J.R. Smith Is A Fearless Beast!

[BlayZa]

i like the dude

 

[PapaG]

He has to first miss the shots for that theory to hold... He's had three recent games totaling 22 made 3's, if memory serves, all on very high percentage shooting.

JR Smith 3 pt last five games

7-14
3-9
1-3
2-8
11-18

He's all over the place even recently.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think he's stupid, he's just what someone once termed a "shotter" (not misspelled). He fires up shots, including ill-advised ones, and has the ability to make really difficult shots. He also has the ability to miss over and over without conscience.

He and Travis Outlaw are basically very similar types of players.

 

[PapaG]

I don't think he's stupid, he's just what someone once termed a "shotter" (not misspelled). He fires up shots, including ill-advised ones, and has the ability to make really difficult shots. He also has the ability to miss over and over without conscience.

He and Travis Outlaw are basically very similar types of players.

Except that Outlaw has proven to be somewhat coachable; Smith seems to just fire at will. Not sure if that's good or bad, however.

 

[mook]

I don't think he's stupid, he's just what someone once termed a "shotter" (not misspelled). He fires up shots, including ill-advised ones, and has the ability to make really difficult shots. He also has the ability to miss over and over without conscience.

He and Travis Outlaw are basically very similar types of players.

Yep:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jr_smith/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/travis_outlaw/index.html
Smith scores a little more, but also turns it over a little more. Otherwise, just about as close to duplicate statistics as you get in the NBA. You see more variation by the same player year-to-year.

The guy already shoots 40% from three. Imagine how good Smith would be if he had any judgment.

Anyway, Karl should ride the snake as far as he can with Smith.

 

[ABM]

Except that Outlaw has proven to be somewhat coachable.

Travis still loves to shoot, though.

"My shot just feels off. But I'm glad it's happening now and not in the playoffs. And you know me, that ain't going to stop me from shooting.''

 

[hasoos]

I don't think he's stupid, he's just what someone once termed a "shotter" (not misspelled). He fires up shots, including ill-advised ones, and has the ability to make really difficult shots. He also has the ability to miss over and over without conscience.

He and Travis Outlaw are basically very similar types of players.

Really? Then how can you explain the ill timed technical fouls all the time that he committs? JR Smith has been known for his whole career for being one of those guys that backs up a mistake with an even worse mistake. The reason is he plays with his emotions, and often times lets those get the best of him. Sometimes they take him to plateu like his big night. Most of the time they take him to a seat on the bench when Karl gets sick of his bullshit.

 

[esperanzafleet6969]

i think jr smith is a fine player and could be pretty good if it werent for george karl.... karl putting his doubts into him have probably given a huge lack of confidence..... plus with a team that jr has been on for the last few years (not counting this one) what did they have to lose by letting him do whatever he wants... except for the chance that he would have gotten better..... george karl is a terrible coach

 

[Minstrel]

Really? Then how can you explain the ill timed technical fouls all the time that he committs?

JR Smith is in a million-way tie for 42nd in the NBA in technical fouls, with 5. He doesn't commit "ill-timed technical fouls all the time." He may have had a few, but that hardly makes him stupid. A bit out-of-control occasionally, perhaps, but I think you're exaggerating greatly based on perhaps seeing a silly tech by him a couple of times.

Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Brad Miller are among the league leaders in technical fouls and I wouldn't say they're remotely stupid.

 

[Natebishop3]

JR Smith is in a million-way tie for 42nd in the NBA in technical fouls, with 5. He doesn't commit "ill-timed technical fouls all the time." He may have had a few, but that hardly makes him stupid. A bit out-of-control occasionally, perhaps, but I think you're exaggerating greatly based on perhaps seeing a silly tech by him a couple of times.

Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Brad Miller are among the league leaders in technical fouls and I wouldn't say they're remotely stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[STOMP]

OK, then....let me ask you a question. Be honest, please:

Let's say the Hawks hadn't traded Rasheed to Detroit. Think that particular streak would have still been intact?

how about instead you provide one single quote of a current or former coach of his blasting him, after all you're the one claiming he strikes fear in them. Otherwise you've got nothing but the same tired pots shots. I can provide tons of quotes those former coaches of his lavishing praise on him... hell, his current GM is on record saying he has all the makings of a great coach himself.

If you enjoy still enjoy this rut, PM you know who and have at it in private, but the rest of us have moved on.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

I don't think he's stupid, he's just what someone once termed a "shotter" (not misspelled). He fires up shots, including ill-advised ones, and has the ability to make really difficult shots. He also has the ability to miss over and over without conscience.

