It's Official...

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 11 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, wait, wait, did you just call DX and nbadraft.net a couple of NBA scouts. Are you on Jon G's and Aran's PR staffs?

His nbadraft.net profile hasn't been updated since October 2007 and if you're going to quote it, you should include the weaknesses and outlook as well. As for nbadraft.net's x/10 rankings, lets just say they aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on.

As for DX's profile, saying that they could see someone in an NBA uniform is not the same as seeing him drafted. Currently, they have him projected at pick #45 which is a danger zone for dropping to the bottom of the second or out of it completely on draft night. Especially this early in the process, DX doesn't do a good job of projecting all of the Euro stashes that teams take in the late second round.</div>
I meant, a couple NBA scouting reports. But my point was that all of the mock drafts I've seen have Dorsey getting draft early to mid second. Obviously he could either improve his draft stock by going late first or falling to undrafted.

And I'm not just taking these site's words for it, I've seen Dorsey play 6 to 7 times this year and on the offensive end, yes he does look non-existant at times. But take a team like the Nets, who have had tremendous rebounding and defensive issues this year. If were sitting there with the 10th pick in the second round, and we havn't drafted a big man yet, it would not be a smart move to not draft this kid.

Everything I've read and seen on/from Dorsey, has shown me he is one of the strongest players in the draft and one of the best rebounders. If you disagree with that then that is fine.
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Dorsey is 24 years old and an interior player. I'd be very concerned if he wasn't one of the strongest players. He isn't a great positional rebounder and in the NBA he isn't going to have strength, size and quickness advantages most nights. He's a damn good college rebounder (most nights), but he doesn't translate and project into that good of an NBA rebounder.

I certainly believe that he has a chance to make a team as an undrafted FA, but I don't see any compelling reasons for a team to draft him.
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I looked up every mock draft I could find and 100% of them had Dorsey getting drafted:

http://nbadraft.net/
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm
http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/1205/200...ament_edition)/
http://phsports.blogspot.com/2008/04/phspo...-1st-round.html
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2008/
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba-draft/lan...ft-ar47862.html
http://www.hoopsworld.com/the_draft/FullMockDraft.asp?
http://theloveofsports.com/index.php/site/...a_mock_draft_1/
http://nbadraftpress.com/2008mock.shtml
http://nbadraftguru.blogspot.com/
http://www.federicobuffa.com/
http://www.thesportsbank.net/2008/02/17/nb...aft-by-david-k/

some even had him going first round. So, you obviously have something against the guy if every person in the world thinks Joey Dorsey is going to get drafted. All the those mocks have been updated in the past week, by the way.

http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/NBAMocks.htm

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Apr 11 2008, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Apr 11 2008, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets have issues everywhere. They need to select the best player on the board (regardless of position) for both picks.

-Petey</div>

I think drafting 1 threw 3 is more important then drafting a 4 or 5. We have Sean who should be able to get better over the summer, Krstic who is returning to the old Nenad and with Boone coming on strong this season. We also have Diop off the bench for defense and who knows whats going to happen with Swift. Our power foward and center postions are already clogged up, considering we resign Diop and Krstic. I think we have a bigger need for a combo guard and a small foward.
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I think people need to realize that while we do still have Josh Boone and Sean Williams; Nenad and Diop are free agents that feasibly could end up on different teams at the end of the day. As for Stro...he's trade bait in the offseason. I'm not saying a frontcourt player is a priority...we just need to be open to the idea of best available.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 11 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 11 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, wait, wait, did you just call DX and nbadraft.net a couple of NBA scouts. Are you on Jon G's and Aran's PR staffs?

His nbadraft.net profile hasn't been updated since October 2007 and if you're going to quote it, you should include the weaknesses and outlook as well. As for nbadraft.net's x/10 rankings, lets just say they aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on.

