OT It's time to get serious about Portland's traffic (Guest opinion

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SlyPokerDog said:
And then the ramps onto the Ross Island bridge, holy fuck that just sucks.

Waze did show me a way onto it using suicide bridge and cutting thru some neighborhoods that is pretty slick.
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Or the one lane from Front onto the Hawthorne.

The whole fucking city is still set up for a small population. It gridlocks starting at like 3:30/4:00 pm.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's not what I'm saying.

One lane goes to I-405 north.

One lane goes to downtown.

One lane goes to I-405 south.

It's a HORRIBLE setup, and 26 is a parking lot most of the day because of it.
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Ah, sorry for the misreading.
Agreed it's a problem, but there is a simpler solution than blasting another 3 lanes of tunnel.
Force people to choose a lane much earlier. If you separated the lanes up near Sylvan instead of right at the exits, you wouldn't have the jams due to assholes trying to cut in at the last minute. You could first split the lanes 2+2, then split one of the two sections again a mile later.

barfo
 
SlyPokerDog said:
And then the ramps onto the Ross Island bridge, holy fuck that just sucks.

Waze did show me a way onto it using suicide bridge and cutting thru some neighborhoods that is pretty slick.
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Vista bridge? Or some other suicide bridge?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Ah, sorry for the misreading.
Agreed it's a problem, but there is a simpler solution than blasting another 3 lanes of tunnel.
Force people to choose a lane much earlier. If you separated the lanes up near Sylvan instead of right at the exits, you wouldn't have the jams due to assholes trying to cut in at the last minute. You could first split the lanes 2+2, then split one of the two sections again a mile later.

barfo
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Eh, they'll still do it. I usually get off at the downtown exit.... where nobody else seems to get off, and people still cut over across the solid white line. I don't think making people choose earlier will make any difference. It's just too many people trying to use one lane.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Eh, they'll still do it. I usually get off at the downtown exit.... where nobody else seems to get off, and people still cut over across the solid white line. I don't think making people choose earlier will make any difference. It's just too many people trying to use one lane.
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I'm not talking about solid white lines, I'm talking about physical barriers.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I'm not talking about solid white lines, I'm talking about physical barriers.

barfo
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That might work... hard to say. I still think it should be at least two lanes each for the 405 exits.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Fuck.That.Hard.In.The.Asphalt.



When was 205 completed? 1983 or 4? That's the last new freeway that I can recall being constructed in the Portland metro area. How about we build some new freeways instead of claiming that won't work. Here's an even better idea, lets widen fucking I-5 in downtown Portland from 2 lanes in each direction. 2 fucking lanes. Biggest cluster fuck in the city.
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I love how the big attraction of the city (moda center) is right where it goes to two lanes lol bright city planners
 
barfo said:
Well, I understand that point of view, of course. But taxing you for using the freeway WILL improve the situation - because some fraction of you won't want to pay the tax.

It's not a great solution - it's a very regressive tax. But building more freeways is not a great solution either. In fact in many ways it's an awful solution.

barfo
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You really think taxing will solver the problem?

How about we spend the existing tax money allotted for road improvement and use that money to improve our roads?
The suggestion to tax us even more and still not improve anything when we already pay taxes that are supposed to provide funding to the DOT, is crazy.
 
If a tax is the answer, impose a hefty fee on new residents via vehicle registrations and drivers licenses. Make newbies pay for the stresses they cause by moving here......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
If a tax is the answer, impose a hefty fee on new residents via vehicle registrations and drivers licenses. Make newbies pay for the stresses they cause by moving here......
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I'd be totally in favor of that :) but it won't solve the congestion problem, unless the fee is so high that it keeps people from moving here. And if it was, they'd just drive w/o license/registration.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
You really think taxing will solver the problem?

How about we spend the existing tax money allotted for road improvement and use that money to improve our roads?
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How much money is that? I have no idea, but I doubt it is enough to do much.

The suggestion to tax us even more and still not improve anything when we already pay taxes that are supposed to provide funding to the DOT, is crazy.
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Well, the alternative is to tax you even more than that and use the proceeds to start a project that won't be completed for 10 years or so.

And it's hard to improve roads without making them worse during construction.

barfo
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I recently got back from a month long road trip around a large part of America. It honest to God seemed like any city of any size in virtually every state I drove through had freeway construction or freeway upgrades going on. Miles upon miles upon miles of it. Even many of the smaller towns along the interstates were upgrading ramps and access points. I literally saw no light rail projects and I have to wonder if other states even know what a bike lane is. There's billions of tax dollars being spent around this country on roads and highways......except in Oregon. And many of these states are chronically listed as some of the poorest, most economically disadvantaged states in the country. Sly is correct. Our "smarter than us" state government is hellbent on forcing Oregonians to use mass transit and bicycles despite strong evidence it is not wanted. What a waste of time and money.......and look where it got us.
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On the other side of the view, on Stanton Island NY, they have a tradition of always repairing the same road for eternity. The interesting part is that this Inter State has two sides of waste dumps for scenic effect.
 