He and Travis Outlaw are basically very similar types of players.

I like have a player or two without a conscience, especially wing players. If they aren't on for a particular night coach can yank them and try someone else, but I believe in the power of the green light especially off the bench. A confident guy who can get his shot and is capable of filling it up is a powerful weapon.

STOMP

 

[Minstrel]

I like have a player or two without a conscience, especially wing players. If they aren't on for a particular night coach can yank them and try someone else, but I believe in the power of the green light especially off the bench. A confident guy who can get his shot and is capable of filling it up is a powerful weapon.

I agree. I think Outlaw is a valuable player. As would JR Smith be.

 

[ABM]

how about instead you provide one single quote of a current or former coach of his blasting him, after all you're the one claiming he strikes fear in them. Otherwise you've got nothing but the same tired pots shots. I can provide tons of quotes those former coaches of his lavishing praise on him... hell, his current GM is on record saying he has all the makings of a great coach himself.

If you enjoy still enjoy this rut, PM you know who and have at it in private, but the rest of us have moved on.

STOMP

You're kidding, right?

Here's what was said:

Originally Posted by Wizard Mentor
J. R. Smith induces fear in his opponents.....

but he also induces fear in his coaches.

Here was my simple response:

cough*rasheed*cough

I'd say it was a factual example. No more, no less.

Then, you took it to another level....going on about how Rasheed had been to the playoffs umpteen years straight. I, then, simply asked you if you thought that would have happened had he stayed with the Hawks. Easy enough of a question.....the point of that being that Rasheed has been "blessed" to be on good to very good teams. Again, no more, no less. Good for him.

That said, though, trust me, I've moved on.....I've moved on.

 

[STOMP]

That said, though, trust me, I've moved on.....I've moved on.

right... but you've not moved on enough to let this tired crap alone. What carries more weight, actions or words? Many here think RW was a Blazer great and appreciated the winning days of that era. If you've moved on, why not act like it and not bring up this tired back and forth for the umpteenth time? What is it?

STOMP

 

[ABM]

right... but you've not moved on enough to let this tired crap alone. What carries more weight, actions or words? Many here think RW was a Blazer great and appreciated the winning days of that era. If you've moved on, why not act like it and not bring up this tired back and forth for the umpteenth time? What is it?

STOMP

Dude, he was purely an example I brought up as someone who was talented, yet had difficulties with coaches. Totally on-topic with what had been said, above. I didn't trot-out Wallace's name arbitrarily.


OK, OK, you wanted an example..I did a brief - again, brief - search and did come up with this...

Reports are circulating that Flip Saunders will return as coach of the Detroit Pistons. However, Sherrod Blakely, of Michigan Live, reports that something was off at the team’s end of season meeting on Monday:

I’ve been covering this team since 2000, and have been at every one of their season-ending pow-wows just before the players head off to parts unknown, for the summer.

But this one was unlike any I had seen before.

For starters, head coach Flip Saunders pulled out of the parking lot just a few minutes after all the players arrived. Usually coaches linger around for these things. There are plenty of plausible reasons for his early departure. He might have had a flight to catch, or some other pressing appointment. The conclusion some wanted to reach was that maybe he was fired and replaced by assistant Terry Porter. However, it appears Saunders job is safe … for now.

Speaking of Porter, he reiterated that despite some reports to the contrary, he has not pulled his name out of the running for any head coaching job. “I’m trying to put it in, not take it out,” quipped Porter this morning. He is still considered a leading candidate for the Sacramento Kings job, although an opportunity to coach the Pistons would be more appealing.

My Quick Take: Saunders will return as Detroit’s sideline boss. The Pistons won’t fire him in the summer like they did with Rick Carlisle because no Hall of Fame coach is waiting in the wings-unless they rehire Larry Brown, of course. And I’m willing to bet that won’t happen.

Keeping Saunders puts Motown in an interesting predicament. Rasheed Wallace, Detroit’s temperamental forward, does not respect Saunders.

So does bringing back Saunders mean the Pistons will trade Sheed?

Yes, one of these two has to go. And Saunders’ return has led to Wallace’s name being included in trade rumors.

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/d...eed-wallace-on-the-trading-block-ar43964.html

 

[PapaG]

Dude, he was purely an example I brought up as someone who was talented, yet had difficulties with coaches. Totally on-topic with what had been said, above. I didn't trot-out Wallace's name arbitrarily.


OK, OK, you wanted an example..I did a brief - again, brief - search and did come up with this...



http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/d...eed-wallace-on-the-trading-block-ar43964.html

Saunders leaves, Wallace stays, Detroit now stinks.