As for DX's profile, saying that they could see someone in an NBA uniform is not the same as seeing him drafted. Currently, they have him projected at pick #45 which is a danger zone for dropping to the bottom of the second or out of it completely on draft night. Especially this early in the process, DX doesn't do a good job of projecting all of the Euro stashes that teams take in the late second round.</div>
I meant, a couple NBA scouting reports. But my point was that all of the mock drafts I've seen have Dorsey getting draft early to mid second. Obviously he could either improve his draft stock by going late first or falling to undrafted.

And I'm not just taking these site's words for it, I've seen Dorsey play 6 to 7 times this year and on the offensive end, yes he does look non-existant at times. But take a team like the Nets, who have had tremendous rebounding and defensive issues this year. If were sitting there with the 10th pick in the second round, and we havn't drafted a big man yet, it would not be a smart move to not draft this kid.

Everything I've read and seen on/from Dorsey, has shown me he is one of the strongest players in the draft and one of the best rebounders. If you disagree with that then that is fine.
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Dorsey is 24 years old and an interior player. I'd be very concerned if he wasn't one of the strongest players. He isn't a great positional rebounder and in the NBA he isn't going to have strength, size and quickness advantages most nights. He's a damn good college rebounder (most nights), but he doesn't translate and project into that good of an NBA rebounder.

I certainly believe that he has a chance to make a team as an undrafted FA, but I don't see any compelling reasons for a team to draft him.
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I looked up every mock draft I could find and 100% of them had Dorsey getting drafted:

http://nbadraft.net/
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm
http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/1205/200...ament_edition)/
http://phsports.blogspot.com/2008/04/phspo...-1st-round.html
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2008/
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba-draft/lan...ft-ar47862.html
http://www.hoopsworld.com/the_draft/FullMockDraft.asp?
http://theloveofsports.com/index.php/site/...a_mock_draft_1/
http://nbadraftpress.com/2008mock.shtml
http://nbadraftguru.blogspot.com/
http://www.federicobuffa.com/
http://www.thesportsbank.net/2008/02/17/nb...aft-by-david-k/

some even had him going first round. So, you obviously have something against the guy if every person in the world thinks Joey Dorsey is going to get drafted. All the those mocks have been updated in the past week, by the way.

http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/NBAMocks.htm
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The vast majority of those mocks are not anything that I respect and not every person in the world thinks Joey Dorsey is going to get drafted. I know several long time and well known draft observers that post at another site that all think he is at best a goon.

I have nothing against Dorsey and am simply evaluating him as an NBA prospect.

As for the value of mocks at this point of the year, last year at this time, Kyle Visser, Bobby Brown, Zabian Dowdell and Mustafa Shakur were all in mock drafts. Guess what, none of them got drafted.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 11 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Joey Dorsey will not go undrafted. I would be willing to put a large wager on that.</div>

A million points. Step up

 

[Joey FistPump]

Joey Dorsey will probably be drafted but in the LATE second round...will he stick in the NBA? Probably not.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 11 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 11 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 11 2008, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, wait, wait, did you just call DX and nbadraft.net a couple of NBA scouts. Are you on Jon G's and Aran's PR staffs?

His nbadraft.net profile hasn't been updated since October 2007 and if you're going to quote it, you should include the weaknesses and outlook as well. As for nbadraft.net's x/10 rankings, lets just say they aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on.

As for DX's profile, saying that they could see someone in an NBA uniform is not the same as seeing him drafted. Currently, they have him projected at pick #45 which is a danger zone for dropping to the bottom of the second or out of it completely on draft night. Especially this early in the process, DX doesn't do a good job of projecting all of the Euro stashes that teams take in the late second round.</div>
I meant, a couple NBA scouting reports. But my point was that all of the mock drafts I've seen have Dorsey getting draft early to mid second. Obviously he could either improve his draft stock by going late first or falling to undrafted.

And I'm not just taking these site's words for it, I've seen Dorsey play 6 to 7 times this year and on the offensive end, yes he does look non-existant at times. But take a team like the Nets, who have had tremendous rebounding and defensive issues this year. If were sitting there with the 10th pick in the second round, and we havn't drafted a big man yet, it would not be a smart move to not draft this kid.