So wait a minute.....I thought "taxes on the rich" was supposed to solve things like this?

Now Democrats LITERALLY want to take money out of my pocket just to travel to that hell hole?

And this will solve the traffic crisis.....how, exactly?

Anyone who looks at the miles of traffic on the Interstates every morning and evening at rush hour.....and thinks that Toll Booths would fit in nicely is a fucking moron. If you thought the Interstates were crowded now....try waiting for an extra hour in a line with a thousand vehicles in it just to pay a toll.
 
Jade Falcon said:
So wait a minute.....I thought "taxes on the rich" was supposed to solve things like this?

Now Democrats LITERALLY want to take money out of my pocket just to travel to that hell hole?

And this will solve the traffic crisis.....how, exactly?

Anyone who looks at the miles of traffic on the Interstates every morning and evening at rush hour.....and thinks that Toll Booths would fit in nicely is a fucking moron. If you thought the Interstates were crowded now....try waiting for an extra hour in a line with a thousand vehicles in it just to pay a toll.
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1. Yes, we do want to take money out of your pocket if you want to come here and clog up our freeways. So maybe you should just stay home and save some cash.
2. This will help reduce the traffic crisis (not solve) by convincing some people to not drive.
3. Electronic tolling. Stopping at a toll booth isn't required.

barfo
 
barfo said:
1. Yes, we do want to take money out of your pocket if you want to come here and clog up our freeways. So maybe you should just stay home and save some cash.
2. This will help reduce the traffic crisis (not solve) by convincing some people to not drive.
3. Electronic tolling. Stopping at a toll booth isn't required.

barfo
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Holy shit. I agree with @barfo for once.
 
barfo said:
1. Yes, we do want to take money out of your pocket if you want to come here and clog up our freeways. So maybe you should just stay home and save some cash.
2. This will help reduce the traffic crisis (not solve) by convincing some people to not drive.
3. Electronic tolling. Stopping at a toll booth isn't required.

barfo
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1) I already do.
2) Only a moron believes this. 98% of the people in this country are independent folks who like driving themselves.
3) Oh good. So I don't have to pay. Awesome.
 
I don't even feel a little bit bad for Vancouverites. They can easily find a job in their state if they are that upset about it.
 
barfo said:
1. Yes, we do want to take money out of your pocket if you want to come here and clog up our freeways. So maybe you should just stay home and save some cash.
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A gorilla goes into a bar and orders a martini. This totally amazes the bartender, but he thinks, "What the heck, I guess I might as well make the drink." So he mixes the martini. He then walks back over to the give it to the gorilla, and the animal is holding out a twenty-dollar bill. Well, now the bartender is just at a loss for words. He can't believe that a gorilla walked into his bar, ordered a martini, and then actually had a twenty-dollar bill to pay for it.

So, in amazement, he takes the twenty and walks to the cash register to make the change. While he's standing in front of the cash register he stops for a second and thinks to himself, "Let me try something here and see if the gorilla notices anything."

So he walks back over to the gorilla and hands him a dollar change. The gorilla doesn't say anything, he just sits there sipping the martini. After a few minutes the bartender just can't take it anymore.

"You know," he says to the gorilla, "we don't get too many gorillas in here."

And the gorilla says, "At nineteen dollars a drink I'm not surprised."
 
Wait a minute....CENTRAL Vancouver has the nicest places? LMAO, not even close, Sly. There are way nicer places in East Vancouver. And many down on the waterfront.
 
So I guess the next step for Democrats, when they realize that this tolling doesn't work and had little, if any, effect on Portland's traffic is to charge a Congestion Fee much like London does.

We'll see just how tolerant of Democrats the Prius-driving Liberals of Portland are then.

And when they finally realize that it's actually the population numbers of Portland that are rising and effecting the traffic....what then?

I guess they'll just find another tax. Seems to be their answer for everything.
 
Jade Falcon said:
So I guess the next step for Democrats, when they realize that this tolling doesn't work and had little, if any, effect on Portland's traffic is to charge a Congestion Fee much like London does.

We'll see just how tolerant of Democrats the Prius-driving Liberals of Portland are then.

And when they finally realize that it's actually the population numbers of Portland that are rising and effecting the traffic....what then?

I guess they'll just find another tax. Seems to be their answer for everything.
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For the additional taxes of course.
 
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