Coincidence?

 

[Masbee]

I agree. I think Outlaw is a valuable player. As would JR Smith be.

Except JR Smith is now better than Outlaw. And he has range that extends out well past the three point line. JR Smith spreads the floor about as well as anyone in the NBA. Very valuable.

 

[STOMP]

Dude, he was purely an example I brought up as someone who was talented, yet had difficulties with coaches. Totally on-topic with what had been said, above. I didn't trot-out Wallace's name arbitrarily.

OK, OK, you wanted an example..I did a brief - again, brief - search and did come up with this...

no I wanted (and asked) for a quote from a coach... we've had the Canzano's speculating for years but the principles tell a different story.

it seems you've got nothing

STOMP

 

[ABM]

no I wanted (and asked) for a quote from a coach... we've had the Canzano's speculating for years but the principles tell a different story.

it seems you've got nothing

STOMP

Of course I've got nothing, What coach in their right mind is gonna call out his own player to the media?? Yeesh, so much for giving an example of someone so near and dear to your heart.

It's all good, though, STOMP. As David Lee Roth once said, it's all water under the dam..

 

[handiman]

Of course I've got nothing, What coach in their right mind is gonna call out his own player to the media??

Phil Jackson. Jerry Sloan. George Karl.

 

[PapaG]

Phil Jackson. Jerry Sloan. George Karl.

They never had Rasheed Wallace on their team.

 

[mook]

Of course I've got nothing, What coach in their right mind is gonna call out his own player to the media??

Phil Jackson has called out Kobe, Shaq, Rodman, Pippen, Rider...hell, is there anybody he hasn't thrown under the bus? (Including Bus.)

What coach hasn't at some point publicly bitched about Iverson or Bonzi or Marbury or Rider?

If I were coaching Sheed and I had a problem with him, I doubt I'd go to the media. Mostly because Sheed has "circle of trust" issues (aka, Robert DeNiro in Meet The Parents).

But it's not like it's a coaching no-no to publicly call out a player to the media. Coaches have so little actual power that it can be a way to at least cover your ass, if not actually improve a situation with a player.

 

[ABM]

Phil Jackson has called out Kobe, Shaq, Rodman, Pippen, Rider...hell, is there anybody he hasn't thrown under the bus? (Including Bus.)

What coach hasn't at some point publicly bitched about Iverson or Bonzi or Marbury or Rider?

If I were coaching Sheed and I had a problem with him, I doubt I'd go to the media. Mostly because Sheed has "circle of trust" issues (aka, Robert DeNiro in Meet The Parents).

But it's not like it's a coaching no-no to publicly call out a player to the media. Coaches have so little actual power that it can be a way to at least cover your ass, if not actually improve a situation with a player.

OK! OK! I freakin' stand corrected!

All I was really trying to say, though, is that, like J.R. Smith, Rasheed is a tremendous talent...who can also drive his coach(es) a bit nuts at times. I mean, really, is there any real argument there? It wasn't necessarily a dig at Rasheed as much as it was simply stating a truism within the context of this thread.

 

[STOMP]

They never had Rasheed Wallace on their team.

actually Phil has said that he fears Sheed because of what he can do to bust up the Laker zone D.

Larry Brown feared Wallace so much that after consulting with his brother Herb (who was a Blazer assistant coach before moving on to the Pistons), he urged management to trade for him... and then he won a championship.

but what do HOF coaches know?

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

actually Phil has said that he fears Sheed because of what he can do to bust up the Laker zone D.

Larry Brown feared Wallace so much that after consulting with his brother Herb (who was a Blazer assistant coach before moving on to the Pistons), he urged management to trade for him... and then he won a championship.

but what do HOF coaches know?

STOMP

That has nothing to do with those coaches not calling out Rasheed in the media, which was my point.

 

[STOMP]

That has nothing to do with those coaches not calling out Rasheed in the media, which was my point.

my point was that fans projecting their speculations as fact should expect to be called on it, and that this same tired discussion has been had so many times it's obnoxious to bring it up yet again.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

Of course I've got nothing, What coach in their right mind is gonna call out his own player to the media?? Yeesh, so much for giving an example of someone so near and dear to your heart.

thanks for proving you're too blinded by hate to be rational

It's all good, though, STOMP. As David Lee Roth once said, it's all water under the dam..

super awesome having this chat with you buddy

STOMP

 

[Da_O]

Sweet fancy Moses... who's guarding him?

Rashad McCants?

Here's a little hint to the Kings, maybe make him drive once. Just a thought. Oh, but I forgot they are a fledgling team of lazy basketball players without pride.