Everything I've read and seen on/from Dorsey, has shown me he is one of the strongest players in the draft and one of the best rebounders. If you disagree with that then that is fine.
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Dorsey is 24 years old and an interior player. I'd be very concerned if he wasn't one of the strongest players. He isn't a great positional rebounder and in the NBA he isn't going to have strength, size and quickness advantages most nights. He's a damn good college rebounder (most nights), but he doesn't translate and project into that good of an NBA rebounder.

I certainly believe that he has a chance to make a team as an undrafted FA, but I don't see any compelling reasons for a team to draft him.
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I looked up every mock draft I could find and 100% of them had Dorsey getting drafted:

http://nbadraft.net/
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/mockdraft.htm
http://www.realgm.com/src_feature/1205/200...ament_edition)/
http://phsports.blogspot.com/2008/04/phspo...-1st-round.html
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2008/
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba/nba-draft/lan...ft-ar47862.html
http://www.hoopsworld.com/the_draft/FullMockDraft.asp?
http://theloveofsports.com/index.php/site/...a_mock_draft_1/
http://nbadraftpress.com/2008mock.shtml
http://nbadraftguru.blogspot.com/
http://www.federicobuffa.com/
http://www.thesportsbank.net/2008/02/17/nb...aft-by-david-k/

some even had him going first round. So, you obviously have something against the guy if every person in the world thinks Joey Dorsey is going to get drafted. All the those mocks have been updated in the past week, by the way.

http://www.dcprosportsreport.com/NBAMocks.htm
</div>

The vast majority of those mocks are not anything that I respect and not every person in the world thinks Joey Dorsey is going to get drafted. I know several long time and well known draft observers that post at another site that all think he is at best a goon.

I have nothing against Dorsey and am simply evaluating him as an NBA prospect.

As for the value of mocks at this point of the year, last year at this time, Kyle Visser, Bobby Brown, Zabian Dowdell and Mustafa Shakur were all in mock drafts. Guess what, none of them got drafted.
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I am not doubting that Joey Dorsey may be a goon, but I would like to see someone's opinion of why he would not be drafted. I have looked everywhere for anything that says he will not be drafted and have not found it.

I understand that you don't think he will be a good pro, and he might not be, but I have looked at about 10 mock drafts and have seen him play, and nothing suggests that he will not be drafted. I am not sure where you get your information from, but I would like to see some sources that back your opinion up.

As for the players you name like Shakur and Bobby Brown
Outlook
Shakur was once heralded as the top point guard in the country coming out of high school, but failed to live up to expectations at Arizona. He showed flashes of brilliance during his time in Tuscon, particularly in this year’s NCAA Tournament, but could really use his senior season at Arizona to iron out the many wrinkles he has in his game. He could be drafted somewhere in the 2nd round based on upside, but is just as likely to go undrafted should he stay in.


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mustafa-Shakur-163/

Outlook
Despite playing for a small team in a small conference, NBA scouts know exactly who Bobby Brown is and come to see him play on a regular basis.

Brown is widely expected to test the waters this year to see where his draft stock lies. He’s without a doubt the type of player that will look great in private workouts as the emphasis on shooting, athleticism and one on one play is tailor made to his style of play.

As a late-bloomer who is still nowhere near being a complete player, Brown will have to consider the pros and cons of coming out early and potentially not getting a lot of minutes to develop or staying at Fullerton and continuing to hone his all-around game at a low-level without much talent around him.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Brown-561/

Doesn't really sound like they were really expected to be drafted. And I highly doubt you can compare a player like Kyle Visser and Zabian Dowdell to a player like Dorsey. Don't you see the difference in the strength, athleticism, and rebounding?

But it's ok, Dorsey will be drafted this spring, in the early to mid second round, and if he's not then I give you permission to bump this thread so I can eat crow.

I would just like you to find something for me that even hints at the chance of Dorsey not getting drafted instead of just telling me so.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 12 2008, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am not doubting that Joey Dorsey may be a goon, but I would like to see someone's opinion of why he would not be drafted. I have looked everywhere for anything that says he will not be drafted and have not found it.

