stipulation seems very odd to me.

 

[Messiah717]

" $25M Vesting Option, $5M Buyout 2017 salary guaranteed if he 1) does not end 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury, 2) does not spend more than 45 days in 2016 on the disabled list with a left shoulder injury or 3) does not make more than six relief appearances in 2016 because of a left shoulder injury"

...I'm reading that as quite possibly guaranteed money for 2017...who knows?...that last stipulation seems very odd to me.

Is it just me or does #3 make no sense?

 

[yankeesince59]

Is it just me or does #3 make no sense?

...lol...great minds, I said the same thing. I mean, if his shoulder is hurt he likely won't be pitching at all, much less in the BP....I also think it's funny that all of the stipulations are directed to his shoulder only...does not address the elbow or any other type of injury.

...and the funny thing is, Cashman probably thought he actually somehow protected the team's investment by having that addendum included in the contract. It's for uber-slick thinking like that which likely prompted the Steins to give him 3 more years.

 

[Messiah717]

...lol...great minds, I said the same thing. I mean, if his shoulder is hurt he likely won't be pitching at all, much less in the BP....I also think it's funny that all of the stipulations are directed to his shoulder only...does not address the elbow or any other type of injury.

...and the funny thing is, Cashman probably thought he actually somehow protected the team's investment by having that addendum included in the contract. It's for uber-slick thinking like that which likely prompted the Steins to give him 3 more years.

Yup, everything related to a left shoulder injury. Who in the hell is the Yankee lawyer who read that one over?

 

[Yankeefan5545]

What is going on with the Big Donkey may be a lesson to learn for the Dodgers if they are following. I see Greinke may pull that opt out clause crap as well. Also noted that Smardjiza was mentioned in that River Avenue Blues Article. The man did not do that well for Oakland, nor for the White Sox for whom he allegedly wanted to be with. It would not surprise if idiot stick pulled off a trade sending Warren away for some broken down nag to be another Team Clown. Fuck the Steins for extending that assholes contract and sympathy to fellow Yankee Fans who have watched this team fail because of Cashmans poor acquisitions. As the old Hank Williams line went "the hide's getting scace:.

 

[mrmel29]

It has seriously gotten to the point now where whenever CC starts a game you could just chalk it up as a loss.

As far as Warren, he deserved a lot better.[/QUOTE

Cant say it any better than that Rick. Since cashman and girardi don't have the balls to call a spade a spade and do whats right for the good of the team it will be left for the fans to boo the shit out of this fat greedy fuck until either management or the player comes to their senses.

 

[cagedlion]

Gutless move. The management is treating
Yankee tradition like bush league mentality.
Their moves are losing the true fan base.

 

[Rick2583]

What I find amazing is that we're not hearing ANYTHING from Girardi. I'd love to know what his feelings are.

 

[yankeesince59]

What I find amazing is that we're not hearing ANYTHING from Girardi. I'd love to know what his feelings are.

...I don't know how he can say anything without throwing Cashman under the bus. The GM and coach don't usually make their real feeling made public.

...then again, I read this earlier;

"Welcome to another episode of "The O.C.," in which Los Angeles Angels general manager Jerry Dipoto and manager Mike Scioscia are not getting along. That's the word on the street from Ken Rosenthal from Fox Sports, who has details about Scioscia's coaching staff openly defying Dipoto's front office -- with slugger Albert Pujols siding with the coaches and against management with a "pointed rebuke."

It actually sounds kind of dramatic -- though you have to wonder how often this kind of thing happens and we don't hear about it. Perhaps not frequently, but more than once a year on more than just one team? There are a lot of egos in place on these teams. Anyway, here's what Rosenthal alleges that nobody will back up on the record:

Dipoto, according to sources, believes that the coaches too often rely on “feel” while teams such as the AL West-leading Astros are at the forefront of incorporating data. The coaches, in turn, seemingly do not trust the information they are given, and either are not willing or able to translate it for the players.

And to that end:

• Dipoto met with Scioscia and his coaching staff on Friday, and the exchange turned contentious when the GM asked the coaches to better communicate to the players scouting reports and statistical information provided by the front office.
• In a separate meeting with the players, coaches and Scioscia on Sunday, Dipoto informed the players that they would now be given the information directly by the front office; they then could decide whether or not to use it.

That meeting, Scioscia told reporters, “was just scouting information, scouting reports ... We're just getting reports to guys a little bit differently than we had before."

• Pujols challenged Dipoto during that second gathering, saying that the coaches are working as hard to prepare the players as they did last season, but that the roster is not as strong as it was a year ago."

 

[Mattingly23NY]

What is going on with the Big Donkey may be a lesson to learn for the Dodgers if they are following. I see Greinke may pull that opt out clause crap as well. Also noted that Smardjiza was mentioned in that River Avenue Blues Article. The man did not do that well for Oakland, nor for the White Sox for whom he allegedly wanted to be with. It would not surprise if idiot stick pulled off a trade sending Warren away for some broken down nag to be another Team Clown. Fuck the Steins for extending that assholes contract and sympathy to fellow Yankee Fans who have watched this team fail because of Cashmans poor acquisitions. As the old Hank Williams line went "the hide's getting scace:.

For the 1st time I'm beginning to see why Greinke would ever want to opt out of his contract, I didn't get it 'til this last June.......in 9 starts, prior to his last one, The Bums had only 13 Runs to show for Greinke's masterful 1.70 ERA, now lower after His last game........

If the Bums can't go to or win a NLCS, I think we may of seen the last of Zach in LA. He has a stipulation as well, to ensure he stays in the NL too. Many have said its cuz he likes hitting, and he is no slouch with a bat, one of the better Pitchers for hitting; this year and those past with His Bat. Hell already this year, I've seen Greinke get the 1st hit in a game, or drive in the 1st run, then get on base himself, and score the winning runs.......time and time again, Zack has been effective lately in trying to win the games on His own alone, with arm and bat.......

I bet Frisco, St. Louis, even perhaps the Cubs and/or Padres, might be teams Greike may be interested in, IMO, whomever wins the NLCS, is the way Zack will lean, imagine the Nats with Greinke, amongst all the other SP's on the Team. Such a move would make the Nats so over laden heavy with great SP's........unlike any NL team, IMO, since the golden years.........

I can't recall any pitcher whose had a better year with a bat, than Greinke's 3.28 B'Avg for 2013........!!!

 

[yankeesince59]

...now there's this, maybe the Steins are paying attention.......NAH ;

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/1...appears-as-los-angeles-angels-general-manager

 

[Rick2583]

No, they still for some ridiculous reason stand by there boy Cashman.