I understand that you don't think he will be a good pro, and he might not be, but I have looked at about 10 mock drafts and have seen him play, and nothing suggests that he will not be drafted. I am not sure where you get your information from, but I would like to see some sources that back your opinion up.

As for the players you name like Shakur and Bobby Brown
Outlook
Shakur was once heralded as the top point guard in the country coming out of high school, but failed to live up to expectations at Arizona. He showed flashes of brilliance during his time in Tuscon, particularly in this year’s NCAA Tournament, but could really use his senior season at Arizona to iron out the many wrinkles he has in his game. He could be drafted somewhere in the 2nd round based on upside, but is just as likely to go undrafted should he stay in.


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mustafa-Shakur-163/

Outlook
Despite playing for a small team in a small conference, NBA scouts know exactly who Bobby Brown is and come to see him play on a regular basis.

Brown is widely expected to test the waters this year to see where his draft stock lies. He’s without a doubt the type of player that will look great in private workouts as the emphasis on shooting, athleticism and one on one play is tailor made to his style of play.

As a late-bloomer who is still nowhere near being a complete player, Brown will have to consider the pros and cons of coming out early and potentially not getting a lot of minutes to develop or staying at Fullerton and continuing to hone his all-around game at a low-level without much talent around him.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Brown-561/

Doesn't really sound like they were really expected to be drafted. And I highly doubt you can compare a player like Kyle Visser and Zabian Dowdell to a player like Dorsey. Don't you see the difference in the strength, athleticism, and rebounding?

But it's ok, Dorsey will be drafted this spring, in the early to mid second round, and if he's not then I give you permission to bump this thread so I can eat crow.

I would just like you to find something for me that even hints at the chance of Dorsey not getting drafted instead of just telling me so.</div>

I'm telling you my opinion of Joey Dorsey. My opinion of him is formed by watching him play. Except for players that I don't get a chance to watch much of, I don't rely on the typed words of others to form my opinion. That isn't to say certain people's opinions that I value won't influence me, but that is a pretty limited group of people.

Dorsey has several things working against him when it comes to getting drafted. The first is his age, the second is his lack of upside and the third is lack of domination. Last year when Al Thornton was drafted as an older player, he at least had a track record of not only improving year to year, but of dominating and carrying his team.

Now those factors when mixed with the large number of players declaring for the draft push him into the middle of the second round. Once in the middle of the second round, the draft becomes very difficult to predict because lots of teams will go for Euro stashes and then look for guys as undrafted free agents.

Back to Shakur, the information you are quoting is not from this time last year. It was written before the 2006 draft. Here is some information from January 2007

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NCAA-W...-Part-One-1510/
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Up until now we’ve been slow to point out the terrific season Shakur is having because of some healthy skepticism as to whether he’d actually keep it up. That has a lot to do with the incredible inconsistency he showed in his first three years at Arizona, and the major question marks we had about his basketball IQ and overall focus. He seems to be answering them so far with flying colors, but we’re only now entering the real meat of the season, so he can’t let up yet. If he keeps playing the way he has so far into the NCAA Tournament, it’s going to be hard to see him falling out of the first round when it’s all said and done. That’s still a long ways away, though.</div>

While all four players that I mentioned are different than Dorsey, the draft isn't just about production in college. It is about projecting upside and NBA success.

Now there are a couple of draft picks from the last draft that give some hope to Dorsey getting picked in the second round. Chris Richards was selected #41, however, that was done purely to give Corey Brewer a buddy in Minnesota. 24 year old Stephane Lasme was selected
#46 and Aaron Gray was selected #49. That is the range Dorsey is looking at, but none of those guys had attitude problems.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 12 2008, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Apr 12 2008, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am not doubting that Joey Dorsey may be a goon, but I would like to see someone's opinion of why he would not be drafted. I have looked everywhere for anything that says he will not be drafted and have not found it.

I understand that you don't think he will be a good pro, and he might not be, but I have looked at about 10 mock drafts and have seen him play, and nothing suggests that he will not be drafted. I am not sure where you get your information from, but I would like to see some sources that back your opinion up.

As for the players you name like Shakur and Bobby Brown
Outlook
Shakur was once heralded as the top point guard in the country coming out of high school, but failed to live up to expectations at Arizona. He showed flashes of brilliance during his time in Tuscon, particularly in this year’s NCAA Tournament, but could really use his senior season at Arizona to iron out the many wrinkles he has in his game. He could be drafted somewhere in the 2nd round based on upside, but is just as likely to go undrafted should he stay in.


http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mustafa-Shakur-163/

Outlook
Despite playing for a small team in a small conference, NBA scouts know exactly who Bobby Brown is and come to see him play on a regular basis.

Brown is widely expected to test the waters this year to see where his draft stock lies. He’s without a doubt the type of player that will look great in private workouts as the emphasis on shooting, athleticism and one on one play is tailor made to his style of play.

As a late-bloomer who is still nowhere near being a complete player, Brown will have to consider the pros and cons of coming out early and potentially not getting a lot of minutes to develop or staying at Fullerton and continuing to hone his all-around game at a low-level without much talent around him.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Brown-561/

Doesn't really sound like they were really expected to be drafted. And I highly doubt you can compare a player like Kyle Visser and Zabian Dowdell to a player like Dorsey. Don't you see the difference in the strength, athleticism, and rebounding?

But it's ok, Dorsey will be drafted this spring, in the early to mid second round, and if he's not then I give you permission to bump this thread so I can eat crow.

I would just like you to find something for me that even hints at the chance of Dorsey not getting drafted instead of just telling me so.</div>

I'm telling you my opinion of Joey Dorsey. My opinion of him is formed by watching him play. Except for players that I don't get a chance to watch much of, I don't rely on the typed words of others to form my opinion. That isn't to say certain people's opinions that I value won't influence me, but that is a pretty limited group of people.

Dorsey has several things working against him when it comes to getting drafted. The first is his age, the second is his lack of upside and the third is lack of domination. Last year when Al Thornton was drafted as an older player, he at least had a track record of not only improving year to year, but of dominating and carrying his team.

Now those factors when mixed with the large number of players declaring for the draft push him into the middle of the second round. Once in the middle of the second round, the draft becomes very difficult to predict because lots of teams will go for Euro stashes and then look for guys as undrafted free agents.

Back to Shakur, the information you are quoting is not from this time last year. It was written before the 2006 draft. Here is some information from January 2007

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NCAA-W...-Part-One-1510/
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Up until now we’ve been slow to point out the terrific season Shakur is having because of some healthy skepticism as to whether he’d actually keep it up. That has a lot to do with the incredible inconsistency he showed in his first three years at Arizona, and the major question marks we had about his basketball IQ and overall focus. He seems to be answering them so far with flying colors, but we’re only now entering the real meat of the season, so he can’t let up yet. If he keeps playing the way he has so far into the NCAA Tournament, it’s going to be hard to see him falling out of the first round when it’s all said and done. That’s still a long ways away, though.</div>

While all four players that I mentioned are different than Dorsey, the draft isn't just about production in college. It is about projecting upside and NBA success.

Now there are a couple of draft picks from the last draft that give some hope to Dorsey getting picked in the second round. Chris Richards was selected #41, however, that was done purely to give Corey Brewer a buddy in Minnesota. 24 year old Stephane Lasme was selected
#46 and Aaron Gray was selected #49. That is the range Dorsey is looking at, but none of those guys had attitude problems.
</div>


fair enough. I respect your opinion. I guess we'll have to wait until June to settle this one.

 

[Carter15Nets]

If we draft Kevin Love I will never watch this team again

This guy has bust written all over him, hes not even good I don't think the word bust should be used.

Try to use #10 and #21 to move up to #7 and draft Eric Gordon (Bucks have Redd)

 

[cpawfan]

Joey Dorsey measured in at 6' 6.25" without shoes with a standing reach of 8' 11"

His vertical jumps were lower than Kevin Love's and he wasn't the strongest guy at the camp.